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Traduzione e sottotitoli a cura di Calusca/COX18
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Questo documentario contiene materiale duro da vedere.
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Il 9 settembre 1971 i detenuti di Attica, a 400km da New York
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presero il controllo della prigione.
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Fu la più grande ribellione nelle carceri
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della storia degli Stati Uniti.
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Giovedi
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Il primo giorno.
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Qualcosa stava per accadere ad Attica.
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La popolazione era stanca.
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Stanca delle bugie, delle promesse.
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Eravamo stanchi.
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Qualcuno ha colpito una guardia.
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E la cosa poteva finire lì.
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Ma poi si è scatenato l’inferno.
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Sono all'infermeria,
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e cominciano a suonare le sirene.
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“Che diavolo sta succedendo?”
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Ero sotto la doccia.
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Sono uscito, fradicio,
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e il posto stava impazzendo.
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All’improvviso,
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ho visto aprirsi la porta dell'infermeria aprirsi
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e ho visto gente correre ovunque
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con grossi tubi e coltelli
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E di colpo tutti stavano correndo
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E poi si cominciarono a vedere
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gente che schiacciava la faccia
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attraverso le finestre rotte
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gridando: "Prendi le guardie! Prendi le chiavi!"
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c'erano guardie che venivano picchiate.
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Chiunque del personale ti fosse caduto fra le mani
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l’avresti picchiato.
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Ecco la mia occasione per
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combattere chi mi ha picchiato,
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perché ora sto insieme
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a un sacco di assassini.
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Noi contro di loro.
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Mi ci son buttato subito
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senza pianificare niente.
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Non ero il tipo da pensare.
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Stavo prendendo a calci la polizia.
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Mi son sentito bene.
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Sarebbe finita lì,
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perché erano in un’area confinata, i blocchi lucchettati
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la piazzetta (Times Square) era chiusa
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ma i prigionieri sono tornati indietro
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e cominciano a strattonare il cancello
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I quattro blocchi si incontrano a Times Square
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è il punto d'incontro, per come è fatta la prigione,
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Times Square è il centro, della prigione
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La mattina della rivolta,
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mio padre era a Times Square.
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Aveva le chiavi di tutte le porte
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e sfortunatamente,
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i detenuti nel tunnel continuavano a spingere
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quella porta, e gridavano
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a mio padre: Apri la porta!
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E Quinn è saltato su tipo: "oh ma questa è.."
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e ha azionato l'allarme
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il corno che fa così: aahhoo
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E hanno cominciato a battere e battere sul cancello.
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All’insaputa di tutti
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uno dei cardini era stato
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saldato provvisoriamente
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durante le ristrutturazioni degli anni '30
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e si è rotto.
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Il lucchetto è saltato,
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e tutti si son precipitati fuori. Boom.
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Quando la porta è caduta, hanno attaccato mio padre
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e gli han preso le chiavi
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e hanno avuto così accesso a tutte le porte
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di Times square
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È stato picchiato molto duramente.
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Torno indietro e metto due dita sul collo di Quinn.
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Sentivo il battito, ma era molto debole.
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Tipo una pulsazione,
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e dopo un minuto o due,
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un'altra pulsazione
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Alcuni detenuti conoscevano mio padre,
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quattro musulmani han portato
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un materasso dal blocco A
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l'hanno messo sul materasso
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e l’hanno portato via da Times Square
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dicendo di avere una guardia
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gravemente ferita
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e bisognosa di soccorso medico.
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A un certo punto è arrivata un’ambulanza.
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Nel frattempo, mia madre
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era stata informata del ferimento di mio padre.
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Presero le chiavi a Quinn,
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e hanno aperto tutti e quattro i lati
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e han detto: “C’abbiamo il manico”.
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“C’abbiamo il manico!”
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Abbiamo preso ogni blocco del complesso.
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L’abbiamo preso,
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ma non potevamo tenerlo
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Quindi ci siamo ritirati nel blocco D.
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Il posto sta esplodendo.
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Fumo da cinque edifici,
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La cappella e la lavanderia
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sono in fiamme.
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Avevamo sotto controllo solo il cortile.
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Loro controllavano il sistema,
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e i cancelli.
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e le porte, e i passaggi.
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Erano sui marciapiedi con le pistole.
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da dove possono vederti.
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Ora faccio una panoramica
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del blocco B
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riprendendo un gruppo
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sul tetto del blocco C.
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right
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Ora si vedono il cortile
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e il blocco D.
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Adesso uso il telescopio
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del fucile .270.
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sono brutti e sono neri,
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il più nero gentiluomo negro
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che abbia mai visto in vita mia.
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Sapevamo che erano
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là fuori sulle passerelle.
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Posizionati
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in un certo modo..
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Anche se sapevi che erano lì,
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loro si mettevano in modo
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da non farsi vedere.
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I prigionieri, perlopiù, si sono travisati
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con sciarpe, asciugamani, per nascondere la faccia.
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Era un modo per celare
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la tua identità, e non esporla,
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e se gli sbirri fossero entrati,
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sai, tu eri protetto.
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O pensavi di esserlo.
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In Attica, New York,
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today rioted and they gained control
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Indian hostages to keep the police coming
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getting into the area
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where the 21 hostages are being held
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here in that main group room
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have taken their clothing away
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They were blindfolded in a circle
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in the middle of the yard.
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but understand that Islam
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was that you don't harm a captive,
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therefore.
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It was decided.
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To allow the Muslim brothers.
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To look out for them.
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I was so mad at them for not letting us
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get to the police
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because I wanted to put my hands
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someone I wanted to get wanted
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to give them a very fuck them up.
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These are the same politicians
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talking down to me,
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dirty to me and tell me, get over it.
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So I said, Yeah, now
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what do you think about me now?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And the good thing that the Muslims just
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did because London police would have been
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on video.
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It's hard for somebody that
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has never been incarcerated
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to understand how surreal
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everything is at this point in time,
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we nobody threatening us.
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We had, you know, it sounds crazy,
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but it was when you had it a little bit,
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even this much control over your own life,
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even for a short period.
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You know, it's going to cost you,
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you know, in spades.
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150
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You know,
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it was a moment of exuberance. Of.
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Somehow doing something
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to have some control over your own life,
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you do it up,
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153
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don't lose.
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154
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When you first got out,
|
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there was totally just gave it up.
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155
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Guys are coming up.
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156
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Food, clothing, setting up tents.
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157
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Oh, it's a festive time.
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158
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We, we're free.
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We came together as a community,
|
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160
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and that's when there was no such thing
|
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|
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161
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as black, white, Hispanic,
|
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whatever it was about.
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162
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We are inmates
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and we
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164
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need to be able to survive
|
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whatever's going on.
|
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165
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Oh, good.
|
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166
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Come on, buddy.
|
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167
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So we're you
|
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168
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to have, you know, what is it
|
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169
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|
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we did about it?
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170
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We die.
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Got we.
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172
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The guys that had been to Vietnam,
|
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173
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they said, let's make Hutchins,
|
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174
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who draws of ten kids,
|
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175
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took a stick
|
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and put a sheet over all of that,
|
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|
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|
176
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and I was just sleeping quarters
|
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177
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by the time guys started
|
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178
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having to go to the bathroom.
|
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179
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There was none will work
|
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180
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00:11:36,180 --> 00:11:39,770
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the crowd that had been to Vietnam
|
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and been in the army, they said.
|
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181
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We got to make that a train.
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182
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They knew the latrine was.
|
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183
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I don't know what all the training was.
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I'll give you a lap.
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185
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All right. All right.
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Okay. I got to speak.
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There was his
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188
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brother
|
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189
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and I said, Brother, he was white.
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190
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They call him tiny.
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191
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00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,510
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And he was like a nurse
|
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|
before the article, before you happened
|
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|
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192
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to set up a medical section of New York.
|
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193
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For anybody who had any problems to go
|
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and in time you would take him
|
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194
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and the medical attention in your eye
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195
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was much better than the medical tent
|
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you got throughout the years.
|
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196
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Oh, and he had a good time.
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197
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He was making wine
|
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and cooking food outside.
|
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198
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It was like a big picnic,
|
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like a chanty town.
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199
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You know, like that would belong.
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200
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When in Buffalo Bill was out there,
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201
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have you ever watched Gunsmoke
|
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202
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the West?
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203
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Well, Matt, Matt Dillon
|
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was the show marshal at the Gunsmoke.
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He kept order
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205
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and we didn't have a map.
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206
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Every man was a law unto himself.
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207
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He did whatever the hell you want to do.
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208
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There was no order.
|
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209
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The assignment
|
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210
|
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editor says there's
|
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this place called Attica and there's
|
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211
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some prison riot up there
|
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and we want you to go up and do it.
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this morning, and we certainly don't
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circumstances, might you go inside?
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Might you go inside
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under some circumstances?
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I'll have to fill this out.
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They say that they only want to speak
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with the governor or me.
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that we are going to have to negotiate
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something
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to save the lives of the hostages
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because of the hostages that they have.
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using a loudspeaker on a bullhorn.
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there appears to be a large meeting
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going on in this area,
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although we can't hear anything from that
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section.
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That's right.
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decided that,
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you know, they're in a situation that,
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you know, that required man
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a little bit more focus,
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a little bit more discipline,
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how to combine the actual population.
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Who do you want to represent you? You
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mean we had elections, blah blah blah.
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That's where we got our leaders from.
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Hell.
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Now some guys have some juice in.
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They already.
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The guys that have been there, while
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all other inmates respected
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what they were saying made sense to most,
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everybody was in the yard.
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and they had a plan about making things
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different for the prison system itself.
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All we want is the basic necessities
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of being treated like human beings,
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even though we're in prison,
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we're human beings and stuff like that.
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The prisoners
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in the yard must have had a radio.
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They heard I was outside.
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So they ask for me to come in.
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I said, sure.
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And they then said
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we would like Commissioner
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Oswald to come in, and
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some of his assistant
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said, Don't go, don't go
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that you can't trust them.
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And Oswald said,
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Of course, I'm going to go in.
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We are glad to have someone
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from the administration
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point blank
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coming in and view it as fact, now
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we're making some kind of headway
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beginning here.
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We got some contact with somebody.
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We've got some negotiations for you
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listening to us.
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I've never heard of this before
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negotiating
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with inmates, and I just assume
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that this was going to be
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in a landmark moment in American history.
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I thought that this was going
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to be negotiated
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to a decent humanitarian end.
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It seems to be a little misunderstanding
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about why.
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This incident developed at Attica
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304
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in this declaration here
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will explain the reasons
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305
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the entire incident that has erupted
|
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here, Adam, is not a result.
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Well,
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in college towns and their factory towns,
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there's all kinds of towns in this country
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and this is Attica, New York.
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308
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It's a prison town.
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Most of the people
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in the village of Attica
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310
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make their living,
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working at the state prison
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311
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for 40 years.
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Most have lived within
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sight of the prison wall.
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They have never feared.
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314
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The village of Attica
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315
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was a great place to live was
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316
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very typical.
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I think small town
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318
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where you knew everyone,
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319
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you were related
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to probably half of the town.
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320
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We've ride our bikes through town,
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go to the park,
|
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|
|
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|
321
|
|||
|
00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:06,980
|
|||
|
we go swimming at the public pool,
|
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|
we go hiking up in the woods.
|
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|
|
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|
322
|
|||
|
00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:13,450
|
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|
Erica is a company town.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
323
|
|||
|
00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:18,200
|
|||
|
Many of the people who work there
|
|||
|
and have lived in our town
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
324
|
|||
|
00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:22,830
|
|||
|
worked as either civilian employees
|
|||
|
or corrections officers at Attica.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
325
|
|||
|
00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:27,920
|
|||
|
My grandfather worked there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
326
|
|||
|
00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:30,800
|
|||
|
My dad worked there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
327
|
|||
|
00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:32,590
|
|||
|
And between six or
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
328
|
|||
|
00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:36,340
|
|||
|
eight of the houses that were on
|
|||
|
our street had correctional officers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
329
|
|||
|
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:39,560
|
|||
|
or civilian individuals
|
|||
|
working in them with their families.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
330
|
|||
|
00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:46,730
|
|||
|
These were the only jobs in the area,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
331
|
|||
|
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,610
|
|||
|
dairy farming and the prisons.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
332
|
|||
|
00:20:50,610 --> 00:20:54,450
|
|||
|
So there was this culture clash
|
|||
|
that came together to Africa.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
333
|
|||
|
00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:56,990
|
|||
|
You had all white guards.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
334
|
|||
|
00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,990
|
|||
|
And a population of prisoners,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
335
|
|||
|
00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,580
|
|||
|
there was 70 or more percent
|
|||
|
black and brown.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
336
|
|||
|
00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,420
|
|||
|
What could go wrong?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
337
|
|||
|
00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:15,590
|
|||
|
And the reputation was called
|
|||
|
the last stop.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
338
|
|||
|
00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:18,680
|
|||
|
This was the most strict prison
|
|||
|
in the state of New York.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
339
|
|||
|
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,640
|
|||
|
It was known the word was dead
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
340
|
|||
|
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,850
|
|||
|
that when you got there,
|
|||
|
you knew where he was in for a hard place.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
341
|
|||
|
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,230
|
|||
|
Last place,
|
|||
|
the last place, Attica was the last place
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
342
|
|||
|
00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:29,690
|
|||
|
that was that was that that was last.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
343
|
|||
|
00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:32,610
|
|||
|
And you've got to really be there
|
|||
|
to see why
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
344
|
|||
|
00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,820
|
|||
|
there was no, no black guards in Attica.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
345
|
|||
|
00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:38,070
|
|||
|
There was no Spanish guards.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
346
|
|||
|
00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:41,990
|
|||
|
They were all white people, man
|
|||
|
that come from the local neighborhoods
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
347
|
|||
|
00:21:42,540 --> 00:21:46,290
|
|||
|
that don't know
|
|||
|
nothing about people who come from broken
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
348
|
|||
|
00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,920
|
|||
|
people who come from Manhattan,
|
|||
|
people who come from the Bronx.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
349
|
|||
|
00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:52,300
|
|||
|
They don't know
|
|||
|
nothing about this culture.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
350
|
|||
|
00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:55,720
|
|||
|
Most of
|
|||
|
them don't even want to talk to you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
351
|
|||
|
00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:57,180
|
|||
|
They're giving you just straight.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
352
|
|||
|
00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:58,800
|
|||
|
Don't talk to me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
353
|
|||
|
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,100
|
|||
|
And it was like that Don't talk to me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
354
|
|||
|
00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,470
|
|||
|
They were hit the state bar.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
355
|
|||
|
00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:04,770
|
|||
|
And this is a metal.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
356
|
|||
|
00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:07,310
|
|||
|
A metal tips that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
357
|
|||
|
00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:10,690
|
|||
|
And it rings out, but and you walk
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
358
|
|||
|
00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:13,860
|
|||
|
and then when they want you to stop,
|
|||
|
they said. But
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
359
|
|||
|
00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:16,950
|
|||
|
that was their communication.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
360
|
|||
|
00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:19,490
|
|||
|
The only thing was right was being right
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
361
|
|||
|
00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:21,700
|
|||
|
and I mean it in all sincerity
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
362
|
|||
|
00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,330
|
|||
|
where everybody was sort of like
|
|||
|
not so much mixing with other countries
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
363
|
|||
|
00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:27,910
|
|||
|
would stand together
|
|||
|
for the purpose of the.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
364
|
|||
|
00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,250
|
|||
|
Survival,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
365
|
|||
|
00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,960
|
|||
|
I was white, so I got the best jobs.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
366
|
|||
|
00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:36,970
|
|||
|
I was always given a little bit
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
367
|
|||
|
00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:40,720
|
|||
|
more leeway than the Blacks.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
368
|
|||
|
00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:45,020
|
|||
|
I can get an extra meal if I want to one
|
|||
|
because I was a white guy.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
369
|
|||
|
00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,270
|
|||
|
I'm a I'm a white guy, you know,
|
|||
|
give me a little extra.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
370
|
|||
|
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,810
|
|||
|
And I got it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
371
|
|||
|
00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:54,570
|
|||
|
I always was able to manipulate the system
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
372
|
|||
|
00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,110
|
|||
|
inside the prison
|
|||
|
because I was a white guy.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
373
|
|||
|
00:22:57,690 --> 00:23:01,450
|
|||
|
I'm almost ashamed to say
|
|||
|
that I took advantage of that back then,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
374
|
|||
|
00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,950
|
|||
|
but it was the only way to survive.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
375
|
|||
|
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:07,330
|
|||
|
It really, really was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
376
|
|||
|
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,670
|
|||
|
A roll of toilet
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
377
|
|||
|
00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:20,050
|
|||
|
paper would have to last you a month.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
378
|
|||
|
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,970
|
|||
|
You have to be a magician
|
|||
|
or tear up papers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
379
|
|||
|
00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:27,270
|
|||
|
out of the books and stuff like that
|
|||
|
to wipe your behind and stuff like that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
380
|
|||
|
00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:30,100
|
|||
|
Guys were complaining
|
|||
|
about basically things like toothpaste.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
381
|
|||
|
00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:32,810
|
|||
|
Toilet paper.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
382
|
|||
|
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,360
|
|||
|
A change of sheets.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
383
|
|||
|
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,320
|
|||
|
More than once a month.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
384
|
|||
|
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,400
|
|||
|
Things like digging clothes being cleaned.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
385
|
|||
|
00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:43,160
|
|||
|
Personal hygiene, things
|
|||
|
being treated like human beings.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
386
|
|||
|
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:49,120
|
|||
|
No school program, Atika, was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
387
|
|||
|
00:23:49,330 --> 00:23:51,830
|
|||
|
I can't describe it to me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
388
|
|||
|
00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:53,500
|
|||
|
It was dead.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
389
|
|||
|
00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:55,250
|
|||
|
It was just dead.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
390
|
|||
|
00:23:58,630 --> 00:24:01,300
|
|||
|
There was no religious freedom,
|
|||
|
particularly
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
391
|
|||
|
00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:03,930
|
|||
|
for the burgeoning Muslim movement.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
392
|
|||
|
00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:07,560
|
|||
|
They were denied the right to worship.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
393
|
|||
|
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:12,770
|
|||
|
They were fed pork because the prison
|
|||
|
also had a farm where they raised pigs.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
394
|
|||
|
00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:15,810
|
|||
|
So that's what you god.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
395
|
|||
|
00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:18,110
|
|||
|
If it isn't $0.60 a day,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
396
|
|||
|
00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:20,780
|
|||
|
so that's $0.24 a meal.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
397
|
|||
|
00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:24,320
|
|||
|
If saw money on $0.21.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
398
|
|||
|
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:26,740
|
|||
|
I swear to God,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
399
|
|||
|
00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:29,660
|
|||
|
one time I got my head opened up by God
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
400
|
|||
|
00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:32,620
|
|||
|
and I was put into a segregation cell.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
401
|
|||
|
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,880
|
|||
|
And a doctor came, you know,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
402
|
|||
|
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,920
|
|||
|
just out of I was bleeding all over.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
403
|
|||
|
00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:42,380
|
|||
|
So it's like they cracked my head wide
|
|||
|
open.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
404
|
|||
|
00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:47,010
|
|||
|
Put it over here,
|
|||
|
but they had a feeding hole in the cell.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
405
|
|||
|
00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:49,640
|
|||
|
And so I put it that he put a
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
406
|
|||
|
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,270
|
|||
|
flashlight like, I swear to God,
|
|||
|
he hit me with the flashlight.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
407
|
|||
|
00:24:54,020 --> 00:24:57,310
|
|||
|
Right, right where the cut was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
408
|
|||
|
00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:59,860
|
|||
|
And walked away.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
409
|
|||
|
00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:06,950
|
|||
|
They wait
|
|||
|
until everybody is locked up at night
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
410
|
|||
|
00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:09,870
|
|||
|
and then they come for you,
|
|||
|
come for you as a goose.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
411
|
|||
|
00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:15,960
|
|||
|
These are the beat up police.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
412
|
|||
|
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,210
|
|||
|
These two guys, they come nine, ten.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
413
|
|||
|
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,250
|
|||
|
Real big guys
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
414
|
|||
|
00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:25,630
|
|||
|
with real big sticks when they come in
|
|||
|
and they beat you up in your show
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
415
|
|||
|
00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:29,050
|
|||
|
and then they take, you say, gation
|
|||
|
and sometimes you don't come back.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
416
|
|||
|
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:30,930
|
|||
|
Attica was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
417
|
|||
|
00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:34,770
|
|||
|
It's.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
418
|
|||
|
00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,650
|
|||
|
Fear they they ran the prison would fear.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
419
|
|||
|
00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:44,570
|
|||
|
Being scared of them were their means
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
420
|
|||
|
00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:47,280
|
|||
|
of running a prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
421
|
|||
|
00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:53,200
|
|||
|
You either shut your mouth
|
|||
|
or you were in big trouble.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
422
|
|||
|
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,370
|
|||
|
Some people died.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
423
|
|||
|
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,670
|
|||
|
Somewhat crippled,
|
|||
|
somewhat psychologically damaged
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
424
|
|||
|
00:26:01,670 --> 00:26:05,630
|
|||
|
for life. And.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
425
|
|||
|
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,300
|
|||
|
It was a bad place to be.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
426
|
|||
|
00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:17,890
|
|||
|
They wanted to to institute
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
427
|
|||
|
00:26:17,890 --> 00:26:20,650
|
|||
|
and instill that fear
|
|||
|
and that they were in control,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
428
|
|||
|
00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,320
|
|||
|
even though they knew
|
|||
|
they were losing control.
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429
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00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,740
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My generation
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|
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|
430
|
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|
00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:30,240
|
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that came into Annika at that time,
|
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|
431
|
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|
00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:34,240
|
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we felt that we was in broken Malabar
|
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as we wasn't
|
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|
432
|
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|
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,460
|
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shuffling our feet,
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|
we would walk with our heads up high.
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|
433
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|
00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:39,920
|
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We would talk in our own lingo.
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434
|
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|
00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:41,250
|
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|
Who's your daddy?
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|
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|
435
|
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|
00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:43,000
|
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|
That's what we were going to take.
|
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|
|
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|
436
|
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|
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920
|
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|
Nothing from nobody.
|
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|
|
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|
437
|
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|
00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:47,340
|
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|
We want to respect.
|
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|
|
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|
438
|
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|
00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:50,680
|
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|
You had to give it to us,
|
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|
would you want to do or not?
|
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|
|
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|
439
|
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|
00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:54,220
|
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|
I'd read Algiers Cleaver Soul on Ice.
|
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|
|
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|
440
|
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|
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:59,390
|
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|
Huey Newton and, you know, the path of
|
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|
Piety and George Jackson story.
|
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|
|
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|
441
|
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|
00:26:59,390 --> 00:27:00,810
|
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|
I read all that stuff.
|
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|
|
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|
442
|
|||
|
00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:02,480
|
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|
George Jackson was revolutionary.
|
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|
|
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|
443
|
|||
|
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,820
|
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|
He's got to get busted for a ten dollar
|
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|
on gas station robbery and gang life.
|
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|
|
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|
444
|
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|
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,780
|
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|
He ended up in the system
|
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|
in the soul of the prison.
|
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|
|
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|
445
|
|||
|
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,330
|
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|
He showed us. And I mean us.
|
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|
|
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|
446
|
|||
|
00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:17,620
|
|||
|
The younger guys that came into Attica
|
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|
|
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|
447
|
|||
|
00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:21,540
|
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|
there was OK to say no.
|
|||
|
|
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|
448
|
|||
|
00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:24,170
|
|||
|
It was OK to be rebellious.
|
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|
|
|||
|
449
|
|||
|
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,630
|
|||
|
Understand
|
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|
they may be consequences to saying no.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
450
|
|||
|
00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:31,970
|
|||
|
But it was OK
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
451
|
|||
|
00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:35,010
|
|||
|
and it was uplifting, it was uplifting.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
452
|
|||
|
00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:39,430
|
|||
|
I think racism is a controlled
|
|||
|
of control would
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
453
|
|||
|
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:43,020
|
|||
|
create an atmosphere whereby then
|
|||
|
|
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|
454
|
|||
|
00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:48,280
|
|||
|
petroleum, of course, here in prison
|
|||
|
we see the repression
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
455
|
|||
|
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,570
|
|||
|
and the exploitation,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
456
|
|||
|
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:53,530
|
|||
|
the victimization of.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
457
|
|||
|
00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:56,490
|
|||
|
Lower class people's.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
458
|
|||
|
00:27:56,660 --> 00:27:59,660
|
|||
|
A lot of Black Panthers
|
|||
|
were coming to prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
459
|
|||
|
00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:03,170
|
|||
|
I started hanging out with them
|
|||
|
and they politicized me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
460
|
|||
|
00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:07,340
|
|||
|
The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense
|
|||
|
calls upon the American people in general
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
461
|
|||
|
00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:11,510
|
|||
|
and the black people in particular
|
|||
|
to take careful note of the racist.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
462
|
|||
|
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:15,220
|
|||
|
Police agencies throughout the country
|
|||
|
are intensifying the terror,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
463
|
|||
|
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:18,470
|
|||
|
brutality, murder
|
|||
|
and repression of black people.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
464
|
|||
|
00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:23,810
|
|||
|
Of course, you had black Muslims
|
|||
|
and his message to a black man really?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
465
|
|||
|
00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,320
|
|||
|
Well, a lot of guys that were in jail.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
466
|
|||
|
00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:29,190
|
|||
|
You want one thing?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
467
|
|||
|
00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,860
|
|||
|
We declare our right on this word
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
468
|
|||
|
00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:36,160
|
|||
|
to be a man, to be a human being,
|
|||
|
to be respected,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
469
|
|||
|
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,330
|
|||
|
every human being,
|
|||
|
to be given the rights of a human being
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
470
|
|||
|
00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:44,000
|
|||
|
in this society, on this Earth,
|
|||
|
and this day what we intend
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
471
|
|||
|
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,130
|
|||
|
to bring into existence
|
|||
|
by any means in the city.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
472
|
|||
|
00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:53,720
|
|||
|
Officials at
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
473
|
|||
|
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,970
|
|||
|
California's San Quentin
|
|||
|
Prison still are trying to piece together
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
474
|
|||
|
00:28:56,970 --> 00:29:00,680
|
|||
|
exactly what happened and how inmate
|
|||
|
attempted prison break yesterday,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
475
|
|||
|
00:29:00,970 --> 00:29:03,520
|
|||
|
in which three convicts and three guards
|
|||
|
died.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
476
|
|||
|
00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:07,480
|
|||
|
one of the dead convicts was George
|
|||
|
Jackson of the self-styled
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
477
|
|||
|
00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:10,190
|
|||
|
Soledad Brothers. Jackson was 29.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
478
|
|||
|
00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:12,820
|
|||
|
Joy Jackson was that final straw?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
479
|
|||
|
00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:14,200
|
|||
|
I don't give a fuck no more.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
480
|
|||
|
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,530
|
|||
|
You're going to kill us anyway.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
481
|
|||
|
00:29:15,530 --> 00:29:17,740
|
|||
|
We can't get out when it's fucking cage.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
482
|
|||
|
00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:18,950
|
|||
|
So where we're going.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
483
|
|||
|
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:21,660
|
|||
|
So if we're going to die,
|
|||
|
let's die as men.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
484
|
|||
|
00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,540
|
|||
|
And brother just got frustrated.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
485
|
|||
|
00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,290
|
|||
|
We'd go into the mess hall
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
486
|
|||
|
00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:31,880
|
|||
|
with a black band on Iran.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
487
|
|||
|
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,550
|
|||
|
And just sit there,
|
|||
|
take a spoon when you come in.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
488
|
|||
|
00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:36,880
|
|||
|
Take no food.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
489
|
|||
|
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,430
|
|||
|
We didn't speak.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
490
|
|||
|
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:42,390
|
|||
|
During the whole time,
|
|||
|
we didn't pick up any food.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
491
|
|||
|
00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,440
|
|||
|
That I think kind of alerted
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
492
|
|||
|
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,940
|
|||
|
the institution that we are in solidarity.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
493
|
|||
|
00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:52,190
|
|||
|
They're probably seen that type
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
494
|
|||
|
00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:55,030
|
|||
|
of solidarity before.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
495
|
|||
|
00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,790
|
|||
|
There was a lot of talk
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
496
|
|||
|
00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:05,960
|
|||
|
discussing the situation
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
497
|
|||
|
00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:10,130
|
|||
|
because the inmates were very upset
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
498
|
|||
|
00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:12,750
|
|||
|
and things were happening here
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
499
|
|||
|
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,510
|
|||
|
and there was great concern.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
500
|
|||
|
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,930
|
|||
|
It was a time bomb ready to blow,
|
|||
|
and we live with it
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
501
|
|||
|
00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:23,640
|
|||
|
every day in my house
|
|||
|
and every day I say goodbye to my dad.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
502
|
|||
|
00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:26,230
|
|||
|
And I knew it might be the last day
|
|||
|
I saw him.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
503
|
|||
|
00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:29,900
|
|||
|
It was open conversation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
504
|
|||
|
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:34,320
|
|||
|
Things were getting worse,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
505
|
|||
|
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,690
|
|||
|
and so they had a meeting
|
|||
|
with the administration
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
506
|
|||
|
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,240
|
|||
|
in the administration,
|
|||
|
essentially dismissed their concerns
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
507
|
|||
|
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:43,120
|
|||
|
and said everybody back to work.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
508
|
|||
|
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:46,040
|
|||
|
However, we think maybe it's a good idea
|
|||
|
if you left
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
509
|
|||
|
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,420
|
|||
|
your personal belongings at home
|
|||
|
like wedding rings, wallets, et cetera.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
510
|
|||
|
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,960
|
|||
|
So my father absolutely knew
|
|||
|
that something was going on.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
511
|
|||
|
00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:56,760
|
|||
|
I was having breakfast with him
|
|||
|
and he was talking to me,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
512
|
|||
|
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,380
|
|||
|
and I knew he was nervous.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
513
|
|||
|
00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,890
|
|||
|
When he said something's going to happen,
|
|||
|
he said, I just don't know what or when,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
514
|
|||
|
00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:03,810
|
|||
|
but I think I'll be OK.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
515
|
|||
|
00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:09,350
|
|||
|
There was a fight
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
516
|
|||
|
00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:12,560
|
|||
|
in a yard on September eighth,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
517
|
|||
|
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:15,820
|
|||
|
and the guards promised
|
|||
|
nothing would happen as a result of this
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
518
|
|||
|
00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:18,780
|
|||
|
because they could feel the tension
|
|||
|
building up.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
519
|
|||
|
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,530
|
|||
|
Then that night, they broke that promise.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
520
|
|||
|
00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:26,410
|
|||
|
They came and pulled them out of cells
|
|||
|
and about three or four of them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
521
|
|||
|
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,370
|
|||
|
And then.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
522
|
|||
|
00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,540
|
|||
|
He was thought to embarrass
|
|||
|
Barroso would have a glass.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
523
|
|||
|
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:37,170
|
|||
|
May have had or cans or whatever they may
|
|||
|
had, and it was a disturbance that dear.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
524
|
|||
|
00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:42,300
|
|||
|
So the inmates decided at that moment,
|
|||
|
Man, this is a man we tied.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
525
|
|||
|
00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:44,050
|
|||
|
I mean, they killed Josh Jackson.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
526
|
|||
|
00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:45,680
|
|||
|
They did this throughout the years.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
527
|
|||
|
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,390
|
|||
|
We tie, you know, and they they went off.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
528
|
|||
|
00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:01,110
|
|||
|
I was in school that day.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
529
|
|||
|
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,240
|
|||
|
And the whistle
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
530
|
|||
|
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240
|
|||
|
from the prison just kept going,
|
|||
|
and we could hear it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
531
|
|||
|
00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:09,620
|
|||
|
We got calls from somebody from the prison
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
532
|
|||
|
00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:12,160
|
|||
|
saying that your dad, you know,
|
|||
|
is definitely being held.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
533
|
|||
|
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960
|
|||
|
You know, I was scared,
|
|||
|
I was worried for my dad.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
534
|
|||
|
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,260
|
|||
|
I love my dad, but we didn't really
|
|||
|
know what was going on.
|
|||
|
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535
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00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:25,010
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Understanding about what?
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536
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00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:29,140
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This incident developing it added
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in this declaration here will explain
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537
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00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:34,190
|
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the reasons for the entire incident
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that has erupted here at Attica
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538
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00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,820
|
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is not a result of the dastardly
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bushwhacking of the two prisoners.
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539
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00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:44,660
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September eighth of 1970
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11 of the unmitigated oppression wrought
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540
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00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:48,450
|
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by the racist administrative network
|
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|
of this prison throughout the years.
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|
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|
541
|
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|
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,120
|
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We want the government to guarantee
|
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that there will be no reprisals
|
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542
|
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00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:57,380
|
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and we want all facets of the media
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|
to articulate this.
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543
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00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:00,960
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We needed the media in there
|
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because we needed
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544
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00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,260
|
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|
to let the world know what was happening.
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545
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|
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:08,390
|
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|
We know this is one of the turning points
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|
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|
546
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00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:10,350
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|
in the whole thing.
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|
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547
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|
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,560
|
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|
We would like the press to come in,
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|
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|
548
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|
00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,560
|
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|
including the television cameras
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|
|
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|
549
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|
00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:23,030
|
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|
that transformed everything.
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|
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|
550
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|
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:28,820
|
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|
Because now
|
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|
the prisoners had a worldwide audience.
|
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|
|
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|
551
|
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|
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,620
|
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|
Whatever happens here at Attica
|
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|
State Prison,
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|
|
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|
552
|
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|
00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:39,000
|
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|
I'm not sure how they heard
|
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|
that there was a black journalist outside
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|
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|
553
|
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|
00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,420
|
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|
that they wanted me to be
|
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|
|
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|
554
|
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|
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:45,550
|
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|
on the group that went in with us.
|
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|
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|
555
|
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|
00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:48,550
|
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|
Suddenly, I'm on in this group
|
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|
|
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|
556
|
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|
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,430
|
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|
going into the prison with this.
|
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|
|
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|
557
|
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|
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,430
|
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|
Head of the prison system.
|
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|
|
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|
558
|
|||
|
00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:58,480
|
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|
I was surprised
|
|||
|
that they had asked for me.
|
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|
|
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|
559
|
|||
|
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,320
|
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|
But I guess
|
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|
because of the fact that they had watched
|
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|
|
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|
560
|
|||
|
00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:07,410
|
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|
the news, my reports were factual
|
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|
|
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|
561
|
|||
|
00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:11,870
|
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|
and I was not taking anybody's side
|
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|
|
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|
562
|
|||
|
00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,290
|
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|
in the whole thing.
|
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|
|
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|
563
|
|||
|
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,540
|
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|
We went in
|
|||
|
|
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|
564
|
|||
|
00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:21,920
|
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|
and it was completely surreal,
|
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|
|
|||
|
565
|
|||
|
00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:26,340
|
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|
like, you're walking down a tunnel
|
|||
|
and suddenly
|
|||
|
|
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|
566
|
|||
|
00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:29,090
|
|||
|
you walk into this huge yard
|
|||
|
|
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|
567
|
|||
|
00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:34,680
|
|||
|
where there are men everywhere
|
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|
like thousands of men.
|
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|
|
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|
568
|
|||
|
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:37,560
|
|||
|
And I remember
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
569
|
|||
|
00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:40,310
|
|||
|
some people yelling, Hey, J.J..
|
|||
|
|
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|
570
|
|||
|
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:43,320
|
|||
|
I said hello to people
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
571
|
|||
|
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,150
|
|||
|
that I knew from Bed-Stuy and Harlem,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
572
|
|||
|
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,490
|
|||
|
and they were in Attica.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
573
|
|||
|
00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:55,490
|
|||
|
Once inside,
|
|||
|
we were brought along through the yard
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
574
|
|||
|
00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:59,040
|
|||
|
with a member of the inmate security force
|
|||
|
constantly at our side.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
575
|
|||
|
00:34:59,870 --> 00:35:02,250
|
|||
|
We were allowed to go
|
|||
|
where they told us to go.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
576
|
|||
|
00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:04,380
|
|||
|
We were all allowed to film.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
577
|
|||
|
00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,510
|
|||
|
Only one of the prisoners told us
|
|||
|
we could.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
578
|
|||
|
00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:10,180
|
|||
|
Inmates faces were covered
|
|||
|
so as to keep their identities secret.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
579
|
|||
|
00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:14,680
|
|||
|
Our first concern on entering was to learn
|
|||
|
how the hostages
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
580
|
|||
|
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,730
|
|||
|
were going to see the hostages, but
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
581
|
|||
|
00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:20,190
|
|||
|
I was able to ask.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
582
|
|||
|
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:24,150
|
|||
|
one question before I was moved
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
583
|
|||
|
00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:28,150
|
|||
|
to the negotiation table to read it,
|
|||
|
all right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
584
|
|||
|
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,450
|
|||
|
Yes, I have so far,
|
|||
|
but very no, no complaints, but
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
585
|
|||
|
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:34,660
|
|||
|
no problem solver so far and treat it
|
|||
|
very good.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
586
|
|||
|
00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,580
|
|||
|
Shortly thereafter, one of the inmates,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
587
|
|||
|
00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:42,080
|
|||
|
a young man by the name of l.D.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
588
|
|||
|
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,670
|
|||
|
Barclay, started to read
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
589
|
|||
|
00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:48,460
|
|||
|
the demands of the entire prison
|
|||
|
population.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
590
|
|||
|
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:54,050
|
|||
|
That means each and every one of us here
|
|||
|
have set forth to change forever.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
591
|
|||
|
00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,350
|
|||
|
The ruthless brutalization and disregard
|
|||
|
for the lives
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
592
|
|||
|
00:35:57,350 --> 00:36:00,310
|
|||
|
of the prisoners here
|
|||
|
and throughout the United States.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
593
|
|||
|
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,020
|
|||
|
He was saying,
|
|||
|
What we all want you to scream.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
594
|
|||
|
00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:07,150
|
|||
|
But he was explaining it
|
|||
|
so that everybody could understand
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
595
|
|||
|
00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:10,150
|
|||
|
so that when you were sitting
|
|||
|
in your living room,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
596
|
|||
|
00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,400
|
|||
|
you could say, Well, the guy's a criminal.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
597
|
|||
|
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,570
|
|||
|
Yeah, but.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
598
|
|||
|
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,240
|
|||
|
He is saying something that's.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
599
|
|||
|
00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:15,660
|
|||
|
That's
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
600
|
|||
|
00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:19,370
|
|||
|
that I understand that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
601
|
|||
|
00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:22,370
|
|||
|
How could we do that, you know,
|
|||
|
he was waking up America.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
602
|
|||
|
00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:25,630
|
|||
|
And he was the best one to do it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
603
|
|||
|
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:27,590
|
|||
|
We are men.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
604
|
|||
|
00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:31,760
|
|||
|
We are not beasts and we do not intend
|
|||
|
to be beaten or driven effort.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
605
|
|||
|
00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:34,840
|
|||
|
Audi is only going to be here for 90 days,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
606
|
|||
|
00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:38,310
|
|||
|
he'll be getting out, but he wanted to
|
|||
|
the outside world and noted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
607
|
|||
|
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,850
|
|||
|
The prison is inhumane.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
608
|
|||
|
00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:45,400
|
|||
|
What has happened here is but the sound of
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
609
|
|||
|
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,070
|
|||
|
for the fury of those who are oppressed,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
610
|
|||
|
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:51,280
|
|||
|
we will not compromise on any terms
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
611
|
|||
|
00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:54,610
|
|||
|
except those terms
|
|||
|
that are agreeable to us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
612
|
|||
|
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,700
|
|||
|
We call.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
613
|
|||
|
00:37:01,410 --> 00:37:03,910
|
|||
|
You felt it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
614
|
|||
|
00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:07,130
|
|||
|
And at that moment,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
615
|
|||
|
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:09,880
|
|||
|
I heard it and I seen it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
616
|
|||
|
00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:13,340
|
|||
|
And that reaffirmed
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
617
|
|||
|
00:37:13,340 --> 00:37:16,300
|
|||
|
why we was data, why I was there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
618
|
|||
|
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:22,430
|
|||
|
It was a feeling that this was big.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
619
|
|||
|
00:37:23,180 --> 00:37:25,390
|
|||
|
This was huge.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
620
|
|||
|
00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:32,280
|
|||
|
Corrections Commissioner Oswald maintained
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
621
|
|||
|
00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,070
|
|||
|
that he had done
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
622
|
|||
|
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,910
|
|||
|
quite a bit of the things
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
623
|
|||
|
00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:41,910
|
|||
|
that the inmates had requested.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
624
|
|||
|
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:43,500
|
|||
|
I've,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
625
|
|||
|
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,170
|
|||
|
uh, complied
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
626
|
|||
|
00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:50,340
|
|||
|
with the several things
|
|||
|
I said I would do as my part.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
627
|
|||
|
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,550
|
|||
|
I brought the press and other media
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
628
|
|||
|
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:57,760
|
|||
|
in here to listen as we talk.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
629
|
|||
|
00:37:58,010 --> 00:38:01,760
|
|||
|
And now my question is I asked earlier,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
630
|
|||
|
00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:06,230
|
|||
|
when will you release the hostages?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
631
|
|||
|
00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,480
|
|||
|
Now the table was turned
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
632
|
|||
|
00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:13,030
|
|||
|
and we had the power,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
633
|
|||
|
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,070
|
|||
|
so when we asked him for something,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
634
|
|||
|
00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:18,070
|
|||
|
he had to give it to us
|
|||
|
because he had no choice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
635
|
|||
|
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,160
|
|||
|
We wanted some assurance that we weren't
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
636
|
|||
|
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,450
|
|||
|
going to be retaliated against.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
637
|
|||
|
00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,660
|
|||
|
So we ask Herman Schwartz
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
638
|
|||
|
00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,870
|
|||
|
to go to District Court in New York.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
639
|
|||
|
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,050
|
|||
|
And I get an injunction
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
640
|
|||
|
00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:37,340
|
|||
|
that would assure us
|
|||
|
that we wouldn't be retaliated against.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
641
|
|||
|
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,090
|
|||
|
I sat down and wrote an injunction.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
642
|
|||
|
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,180
|
|||
|
Which barred any kind of retaliation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
643
|
|||
|
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,560
|
|||
|
It had been agreed that there would be
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
644
|
|||
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00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,560
|
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|
another meeting the next morning.
|
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|
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|
645
|
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|
00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:55,070
|
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|
The time is now ten minutes late.
|
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|
|
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|
646
|
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|
00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:58,360
|
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|
We've been shooting this tape
|
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|
for approximately two hours.
|
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|
647
|
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|
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,030
|
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|
We started about 6:00 p.m..
|
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|
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|
648
|
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|
00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:04,540
|
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|
Light is almost gone now
|
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|
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|
649
|
|||
|
00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:07,910
|
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|
we can see lights in cell block D.
|
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|
|
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|
650
|
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|
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:18,130
|
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|
Oh. The guy next to me
|
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|
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|
651
|
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|
00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:20,970
|
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|
was named Raymond Wei.
|
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|
|
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|
652
|
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|
00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:25,060
|
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|
You open up in the air.
|
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|
|
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|
653
|
|||
|
00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:28,230
|
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|
Gardner still remain way, your way,
|
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|
|
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|
654
|
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|
00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:31,270
|
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|
your smear
|
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|
|
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|
655
|
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|
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,690
|
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|
ain't been out at the dog and 22 years.
|
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|
|
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|
656
|
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|
00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,690
|
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|
And we was talking
|
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|
|
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|
657
|
|||
|
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:40,950
|
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|
singing songs, it was
|
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|
it was a festive night.
|
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|
|
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|
658
|
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|
00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:42,950
|
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|
I loved it. I loved it.
|
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|
|
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|
659
|
|||
|
00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:46,580
|
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|
Then I was out in the nighttime
|
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|
looking at the stars.
|
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|
|
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|
660
|
|||
|
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,250
|
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|
I was drunk.
|
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|
I was happy. I was. I liked it.
|
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|
|
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|
661
|
|||
|
00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:52,290
|
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|
Yeah, I was having a good time
|
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|
and it was good.
|
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|
|
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|
662
|
|||
|
00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:54,380
|
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|
I feel free.
|
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|
|
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|
663
|
|||
|
00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:58,010
|
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|
You know, I mean, prison was dead,
|
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|
but you know, I felt free.
|
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|
|
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|
664
|
|||
|
00:39:58,210 --> 00:40:00,260
|
|||
|
And you had to hear
|
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|
|
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|
665
|
|||
|
00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,640
|
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|
the doors not locking.
|
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|
|
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|
666
|
|||
|
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,350
|
|||
|
And if and if it was a good feeling
|
|||
|
that that first night
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
667
|
|||
|
00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:10,810
|
|||
|
when it got dark
|
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|
|
|||
|
668
|
|||
|
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:13,480
|
|||
|
and everybody was talking
|
|||
|
about finding somewhere to sleep with,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
669
|
|||
|
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,610
|
|||
|
you know, don't sleep alone
|
|||
|
and you know, that type of thing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
670
|
|||
|
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,740
|
|||
|
There's a lot of psychopaths
|
|||
|
and sociopaths
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
671
|
|||
|
00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,280
|
|||
|
in those facilities, so you know you
|
|||
|
had to protect yourself from
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
672
|
|||
|
00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:26,910
|
|||
|
from your peers, even.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
673
|
|||
|
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,790
|
|||
|
Well,
|
|||
|
I knew this was going to last forever.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
674
|
|||
|
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,960
|
|||
|
I knew they would.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
675
|
|||
|
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,090
|
|||
|
It would be an end this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
676
|
|||
|
00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:42,720
|
|||
|
But just because he was incarcerated
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
677
|
|||
|
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,800
|
|||
|
didn't mean that we were less than human.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
678
|
|||
|
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:50,520
|
|||
|
Somebody had to take the stand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
679
|
|||
|
00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:00,360
|
|||
|
At dawn,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
680
|
|||
|
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,910
|
|||
|
a smoke from yesterday's fires lingered
|
|||
|
over prison walls, a federal injunction
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
681
|
|||
|
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:09,580
|
|||
|
was obtained prohibiting physical reprisal
|
|||
|
against those involved in the riot.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
682
|
|||
|
00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:13,660
|
|||
|
When I brought in the injunction,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
683
|
|||
|
00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:18,290
|
|||
|
we talked to the prisoners
|
|||
|
at opposite ends
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
684
|
|||
|
00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:21,300
|
|||
|
of a rather long tunnel.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
685
|
|||
|
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,760
|
|||
|
They said where where the administrators.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
686
|
|||
|
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,590
|
|||
|
I don't know.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
687
|
|||
|
00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:28,890
|
|||
|
I'm here about know where they are.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
688
|
|||
|
00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:31,680
|
|||
|
Finally, at 10:00, Oswald
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
689
|
|||
|
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,020
|
|||
|
and the others show up.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
690
|
|||
|
00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,310
|
|||
|
The prisoners were furious.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
691
|
|||
|
00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:41,440
|
|||
|
They had been,
|
|||
|
as they would put it, dissed.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
692
|
|||
|
00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:44,700
|
|||
|
They're supposed
|
|||
|
to meet at seven or 8:00 and.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
693
|
|||
|
00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:48,030
|
|||
|
It was very clear
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
694
|
|||
|
00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:51,200
|
|||
|
the air was very tense.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
695
|
|||
|
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:54,870
|
|||
|
You had the table spread out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
696
|
|||
|
00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,460
|
|||
|
We were on one side.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
697
|
|||
|
00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:00,710
|
|||
|
The inmates were on the other.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
698
|
|||
|
00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,960
|
|||
|
And I gave the document
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
699
|
|||
|
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,340
|
|||
|
that the judge had signed this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
700
|
|||
|
00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:08,800
|
|||
|
It's nothing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
701
|
|||
|
00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:11,680
|
|||
|
I'm sorry, I spent hours of
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
702
|
|||
|
00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,730
|
|||
|
of and got no sleep and trouble
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
703
|
|||
|
00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:19,350
|
|||
|
declaring that a federal judge
|
|||
|
has signed off on an injunction
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
704
|
|||
|
00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:23,440
|
|||
|
saying that there would be no reprisals,
|
|||
|
anything that can.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
705
|
|||
|
00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,820
|
|||
|
Waving that at us
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
706
|
|||
|
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:29,240
|
|||
|
and they're free to do so was the same.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
707
|
|||
|
00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:32,160
|
|||
|
There was no judicial seal on it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
708
|
|||
|
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,830
|
|||
|
I have received injunctions
|
|||
|
from the Southern District,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
709
|
|||
|
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000
|
|||
|
which are judicial fields.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
710
|
|||
|
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
|
|||
|
This paper is an empty gesture.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
711
|
|||
|
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,080
|
|||
|
Jerry, did you?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
712
|
|||
|
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,750
|
|||
|
That was his nickname.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
713
|
|||
|
00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:47,260
|
|||
|
Jerry Rosenberg was a hell of a guy
|
|||
|
and he was well respected.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
714
|
|||
|
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:48,470
|
|||
|
He had a law degree.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
715
|
|||
|
00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:51,850
|
|||
|
Any new law he would help
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
716
|
|||
|
00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:54,140
|
|||
|
all the inmates,
|
|||
|
she was a jailhouse lawyer.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
717
|
|||
|
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440
|
|||
|
You can take this piece of paper
|
|||
|
and throw it away
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
718
|
|||
|
00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:00,150
|
|||
|
because this is no protection.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
719
|
|||
|
00:43:00,150 --> 00:43:03,190
|
|||
|
Geoffrey Rosenberg God bless him, sir.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
720
|
|||
|
00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:06,360
|
|||
|
Charging scientists.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
721
|
|||
|
00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:09,660
|
|||
|
There's
|
|||
|
no there's no lost in district court
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
722
|
|||
|
00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:13,830
|
|||
|
stamp on this document
|
|||
|
saying that, you know what?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
723
|
|||
|
00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:17,250
|
|||
|
Nothing will happen to worse and torn up.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
724
|
|||
|
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:20,750
|
|||
|
You know, we know you mean well,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
725
|
|||
|
00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:23,130
|
|||
|
but don't come with the bullshit here.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
726
|
|||
|
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,630
|
|||
|
We want a judicial seal and a continuing
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
727
|
|||
|
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:30,010
|
|||
|
restraining order
|
|||
|
until the litigation is finally ended
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
728
|
|||
|
00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:33,800
|
|||
|
without any reprisal or brutality
|
|||
|
against any inmate
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
729
|
|||
|
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:36,060
|
|||
|
of this institution.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
730
|
|||
|
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,190
|
|||
|
Well, lawyers know
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
731
|
|||
|
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,030
|
|||
|
that seals don't mean anything
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
732
|
|||
|
00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:55,030
|
|||
|
so long as the signature is there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
733
|
|||
|
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:58,410
|
|||
|
I could have kicked
|
|||
|
Jerry's ass, and I should have
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
734
|
|||
|
00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:00,500
|
|||
|
read because
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
735
|
|||
|
00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,290
|
|||
|
he he just started to grandstand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
736
|
|||
|
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,380
|
|||
|
You know, he was caught up in the moment.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
737
|
|||
|
00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:10,340
|
|||
|
Good, smart as he is
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
738
|
|||
|
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:14,090
|
|||
|
and a shrewd as he is, he over reacted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
739
|
|||
|
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,310
|
|||
|
And we lost an opportunity there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
740
|
|||
|
00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:20,680
|
|||
|
And then somebody said, let's hold them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
741
|
|||
|
00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,060
|
|||
|
Let's add to the hostage Cal.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
742
|
|||
|
00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:29,570
|
|||
|
I speak everybody here,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
743
|
|||
|
00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:31,900
|
|||
|
I want to to you as well.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
744
|
|||
|
00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,990
|
|||
|
When you come in here covering the game,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
745
|
|||
|
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:39,620
|
|||
|
I know you don't give a fuck about no max
|
|||
|
that they somehow give a fuck about you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
746
|
|||
|
00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,080
|
|||
|
Nothing I know.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
747
|
|||
|
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,670
|
|||
|
Nothing, you know?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
748
|
|||
|
00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:46,880
|
|||
|
And I'm gonna to leave you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
749
|
|||
|
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,550
|
|||
|
It seems to me that you are
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
750
|
|||
|
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,220
|
|||
|
saying to me that you,
|
|||
|
you are an artist at pretty rare occasion.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
751
|
|||
|
00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:57,510
|
|||
|
I bear witness
|
|||
|
to your evil deeds, Mr. Art.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
752
|
|||
|
00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,970
|
|||
|
Now I repeat,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
753
|
|||
|
00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:03,390
|
|||
|
as I told you yesterday,
|
|||
|
we are being lenient with you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
754
|
|||
|
00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:05,940
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We are negotiating.
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755
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|
00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:08,400
|
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|
We are talking. We shouldn't be.
|
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|
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|
756
|
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|
00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,530
|
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|
We should be demanding.
|
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|
|
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|
757
|
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|
00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:11,530
|
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|
So why?
|
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|
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|
758
|
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|
00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:15,200
|
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|
Because we have 35 lives, not hostages.
|
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|
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|
759
|
|||
|
00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:16,870
|
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|
And I repeat Mr.
|
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|
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|
760
|
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|
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:20,950
|
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|
Oswald, a moment's
|
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|
hesitation would cause you delay.
|
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|
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|
761
|
|||
|
00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:23,830
|
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|
The meeting in the yard got very tense
|
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|
|
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|
762
|
|||
|
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:28,880
|
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|
because Oswald would talk to you
|
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|
from one side of the mouth.
|
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|
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|
763
|
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|
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:31,550
|
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|
And then when he left the yard
|
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|
and go outside,
|
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|
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|
764
|
|||
|
00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:33,970
|
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|
he talks from the other side of the mouth
|
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|
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|
765
|
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|
00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:37,050
|
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|
of the inmates made any demands
|
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|
that, you know, there are all kinds
|
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|
|
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|
766
|
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|
00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:40,760
|
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|
of demands, you know, for the change
|
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|
of change in the whole world.
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|
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|
767
|
|||
|
00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:44,560
|
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|
But what he forgot
|
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|
was that he was being seen on TV.
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|
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|
768
|
|||
|
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,440
|
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|
Come on, how could you do that?
|
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|
|
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|
769
|
|||
|
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,020
|
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|
We watch you
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|||
|
|
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|
770
|
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|
00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:54,700
|
|||
|
and you stated it yesterday on the news
|
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|
media, in a huff, in a panic, you said.
|
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|
|
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|
771
|
|||
|
00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,410
|
|||
|
Well, I don't know what they want.
|
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|
|
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|
772
|
|||
|
00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:58,530
|
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|
They want the world and what you like.
|
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|
|
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|
773
|
|||
|
00:45:58,530 --> 00:45:59,740
|
|||
|
You walk away from reporters.
|
|||
|
|
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|
774
|
|||
|
00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:01,830
|
|||
|
Would you reply that the sidewalk?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
775
|
|||
|
00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:04,160
|
|||
|
Yes, I did say that.
|
|||
|
|
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|
776
|
|||
|
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:05,580
|
|||
|
Let him finish.
|
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|
|
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|
777
|
|||
|
00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:06,620
|
|||
|
I don't say that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
778
|
|||
|
00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:09,210
|
|||
|
Can't bullshit a bullshitter.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
779
|
|||
|
00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:10,630
|
|||
|
You can't do that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
780
|
|||
|
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,090
|
|||
|
The first time he came in, I'm going to do
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
781
|
|||
|
00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:15,220
|
|||
|
this, a b, c, d e f g
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
782
|
|||
|
00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:18,760
|
|||
|
and people said, All right,
|
|||
|
going back to business, get it done,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
783
|
|||
|
00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:21,510
|
|||
|
came back in and started talking
|
|||
|
and you know,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
784
|
|||
|
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:26,100
|
|||
|
it was going around about hearing around
|
|||
|
about then this scenario.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
785
|
|||
|
00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:28,190
|
|||
|
Not that the hostages go.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
786
|
|||
|
00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:30,980
|
|||
|
But you be hostage,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
787
|
|||
|
00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:33,020
|
|||
|
whatever, you know, power
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
788
|
|||
|
00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:34,780
|
|||
|
and water.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
789
|
|||
|
00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,740
|
|||
|
We haven't got that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
790
|
|||
|
00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:38,860
|
|||
|
We're going to get Mr. Harper for himself.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
791
|
|||
|
00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:40,370
|
|||
|
So we got to.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
792
|
|||
|
00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:45,330
|
|||
|
We're not letting him out of here
|
|||
|
and keeping him in Austin.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
793
|
|||
|
00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:47,960
|
|||
|
We all we shut that down.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
794
|
|||
|
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,750
|
|||
|
We're not going to be like them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
795
|
|||
|
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:50,920
|
|||
|
We're not going to break our word.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
796
|
|||
|
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,920
|
|||
|
And it says, well, inmates
|
|||
|
would be more honorable than them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
797
|
|||
|
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,800
|
|||
|
Yes, we were because we gave him my word
|
|||
|
nothing would happen to him.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
798
|
|||
|
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:07,850
|
|||
|
Everybody starts
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
799
|
|||
|
00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:10,440
|
|||
|
screaming at him, go, let him go.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
800
|
|||
|
00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:12,360
|
|||
|
Don't.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
801
|
|||
|
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,900
|
|||
|
He got out of Dodge.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
802
|
|||
|
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,240
|
|||
|
He never came back.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
803
|
|||
|
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,200
|
|||
|
In New York State,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
804
|
|||
|
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,580
|
|||
|
some 500 inmates of the Attica maximum
|
|||
|
security prison are still in revolt.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
805
|
|||
|
00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:34,000
|
|||
|
Authorities tried unsuccessfully
|
|||
|
to reach a settlement with the prisoners
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
806
|
|||
|
00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:38,300
|
|||
|
over demands for reforms and to obtain
|
|||
|
release of more than 30 hostages.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
807
|
|||
|
00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,340
|
|||
|
We have a report on what's been happening
|
|||
|
at Attica from ABC's John Johnson.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
808
|
|||
|
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,390
|
|||
|
Fires were still burning at Attica
|
|||
|
State Prison,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
809
|
|||
|
00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:48,680
|
|||
|
despite a small army of police and state
|
|||
|
troopers.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
810
|
|||
|
00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:51,480
|
|||
|
The prisoners continue to call the shots
|
|||
|
at Attica.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
811
|
|||
|
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:54,610
|
|||
|
Commissioner Oswald announced that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
812
|
|||
|
00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:57,570
|
|||
|
prison officials
|
|||
|
were attempting to bring to the prison
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
813
|
|||
|
00:47:57,730 --> 00:48:02,530
|
|||
|
those people requested by the prisoners
|
|||
|
in areas under where the group
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
814
|
|||
|
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:05,490
|
|||
|
was basically people
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
815
|
|||
|
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:10,040
|
|||
|
whom they knew people like Tom Wicker,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
816
|
|||
|
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,790
|
|||
|
who had written a column about prisoners.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
817
|
|||
|
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:16,000
|
|||
|
Senator John Dunn was chairman
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
818
|
|||
|
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,590
|
|||
|
of the Prisons Committee and sympathetic.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
819
|
|||
|
00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,170
|
|||
|
He was asked to come.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
820
|
|||
|
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:24,550
|
|||
|
Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
821
|
|||
|
00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:27,140
|
|||
|
seven, asked him to come in
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
822
|
|||
|
00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:32,350
|
|||
|
and Clarence Jones,
|
|||
|
publisher of the Amsterdam News.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
823
|
|||
|
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:38,020
|
|||
|
Have a driver was
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
824
|
|||
|
00:48:38,020 --> 00:48:41,490
|
|||
|
driving me up,
|
|||
|
the ampersand is the driver, says Boss,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
825
|
|||
|
00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:43,990
|
|||
|
they're calling your name on the radio,
|
|||
|
so what you mean?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
826
|
|||
|
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,200
|
|||
|
Called Rockefeller,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
827
|
|||
|
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000
|
|||
|
and lo and behold,
|
|||
|
the governor picked up the phone.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
828
|
|||
|
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,080
|
|||
|
He said, thank you so much.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
829
|
|||
|
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,500
|
|||
|
Mr Jones, we have a major situation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
830
|
|||
|
00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:58,500
|
|||
|
A number of the inmates
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
831
|
|||
|
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,590
|
|||
|
have called your name.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
832
|
|||
|
00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:04,630
|
|||
|
We'll have a car and pick you up.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
833
|
|||
|
00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:07,010
|
|||
|
And taking him to a private airport.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
834
|
|||
|
00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:10,100
|
|||
|
We're a state private
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
835
|
|||
|
00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,270
|
|||
|
plane is waiting for you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
836
|
|||
|
00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:16,020
|
|||
|
And there are more.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
837
|
|||
|
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,900
|
|||
|
Atika, you be part of the.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
838
|
|||
|
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:21,990
|
|||
|
Observers committee.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
839
|
|||
|
00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:26,450
|
|||
|
My wife and I were off on vacation
|
|||
|
at the time
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
840
|
|||
|
00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:27,870
|
|||
|
and we got a call
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
841
|
|||
|
00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,790
|
|||
|
that they had asked me to come there,
|
|||
|
and I felt that with my prior experience
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
842
|
|||
|
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:35,670
|
|||
|
and my responsibilities as a chairman
|
|||
|
of the prison committee ought to be there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
843
|
|||
|
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,750
|
|||
|
I was optimistic.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
844
|
|||
|
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:40,550
|
|||
|
I thought.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
845
|
|||
|
00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:42,340
|
|||
|
Give it a shot.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
846
|
|||
|
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:45,760
|
|||
|
For the rebel prisoners of Attica,
|
|||
|
the encouraging appearance,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
847
|
|||
|
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,680
|
|||
|
the people, they consider friends.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
848
|
|||
|
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,220
|
|||
|
A 30 man mediation committee,
|
|||
|
including a congressman for newsmen
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
849
|
|||
|
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,230
|
|||
|
and most importantly, lawyer
|
|||
|
William Kunstler.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
850
|
|||
|
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,900
|
|||
|
Have you heard anything from Governor
|
|||
|
Rockefeller's office?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
851
|
|||
|
00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,110
|
|||
|
I mean, has he put any time
|
|||
|
limit on these negotiations?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
852
|
|||
|
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400
|
|||
|
No, but I understand that
|
|||
|
there is no present
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
853
|
|||
|
00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:07,030
|
|||
|
plan to use force in this prison,
|
|||
|
and I hope that continues.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
854
|
|||
|
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,910
|
|||
|
I just hope that they realize
|
|||
|
that this is a unique situation
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
855
|
|||
|
00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:15,000
|
|||
|
and that it may take time
|
|||
|
and that if everyone has a good faith,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
856
|
|||
|
00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,080
|
|||
|
something will work out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
857
|
|||
|
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:21,630
|
|||
|
It was scary, the tension was tremendous.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
858
|
|||
|
00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:25,470
|
|||
|
Eager to cut the air with a knife,
|
|||
|
it was terrifying.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
859
|
|||
|
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,890
|
|||
|
I remember going into the yard
|
|||
|
and saying to Mel, Where was I?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
860
|
|||
|
00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:30,050
|
|||
|
Do you have a cigaret?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
861
|
|||
|
00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:30,470
|
|||
|
And he said,
|
|||
|
|
|||
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862
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|
00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:33,770
|
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|
You have one on you, one in your hand,
|
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|
one in your mouth and one in your.
|
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|
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|
863
|
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|
00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,600
|
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|
I was scared.
|
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|
|
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|
864
|
|||
|
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,770
|
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|
When you see a tower
|
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|
with people with rifles,
|
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|
|
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|
865
|
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|
00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:43,020
|
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|
I kept thinking
|
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|
|
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|
866
|
|||
|
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,990
|
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|
we should stay close to Tom Wicker
|
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|
and Herman Badillo
|
|||
|
|
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|
867
|
|||
|
00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:48,530
|
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|
because they would be the least likely
|
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|
to be shot.
|
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|
|
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|
868
|
|||
|
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,620
|
|||
|
Frank Big Black
|
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|
|
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|
869
|
|||
|
00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:56,540
|
|||
|
Smith was the overall security leader.
|
|||
|
|
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|
870
|
|||
|
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:59,670
|
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|
He took that job on himself already.
|
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|
|
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|
871
|
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|
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000
|
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|
He was the guy.
|
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|
|
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|
872
|
|||
|
00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:04,170
|
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|
Here's the big man.
|
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|
|
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|
873
|
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|
00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:06,840
|
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|
I mean, this is big.
|
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|
|
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|
874
|
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|
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,680
|
|||
|
That was responsible to make sure
|
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|
|
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|
875
|
|||
|
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,680
|
|||
|
that the observers that came in.
|
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|
|
|||
|
876
|
|||
|
00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,890
|
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|
They the same way
|
|||
|
they can't manage the same way
|
|||
|
|
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|
877
|
|||
|
00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:19,480
|
|||
|
they did
|
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|
that, you know, no harm come to them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
878
|
|||
|
00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,060
|
|||
|
He said, Well,
|
|||
|
we've got to have a security force.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
879
|
|||
|
00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,610
|
|||
|
So we were looking for volunteers.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
880
|
|||
|
00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:27,570
|
|||
|
You, you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
881
|
|||
|
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:30,610
|
|||
|
Along the way for her,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
882
|
|||
|
00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:35,330
|
|||
|
can't be all black as we need
|
|||
|
black guys, white guys and Puerto Ricans.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
883
|
|||
|
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,420
|
|||
|
We would line up and create a corridor,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
884
|
|||
|
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,840
|
|||
|
and they would walk down the middle
|
|||
|
of the corridor with us being a barrier
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
885
|
|||
|
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,630
|
|||
|
between general population
|
|||
|
and the negotiators.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
886
|
|||
|
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680
|
|||
|
So we would just
|
|||
|
stand shoulder to shoulder and give them
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
887
|
|||
|
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,010
|
|||
|
that safe space to walk through.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
888
|
|||
|
00:52:00,310 --> 00:52:01,730
|
|||
|
We begin to talk with them
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
889
|
|||
|
00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:06,690
|
|||
|
about what they wanted,
|
|||
|
and they had their their
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
890
|
|||
|
00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,700
|
|||
|
their list of things that they wanted
|
|||
|
already written.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
891
|
|||
|
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,950
|
|||
|
You know, everybody wanted a voice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
892
|
|||
|
00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:14,660
|
|||
|
Good, bad.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
893
|
|||
|
00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:19,000
|
|||
|
And it worked out,
|
|||
|
so nothing went easy, but it went.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
894
|
|||
|
00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:24,920
|
|||
|
We got to a point where we had
|
|||
|
what we thought might be possible.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
895
|
|||
|
00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:27,670
|
|||
|
Their demands were, you know,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
896
|
|||
|
00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:31,260
|
|||
|
reasonable demands
|
|||
|
about living conditions.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
897
|
|||
|
00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:34,090
|
|||
|
They wanted medical care.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
898
|
|||
|
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,430
|
|||
|
Decent food,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
899
|
|||
|
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,850
|
|||
|
fair disciplinary hearings.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
900
|
|||
|
00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,440
|
|||
|
Basically,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
901
|
|||
|
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,400
|
|||
|
they wanted to be treated
|
|||
|
like human beings,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
902
|
|||
|
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,820
|
|||
|
prisoners late last night met
|
|||
|
with a civilian committee
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
903
|
|||
|
00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,160
|
|||
|
in an attempt to clarify demands
|
|||
|
ranging from better prison
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
904
|
|||
|
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,910
|
|||
|
life conditions
|
|||
|
to more religious and political freedom.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
905
|
|||
|
00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:03,920
|
|||
|
I injected into the two demands
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
906
|
|||
|
00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:08,170
|
|||
|
for some people
|
|||
|
to go to non imperialistic country.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
907
|
|||
|
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,880
|
|||
|
You have to be frightened flight out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
908
|
|||
|
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:12,920
|
|||
|
We thought Cuba
|
|||
|
was going to come and get us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
909
|
|||
|
00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:17,800
|
|||
|
You ship
|
|||
|
troops to Vietnam to stop the men.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
910
|
|||
|
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,810
|
|||
|
Go to all these five countries
|
|||
|
to press the button.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
911
|
|||
|
00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:23,850
|
|||
|
You can bet why these helicopters
|
|||
|
in air and ship
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
912
|
|||
|
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,230
|
|||
|
on this country.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
913
|
|||
|
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,440
|
|||
|
We didn't seeing people snatch airplanes
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
914
|
|||
|
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,940
|
|||
|
and all like dead and go to Cuba
|
|||
|
and Algiers and all other places.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
915
|
|||
|
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,950
|
|||
|
Why not get out of jail?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
916
|
|||
|
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:38,120
|
|||
|
An Air France
|
|||
|
jet was hijacked by Palestinian girls.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
917
|
|||
|
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,830
|
|||
|
17 year old girl hijacked a twb jetliner
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
918
|
|||
|
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,580
|
|||
|
I have for years
|
|||
|
and on a 25 to life sentence.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
919
|
|||
|
00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:46,960
|
|||
|
Why not get out of jail?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
920
|
|||
|
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,040
|
|||
|
Why not?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
921
|
|||
|
00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:50,590
|
|||
|
We all do that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
922
|
|||
|
00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:52,010
|
|||
|
I wasn't going to happen.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
923
|
|||
|
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:54,260
|
|||
|
We weren't going to go to
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
924
|
|||
|
00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:55,840
|
|||
|
Algeria on the plane.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
925
|
|||
|
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,680
|
|||
|
I knew that everybody
|
|||
|
in the back of their mind knew that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
926
|
|||
|
00:53:59,850 --> 00:54:01,010
|
|||
|
But we need it, obviously.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
927
|
|||
|
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,480
|
|||
|
We want the federal
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
928
|
|||
|
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,560
|
|||
|
judiciary to guarantee complete amnesty
|
|||
|
to each and every one of us
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
929
|
|||
|
00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:13,940
|
|||
|
has taken part in the struggle
|
|||
|
here at Attica to ensure that this amnesty
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
930
|
|||
|
00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:19,120
|
|||
|
will not be just a groping in the win, but
|
|||
|
a reality for each and every one of us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
931
|
|||
|
00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:23,620
|
|||
|
They were not looking to be relieved
|
|||
|
of the prison sentences
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
932
|
|||
|
00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:27,080
|
|||
|
to which they have been sent by the courts
|
|||
|
after being convicted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
933
|
|||
|
00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:30,500
|
|||
|
They were looking to be freed from any
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
934
|
|||
|
00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,880
|
|||
|
prosecution or any penalties
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
935
|
|||
|
00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,340
|
|||
|
for their engaging in the riot.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
936
|
|||
|
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:41,260
|
|||
|
Besides the normal beatings
|
|||
|
and everything else
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
937
|
|||
|
00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:45,350
|
|||
|
they're going to do to us, which is,
|
|||
|
you know, automatic.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
938
|
|||
|
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:49,940
|
|||
|
We knew that they could also take us
|
|||
|
and bring us to court and,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
939
|
|||
|
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,690
|
|||
|
you know, and turn us into the monster
|
|||
|
inmates who took over the prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
940
|
|||
|
00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:59,110
|
|||
|
We are not advocating violence.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
941
|
|||
|
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200
|
|||
|
We all want to live.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
942
|
|||
|
00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:07,290
|
|||
|
All right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
943
|
|||
|
00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:09,290
|
|||
|
If you get one on dog.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
944
|
|||
|
00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,420
|
|||
|
You're treating them
|
|||
|
better than we have been treated
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
945
|
|||
|
00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:15,880
|
|||
|
the last.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
946
|
|||
|
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,220
|
|||
|
They were fiercely
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
947
|
|||
|
00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:25,520
|
|||
|
trying to convince prison authorities
|
|||
|
that they didn't cease
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
948
|
|||
|
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,100
|
|||
|
being a human
|
|||
|
being merely by the fact that they were
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
949
|
|||
|
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:32,400
|
|||
|
incarcerated because they had broken.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
950
|
|||
|
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,860
|
|||
|
A law society,
|
|||
|
and that's a profound thing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
951
|
|||
|
00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:40,570
|
|||
|
I am somebody.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
952
|
|||
|
00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:42,700
|
|||
|
I'm not a thing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
953
|
|||
|
00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:46,290
|
|||
|
You can't treat me like a dog.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
954
|
|||
|
00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:48,580
|
|||
|
I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
955
|
|||
|
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040
|
|||
|
And that's what they insisted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
956
|
|||
|
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,250
|
|||
|
I'm getting the.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
957
|
|||
|
00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:59,420
|
|||
|
Power structure of Africa to recognize.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
958
|
|||
|
00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:03,550
|
|||
|
That they continue to be.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
959
|
|||
|
00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:04,930
|
|||
|
Somebody.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
960
|
|||
|
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,140
|
|||
|
All of you have seen
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
961
|
|||
|
00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:10,390
|
|||
|
the observers,
|
|||
|
they all were listening to us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
962
|
|||
|
00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:13,600
|
|||
|
I feel that they were supporting us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
963
|
|||
|
00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:15,730
|
|||
|
We see.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
964
|
|||
|
00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:17,900
|
|||
|
And that meant a lot to us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
965
|
|||
|
00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:21,280
|
|||
|
This is our situation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
966
|
|||
|
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,740
|
|||
|
Please listen to us.
|
|||
|
And that's what they were doing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
967
|
|||
|
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,030
|
|||
|
They were listening.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
968
|
|||
|
00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:27,410
|
|||
|
It felt like they were somebody
|
|||
|
that believed in us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
969
|
|||
|
00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,160
|
|||
|
It felt that way.
|
|||
|
|
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|
970
|
|||
|
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080
|
|||
|
If somebody believe that you know,
|
|||
|
you did have some rights,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
971
|
|||
|
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,420
|
|||
|
even though you were a convicted felon
|
|||
|
or whatever.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
972
|
|||
|
00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:37,920
|
|||
|
Would we able to get
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
973
|
|||
|
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,340
|
|||
|
a better mailing
|
|||
|
privileges, better medical privileges?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
974
|
|||
|
00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:47,390
|
|||
|
We tried to nail it down to that,
|
|||
|
which was realistic and possible over
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
975
|
|||
|
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:50,100
|
|||
|
distinguished from a plane waiting for us
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
976
|
|||
|
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,730
|
|||
|
outside the cellblock, flying us to Cuba.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
977
|
|||
|
00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:57,690
|
|||
|
That's what it was like it was
|
|||
|
it was realism
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
978
|
|||
|
00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:01,570
|
|||
|
from fantasy.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
979
|
|||
|
00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:05,370
|
|||
|
We want to be treated as human beings,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
980
|
|||
|
00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:08,280
|
|||
|
we will be treated as human beings.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
981
|
|||
|
00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:11,290
|
|||
|
Yeah, we have come to the conclusion.
|
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|
|
|||
|
982
|
|||
|
00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:15,120
|
|||
|
That's the study.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
983
|
|||
|
00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:19,920
|
|||
|
After much suffering.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
984
|
|||
|
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,090
|
|||
|
After much consideration.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
985
|
|||
|
00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:25,890
|
|||
|
But if we cannot move
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
986
|
|||
|
00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:27,180
|
|||
|
people.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
987
|
|||
|
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:30,680
|
|||
|
We will at least try.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
988
|
|||
|
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,980
|
|||
|
Today, let me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
989
|
|||
|
00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,190
|
|||
|
That statement was sounded
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
990
|
|||
|
00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,070
|
|||
|
everywhere.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
991
|
|||
|
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:46,820
|
|||
|
In that yard,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
992
|
|||
|
00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:50,790
|
|||
|
when he said that a roar went up
|
|||
|
like no other.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
993
|
|||
|
00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,580
|
|||
|
This was this day, and I saw that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
994
|
|||
|
00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:58,540
|
|||
|
I really none of us
|
|||
|
were going to be observers,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
995
|
|||
|
00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:03,300
|
|||
|
we were going to be mediators ,
|
|||
|
whether we wanted to be mediators or not,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
996
|
|||
|
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,010
|
|||
|
whether we were called up to be mediators.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
997
|
|||
|
00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:11,510
|
|||
|
This prison uprising had to be mediated.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
998
|
|||
|
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:14,680
|
|||
|
Otherwise it was going to end in disaster.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
999
|
|||
|
00:58:16,270 --> 00:58:19,020
|
|||
|
If you people do not understand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1000
|
|||
|
00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:22,150
|
|||
|
If you people do not pick what?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1001
|
|||
|
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:25,900
|
|||
|
If you people can not make the commitment
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1002
|
|||
|
00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,360
|
|||
|
that we have made here.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1003
|
|||
|
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,740
|
|||
|
We all did.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1004
|
|||
|
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,990
|
|||
|
All right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1005
|
|||
|
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,870
|
|||
|
We'll take you all
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1006
|
|||
|
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,750
|
|||
|
to stand with us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1007
|
|||
|
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,170
|
|||
|
Not necessarily.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1008
|
|||
|
00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,210
|
|||
|
I know you want to
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1009
|
|||
|
00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:48,090
|
|||
|
hey, hey, before.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1010
|
|||
|
00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:14,950
|
|||
|
Things were growing on the outside,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1011
|
|||
|
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,370
|
|||
|
don't take.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1012
|
|||
|
00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:22,380
|
|||
|
There were more journalists.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1013
|
|||
|
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,210
|
|||
|
There were more police.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1014
|
|||
|
00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:27,510
|
|||
|
And it was just getting bigger
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1015
|
|||
|
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,260
|
|||
|
and bigger and bigger.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1016
|
|||
|
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,350
|
|||
|
People are coming night and day
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1017
|
|||
|
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680
|
|||
|
vans with reporters and police
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1018
|
|||
|
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,310
|
|||
|
and things are building up.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1019
|
|||
|
00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:44,730
|
|||
|
Among those keeping a vigil outside
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1020
|
|||
|
00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:48,530
|
|||
|
the prison walls, the families
|
|||
|
of some of the 38 men held hostage.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1021
|
|||
|
00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:51,700
|
|||
|
I was just home watching the TV.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1022
|
|||
|
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:54,910
|
|||
|
I just kept looking for my husband.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1023
|
|||
|
00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,410
|
|||
|
Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized
|
|||
|
in some way
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1024
|
|||
|
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:02,170
|
|||
|
because the inmates at that time
|
|||
|
had the power there, you know,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1025
|
|||
|
01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:05,500
|
|||
|
and if they didn't like somebody
|
|||
|
who who knew
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1026
|
|||
|
01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:08,920
|
|||
|
what you were scared to death that,
|
|||
|
you know,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1027
|
|||
|
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,300
|
|||
|
they'd just kill him or something
|
|||
|
and they didn't get their way.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1028
|
|||
|
01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:16,810
|
|||
|
Families of the 31 hostages wait for word
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1029
|
|||
|
01:00:16,810 --> 01:00:19,480
|
|||
|
as part of the prison remains
|
|||
|
in control of the inmate.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1030
|
|||
|
01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:27,860
|
|||
|
They were upset.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1031
|
|||
|
01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:29,940
|
|||
|
They were angry and they were scared
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1032
|
|||
|
01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:35,030
|
|||
|
standing out there while their loved ones
|
|||
|
are being held hostage
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1033
|
|||
|
01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:39,790
|
|||
|
and they are waiting
|
|||
|
for any scrap of information
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1034
|
|||
|
01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:44,830
|
|||
|
to hear something.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1035
|
|||
|
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,250
|
|||
|
And many of those families
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1036
|
|||
|
01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:50,970
|
|||
|
stood vigil day and night out there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1037
|
|||
|
01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,340
|
|||
|
A bunch of people crying,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1038
|
|||
|
01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:57,220
|
|||
|
the wives and brothers and fathers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1039
|
|||
|
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,430
|
|||
|
freaking out to his panic.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1040
|
|||
|
01:01:01,180 --> 01:01:04,850
|
|||
|
People are afraid to talk
|
|||
|
in the parking lot because they thought
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1041
|
|||
|
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:10,280
|
|||
|
that any reporters or anybody, even
|
|||
|
they did it on the privacy
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1042
|
|||
|
01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:13,780
|
|||
|
because they didn't want the relatives
|
|||
|
targeted, singled out
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1043
|
|||
|
01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:15,780
|
|||
|
by the inmates.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1044
|
|||
|
01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:28,290
|
|||
|
I had sympathy for them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1045
|
|||
|
01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:32,800
|
|||
|
They were elsewhere, you're going to get
|
|||
|
a job if you lived in that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1046
|
|||
|
01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:36,430
|
|||
|
area and you had no
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1047
|
|||
|
01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:41,180
|
|||
|
training and no understanding
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1048
|
|||
|
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:44,310
|
|||
|
of what it was like to grow up in
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1049
|
|||
|
01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:48,270
|
|||
|
a poor black urban area.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1050
|
|||
|
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,690
|
|||
|
You used these were aliens.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1051
|
|||
|
01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:56,070
|
|||
|
These were people from a different world
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1052
|
|||
|
01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,410
|
|||
|
and your family members.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1053
|
|||
|
01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:04,410
|
|||
|
Maybe you're going to get killed
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1054
|
|||
|
01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:06,330
|
|||
|
because of them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1055
|
|||
|
01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:08,670
|
|||
|
Sure, you were.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1056
|
|||
|
01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:10,880
|
|||
|
Infuriated.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1057
|
|||
|
01:02:12,050 --> 01:02:13,590
|
|||
|
All these dogs up there with
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1058
|
|||
|
01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:15,800
|
|||
|
all those rifles are trying to kill us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1059
|
|||
|
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,510
|
|||
|
Well, we ain't gonna quit the inmates
|
|||
|
that we're giving microphones.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1060
|
|||
|
01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:21,560
|
|||
|
I'm on TV.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1061
|
|||
|
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,810
|
|||
|
I mean, the very upsetting.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1062
|
|||
|
01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:26,730
|
|||
|
They should have resolved it right away.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1063
|
|||
|
01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:28,730
|
|||
|
It just went on too far.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1064
|
|||
|
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:31,440
|
|||
|
We all just wanted it to end.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1065
|
|||
|
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,320
|
|||
|
What I what you hear over the radio
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1066
|
|||
|
01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:40,320
|
|||
|
and the TV was and it's inspiring to me
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1067
|
|||
|
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:43,870
|
|||
|
because it seemed to
|
|||
|
me that what I was hearing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1068
|
|||
|
01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,540
|
|||
|
I didn't think
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1069
|
|||
|
01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:50,670
|
|||
|
they were doing the right thing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1070
|
|||
|
01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,840
|
|||
|
It just seemed sort of limp to me
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1071
|
|||
|
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:56,510
|
|||
|
and it was frustrating.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1072
|
|||
|
01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,180
|
|||
|
You'd hear stuff from people.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1073
|
|||
|
01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:03,140
|
|||
|
That's where it got a little scary too,
|
|||
|
because you could see how the inmates
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1074
|
|||
|
01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:07,310
|
|||
|
were considered like less than human
|
|||
|
kind of like animals.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1075
|
|||
|
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,900
|
|||
|
There was people saying,
|
|||
|
You know, don't worry about your dad,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1076
|
|||
|
01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:14,020
|
|||
|
you know, they'll get theirs type thing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1077
|
|||
|
01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:16,990
|
|||
|
And so that kind of made it
|
|||
|
even more scary.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1078
|
|||
|
01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:20,700
|
|||
|
You realize how emotionally charged
|
|||
|
the community is getting.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1079
|
|||
|
01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:23,660
|
|||
|
The tensions got worse and worse. Worse.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1080
|
|||
|
01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:25,750
|
|||
|
Emotions got worse and worse and worse.
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1081
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|
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,710
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|
Sadly,
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1082
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|
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:42,180
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I think that the hope was stronger
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than any doubt because after three days
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1083
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|
01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:45,390
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|
Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
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1084
|
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|
01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,520
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They had came in
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|
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1085
|
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|
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,980
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we had like 30
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demands and most of them what
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1086
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|
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,940
|
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possible,
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|
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1087
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|
01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:56,530
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|
and we will still be doing about it.
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|
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|
1088
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|
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,860
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|
I've never seen anything like this.
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|
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1089
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|
01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:02,160
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|
The people in here are treated like dogs.
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|
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1090
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|
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,240
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|
Not only the Black Lives Matter, white.
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|
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1091
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|||
|
01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:06,740
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|
And we're going to get what we planned.
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|
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|
1092
|
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|
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:08,790
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|
Are we going to die? Try.
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|
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1093
|
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|
01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:12,370
|
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|
But we thought that whatever happened,
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|
|
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|
1094
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|
01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:15,710
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|
we may maybe really walk away
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|
with some improvement
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|
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|
1095
|
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|
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:17,170
|
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|
in our lives.
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|
|
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|
1096
|
|||
|
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:21,760
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|
Point was, is that whatever happened,
|
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|
|
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|
1097
|
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|
01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:24,890
|
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|
it just had to make a difference.
|
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|
|
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|
1098
|
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|
01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:26,970
|
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|
Change had to happen.
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|
|
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|
1099
|
|||
|
01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:29,020
|
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|
You had to embrace who.
|
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|
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|
1100
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|
01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:34,690
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|
There's a report
|
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|
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|
1101
|
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|
01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:37,730
|
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|
that prison officials
|
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|
have yielded to most of the demands
|
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|
|
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|
1102
|
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|
01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:40,860
|
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|
by the rebelling inmates
|
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|
of the Attica state prison in New York,
|
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|
|
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|
1103
|
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|
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:44,490
|
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|
where more than 30 persons
|
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|
have been held hostage for three days.
|
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|
|
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|
1104
|
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|
01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:48,490
|
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|
As you know, during this ordeal.
|
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|
|
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|
1105
|
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|
01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:51,000
|
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|
I have personally met with inmates
|
|||
|
|
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|
1106
|
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|
01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,830
|
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|
on several occasions
|
|||
|
in areas under their control,
|
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|
|
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|
1107
|
|||
|
01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:58,340
|
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|
and they have demonstrated my commitment
|
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|
|
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|
1108
|
|||
|
01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:00,760
|
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|
to deal with the issues they have raised
|
|||
|
|
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|
1109
|
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|
01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:04,050
|
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|
by accepting 28
|
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|
|
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|
1110
|
|||
|
01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:06,930
|
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|
of the three major inmate proposals.
|
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|
|
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|
1111
|
|||
|
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,850
|
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|
The second is like
|
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|
any time of what's going to happen now.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1112
|
|||
|
01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,810
|
|||
|
Well, we hope negotiations will
|
|||
|
|
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|
1113
|
|||
|
01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:16,310
|
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|
start this afternoon and continue
|
|||
|
until they reach a solution.
|
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|
|
|||
|
1114
|
|||
|
01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:19,650
|
|||
|
Huey Newton or Bobby Seale,
|
|||
|
are they coming?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1115
|
|||
|
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:20,190
|
|||
|
They were asked.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1116
|
|||
|
01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:23,150
|
|||
|
Or we hope
|
|||
|
we understood that they were en route.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1117
|
|||
|
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:23,860
|
|||
|
We had.
|
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|
|
|||
|
1118
|
|||
|
01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,530
|
|||
|
Kind of settled in on the demands
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1119
|
|||
|
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,950
|
|||
|
we had negotiated with Oswald
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1120
|
|||
|
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:33,960
|
|||
|
for his commitment to 28 of them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1121
|
|||
|
01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:39,880
|
|||
|
The commissioner and the whole point of
|
|||
|
Bobby SEALs coming there would be for him
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1122
|
|||
|
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,420
|
|||
|
to bless and support and urge the inmates
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1123
|
|||
|
01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:45,130
|
|||
|
to accept them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1124
|
|||
|
01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:50,600
|
|||
|
Bobby
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1125
|
|||
|
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,600
|
|||
|
Seale was our hero
|
|||
|
because he was speaking out
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1126
|
|||
|
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,810
|
|||
|
about the brutality
|
|||
|
that was happening in the prison system.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1127
|
|||
|
01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:59,730
|
|||
|
He was doing what we were trying to leave.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1128
|
|||
|
01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,980
|
|||
|
He was a panther.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1129
|
|||
|
01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:02,820
|
|||
|
The second in command.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1130
|
|||
|
01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,780
|
|||
|
I really thought it would help us out
|
|||
|
of everything
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1131
|
|||
|
01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:08,240
|
|||
|
we ever demand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1132
|
|||
|
01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:12,750
|
|||
|
Bobby didn't stay long.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1133
|
|||
|
01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:17,540
|
|||
|
Bobby to stay long, came up to it and go
|
|||
|
shake table was made a little speech.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1134
|
|||
|
01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:19,750
|
|||
|
You walk around your.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1135
|
|||
|
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,630
|
|||
|
Well, we won't read about the jail.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1136
|
|||
|
01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:26,050
|
|||
|
A lot of times we're going back in time.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1137
|
|||
|
01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:28,340
|
|||
|
It was quite a letdown.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1138
|
|||
|
01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:32,390
|
|||
|
There is no remember me
|
|||
|
at all, about three minutes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1139
|
|||
|
01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:37,100
|
|||
|
At that point,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1140
|
|||
|
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:40,440
|
|||
|
everybody's just sitting around
|
|||
|
waiting for something to happen.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1141
|
|||
|
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:47,780
|
|||
|
But then Billy Quinn died.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1142
|
|||
|
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,700
|
|||
|
And that transformed everything
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1143
|
|||
|
01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:54,660
|
|||
|
the state prison in Attica,
|
|||
|
New York, is at the crisis point.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1144
|
|||
|
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,710
|
|||
|
The death of one of the guards as harden
|
|||
|
the position of prison officials
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1145
|
|||
|
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,710
|
|||
|
and there are
|
|||
|
you don't get amnesty for a murder.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1146
|
|||
|
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,460
|
|||
|
I immediately knew.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1147
|
|||
|
01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:08,840
|
|||
|
That the
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1148
|
|||
|
01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:11,510
|
|||
|
process of negotiations
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1149
|
|||
|
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:13,970
|
|||
|
just became far more difficult.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1150
|
|||
|
01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:16,680
|
|||
|
I knew that was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1151
|
|||
|
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,730
|
|||
|
I was the worst
|
|||
|
possible thing that could happen.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1152
|
|||
|
01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:23,440
|
|||
|
How could they peacefully negotiate?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1153
|
|||
|
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,700
|
|||
|
With inmates
|
|||
|
who they held responsible for the death
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1154
|
|||
|
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:29,660
|
|||
|
of a guard.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1155
|
|||
|
01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,830
|
|||
|
Prior to his passing on.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1156
|
|||
|
01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,210
|
|||
|
There was a hope and even an expectation
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1157
|
|||
|
01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:43,710
|
|||
|
because people were listening.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1158
|
|||
|
01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:46,420
|
|||
|
People were coming to understand
|
|||
|
what we had been living through
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1159
|
|||
|
01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:50,340
|
|||
|
and suffering as prisoners there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1160
|
|||
|
01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,350
|
|||
|
We know that it was a new ball
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1161
|
|||
|
01:07:54,350 --> 01:07:57,430
|
|||
|
game was depression.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1162
|
|||
|
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:58,810
|
|||
|
And fear.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1163
|
|||
|
01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:02,770
|
|||
|
And, you know, anxiety and yeah,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1164
|
|||
|
01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:05,940
|
|||
|
everything you can imagine.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1165
|
|||
|
01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,990
|
|||
|
We had to drop a lot of issues
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1166
|
|||
|
01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:11,030
|
|||
|
and focus on amnesty
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1167
|
|||
|
01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:13,740
|
|||
|
as one as the main issue
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1168
|
|||
|
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,910
|
|||
|
because we want to be charged
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1169
|
|||
|
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,250
|
|||
|
with murder.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1170
|
|||
|
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:20,660
|
|||
|
We said.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1171
|
|||
|
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,540
|
|||
|
As a group.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1172
|
|||
|
01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:26,000
|
|||
|
That we was going
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1173
|
|||
|
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,170
|
|||
|
to stay in solidarity with anyone.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1174
|
|||
|
01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:32,630
|
|||
|
They could not give amnesty to everybody.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1175
|
|||
|
01:08:32,970 --> 01:08:36,140
|
|||
|
Then was not going to leave
|
|||
|
anyone in the clutch in
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1176
|
|||
|
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,980
|
|||
|
to take a towing back on the bus
|
|||
|
or speak to take this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1177
|
|||
|
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:45,190
|
|||
|
We acted together
|
|||
|
that we understood that this was us,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1178
|
|||
|
01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:48,780
|
|||
|
that if we didn't stand together now,
|
|||
|
we never would.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1179
|
|||
|
01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:49,820
|
|||
|
And it would.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1180
|
|||
|
01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:52,910
|
|||
|
We would live
|
|||
|
like dogs for the rest of our lives.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1181
|
|||
|
01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:57,580
|
|||
|
We understood that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1182
|
|||
|
01:08:57,580 --> 01:09:02,460
|
|||
|
Did I wish that we could somehow
|
|||
|
back away, but not without amnesty?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1183
|
|||
|
01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:04,500
|
|||
|
How do the inmates feel
|
|||
|
about the current situation?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1184
|
|||
|
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,210
|
|||
|
I will.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1185
|
|||
|
01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:08,880
|
|||
|
A group of us were in with the inmates.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1186
|
|||
|
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,670
|
|||
|
We met with them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1187
|
|||
|
01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:13,220
|
|||
|
We had two and a half hours.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1188
|
|||
|
01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:14,590
|
|||
|
Some of the people are here,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1189
|
|||
|
01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:18,100
|
|||
|
but we really have nothing to say about
|
|||
|
it, except they are firm in their demands.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1190
|
|||
|
01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:19,680
|
|||
|
And that's it.
|
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|
|
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|
1191
|
|||
|
01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,270
|
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|
In other words,
|
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|
|
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|
1192
|
|||
|
01:09:20,270 --> 01:09:23,390
|
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|
they're not going to let the hostages
|
|||
|
go until they're granted total amnesty.
|
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|
|
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|
1193
|
|||
|
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,650
|
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|
That was their last position.
|
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|
|
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|
1194
|
|||
|
01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:33,820
|
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|
The flag at half staff
|
|||
|
for the injured guard who had died
|
|||
|
|
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|
1195
|
|||
|
01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:35,910
|
|||
|
the night before
|
|||
|
set the mood this morning,
|
|||
|
|
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|
1196
|
|||
|
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,910
|
|||
|
it was clear that the troubles of this
|
|||
|
troubled prison had grown worse.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1197
|
|||
|
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:42,120
|
|||
|
That Sunday,
|
|||
|
you had that fall that came over
|
|||
|
|
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|
1198
|
|||
|
01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,750
|
|||
|
and it was a certain chill in the air.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1199
|
|||
|
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:47,750
|
|||
|
Something didn't feel right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1200
|
|||
|
01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:49,710
|
|||
|
It didn't feel right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1201
|
|||
|
01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:52,550
|
|||
|
There are strong indications tonight
|
|||
|
that police will be sent
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1202
|
|||
|
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:56,140
|
|||
|
into the cellblock in an attempt
|
|||
|
to rescue the rest of the hostages
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1203
|
|||
|
01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,260
|
|||
|
by force.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1204
|
|||
|
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,480
|
|||
|
Water was cut off.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1205
|
|||
|
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,810
|
|||
|
Food was getting scarce.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1206
|
|||
|
01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:09,060
|
|||
|
Patients were getting shot
|
|||
|
and people were totally
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1207
|
|||
|
01:10:10,190 --> 01:10:12,280
|
|||
|
wondering what is going to be the outcome
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1208
|
|||
|
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:15,030
|
|||
|
of the situation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1209
|
|||
|
01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:24,960
|
|||
|
There was enormous pressure,
|
|||
|
and I witnessed
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1210
|
|||
|
01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,710
|
|||
|
that as I took a breather
|
|||
|
and went out to the public space
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1211
|
|||
|
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,300
|
|||
|
just outside the prison,
|
|||
|
where a lot of correction
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1212
|
|||
|
01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:37,720
|
|||
|
officers, their families, troopers
|
|||
|
and other officials
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1213
|
|||
|
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,640
|
|||
|
were gathered together.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1214
|
|||
|
01:10:40,930 --> 01:10:43,470
|
|||
|
I mean,
|
|||
|
the news was completely about that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1215
|
|||
|
01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:46,640
|
|||
|
You know that the state troopers
|
|||
|
and everybody were poised
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1216
|
|||
|
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,560
|
|||
|
on the top looking and
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1217
|
|||
|
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,480
|
|||
|
it was all about these rumors
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1218
|
|||
|
01:10:52,650 --> 01:10:56,950
|
|||
|
that the prisoners were castrating
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1219
|
|||
|
01:10:56,950 --> 01:11:01,450
|
|||
|
the hostages,
|
|||
|
that they were torturing them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1220
|
|||
|
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,540
|
|||
|
And it's going to end in bloodshed.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1221
|
|||
|
01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:08,960
|
|||
|
And that was the storyline
|
|||
|
that was terrifying, people.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1222
|
|||
|
01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:11,170
|
|||
|
Could you turn around
|
|||
|
this way to the camera?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1223
|
|||
|
01:11:11,170 --> 01:11:13,710
|
|||
|
I think I did a few interviews
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1224
|
|||
|
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,170
|
|||
|
and the people were
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1225
|
|||
|
01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:20,760
|
|||
|
made it very clear
|
|||
|
that these are bad people in there and
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1226
|
|||
|
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:23,430
|
|||
|
they shouldn't be doing this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1227
|
|||
|
01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:25,600
|
|||
|
You know, they should be taken care of.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1228
|
|||
|
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,850
|
|||
|
You know what I mean?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1229
|
|||
|
01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:28,770
|
|||
|
And hang them and
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1230
|
|||
|
01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:29,940
|
|||
|
crazy stuff.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1231
|
|||
|
01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:32,310
|
|||
|
I mean, they're just really crazy.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1232
|
|||
|
01:11:32,690 --> 01:11:35,190
|
|||
|
It was a very hostile environment.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1233
|
|||
|
01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:36,400
|
|||
|
And I just
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1234
|
|||
|
01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:39,110
|
|||
|
don't I
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1235
|
|||
|
01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:42,990
|
|||
|
don't think that Jaime,
|
|||
|
I'll stick up your hand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1236
|
|||
|
01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:47,080
|
|||
|
I'm a father of eight children
|
|||
|
and my boy is the oldest,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1237
|
|||
|
01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:50,580
|
|||
|
and I wouldn't
|
|||
|
want to see any one of them die.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1238
|
|||
|
01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:52,580
|
|||
|
Whatever he is going to die,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1239
|
|||
|
01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:55,840
|
|||
|
I want that whole damn thing
|
|||
|
bound right to hell. OK.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1240
|
|||
|
01:11:57,010 --> 01:12:00,510
|
|||
|
And while we're talking went
|
|||
|
on, the state police
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1241
|
|||
|
01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:04,050
|
|||
|
kept reinforcing
|
|||
|
at least 500 men in and out of the wall.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1242
|
|||
|
01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:08,100
|
|||
|
No indication that any of this force
|
|||
|
will be used at the police already.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1243
|
|||
|
01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:09,940
|
|||
|
Well, any
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1244
|
|||
|
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:15,230
|
|||
|
time you went in and out of the prison,
|
|||
|
there was an army
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1245
|
|||
|
01:12:15,690 --> 01:12:21,780
|
|||
|
and they were armed
|
|||
|
with every conceivable type of weapon .
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1246
|
|||
|
01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:25,120
|
|||
|
And it really looked like
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1247
|
|||
|
01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:28,370
|
|||
|
they wanted to use those weapons.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1248
|
|||
|
01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:31,540
|
|||
|
You had the sense of their anger
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1249
|
|||
|
01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:33,580
|
|||
|
and they've been held back and
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1250
|
|||
|
01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:39,090
|
|||
|
they wanted to move.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1251
|
|||
|
01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:42,760
|
|||
|
They wanted to to to attack.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1252
|
|||
|
01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,890
|
|||
|
Yeah, they were very impatient,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1253
|
|||
|
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:51,440
|
|||
|
very unhappy.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1254
|
|||
|
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:56,940
|
|||
|
They were all thrown into a situation
|
|||
|
in which they are not prepared for
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1255
|
|||
|
01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:01,450
|
|||
|
and about which
|
|||
|
they had basically an animosity.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1256
|
|||
|
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:06,160
|
|||
|
And I wish to
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1257
|
|||
|
01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,040
|
|||
|
would any of the men that a lot us off
|
|||
|
the roof?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1258
|
|||
|
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:14,210
|
|||
|
Adobe that group is out of here because
|
|||
|
if you get these shaky guy shooting off
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1259
|
|||
|
01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:18,340
|
|||
|
or getting up, and all of a sudden
|
|||
|
somebody is going to get excited
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1260
|
|||
|
01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:21,720
|
|||
|
and then we're all going to say now,
|
|||
|
this is not a joke.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1261
|
|||
|
01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:23,130
|
|||
|
This is not
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1262
|
|||
|
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:26,760
|
|||
|
some kind of a little tea party
|
|||
|
we've got here.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1263
|
|||
|
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,350
|
|||
|
And I just hope that the commissioner
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1264
|
|||
|
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:32,480
|
|||
|
and the other people in the committee
|
|||
|
that they've gathered together
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1265
|
|||
|
01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:36,980
|
|||
|
can come up with a solution
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1266
|
|||
|
01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:39,860
|
|||
|
to solve these people's problems
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1267
|
|||
|
01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:40,820
|
|||
|
and ours.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1268
|
|||
|
01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:42,690
|
|||
|
Thank you very much.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1269
|
|||
|
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:49,700
|
|||
|
Late Sunday afternoon,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1270
|
|||
|
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:53,290
|
|||
|
Commissioner Oswald
|
|||
|
and the officials were prepared
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1271
|
|||
|
01:13:53,620 --> 01:13:57,040
|
|||
|
and intended to retaking.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1272
|
|||
|
01:13:57,670 --> 01:14:00,340
|
|||
|
But I pressed Israel to agree
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1273
|
|||
|
01:14:01,130 --> 01:14:03,590
|
|||
|
to give them until 7:00 on Monday
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1274
|
|||
|
01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:05,970
|
|||
|
morning, by Sunday morning,
|
|||
|
everything else had failed.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1275
|
|||
|
01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:12,640
|
|||
|
And so the the the final shot
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1276
|
|||
|
01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:15,850
|
|||
|
was going to be
|
|||
|
to try to get the Roc-A-Fella.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1277
|
|||
|
01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:21,230
|
|||
|
And there was there was a committee
|
|||
|
of people put together to do that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1278
|
|||
|
01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:22,610
|
|||
|
Good morning.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1279
|
|||
|
01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,780
|
|||
|
We wanted four friends of the governor
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1280
|
|||
|
01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:29,450
|
|||
|
to call him and please as your friend.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1281
|
|||
|
01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:33,950
|
|||
|
Let me ask you to come to Attica,
|
|||
|
not to meet with the prisoners,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1282
|
|||
|
01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:37,960
|
|||
|
but to come and lay your hand
|
|||
|
on approving these measures,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1283
|
|||
|
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,460
|
|||
|
Sergeant Cunningham.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1284
|
|||
|
01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:42,550
|
|||
|
Now, would you give us a message
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1285
|
|||
|
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,130
|
|||
|
for Governor Nelson Rockefeller?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1286
|
|||
|
01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:47,590
|
|||
|
I certainly would.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1287
|
|||
|
01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:51,100
|
|||
|
one of the recommendations is
|
|||
|
and he said, No, I'm dead.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1288
|
|||
|
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,310
|
|||
|
I and some of my fellow members
|
|||
|
of the Service Committee felt
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1289
|
|||
|
01:14:55,310 --> 01:15:00,440
|
|||
|
very strongly that if Governor Rockefeller
|
|||
|
were to come to and identify
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1290
|
|||
|
01:15:00,650 --> 01:15:04,400
|
|||
|
with finding a solution,
|
|||
|
it might have broken the logjam.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1291
|
|||
|
01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:09,200
|
|||
|
So I placed the call, the governor
|
|||
|
Rockefeller, somewhere around 3:00.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1292
|
|||
|
01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:13,030
|
|||
|
Governor, what about your
|
|||
|
personal feelings right now?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1293
|
|||
|
01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:15,790
|
|||
|
On one level, it was a Hail Mary.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1294
|
|||
|
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:18,790
|
|||
|
On the other level
|
|||
|
it was more than a Hail Mary.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1295
|
|||
|
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:21,130
|
|||
|
These were prominent people.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1296
|
|||
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01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:27,970
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People
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that you would think Rockefeller respected
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1297
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01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:33,050
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making a sincere pitch come up here,
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you don't have to go in.
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1298
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01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:37,270
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You don't have to agree to anything
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your presence will have mean.
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1299
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01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:41,310
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Maybe if he came, that would be an opening
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1300
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01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:45,030
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that would have allowed us to negotiate.
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1301
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01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:45,690
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Maybe.
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1302
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01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:47,900
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Some other
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1303
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01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,410
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negotiators could be brought in
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who would help the negotiation,
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1304
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01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:55,080
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maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.
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1305
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01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,960
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But no known donor or man.
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1306
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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,040
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Death, death, death, death.
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1307
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01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:05,130
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Prisoners had been demanding from the very
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beginning that I come into the yard,
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1308
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01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:09,090
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and I frankly felt
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that the idea of governors
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1309
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01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:14,010
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any time there was an uprising
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or any time there was a prisoner
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1310
|
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01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:18,640
|
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taken on a prisoner, but a hostage
|
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|
taking being involved in the negotiation,
|
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|
1311
|
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|
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,140
|
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|
the next thing would be, we don't want
|
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|
the governor, we want the president,
|
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|
|
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|
1312
|
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|
01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:24,900
|
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|
and we get to a situation
|
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|
with an impossible one for this country.
|
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|
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|
1313
|
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|
01:16:24,980 --> 01:16:28,190
|
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|
By the time they spoke to him,
|
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|
he had made up his mind.
|
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|
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|
1314
|
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|
01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:31,990
|
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|
He listened carefully,
|
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|
he listened politely.
|
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|
|
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|
1315
|
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|
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:35,120
|
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|
But by then, he had made up his mind.
|
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|
|
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|
1316
|
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|
01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,750
|
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|
We didn't understand the background of us
|
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|
|
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|
1317
|
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|
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:44,960
|
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|
having consulted on an ongoing basis
|
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|
during those days with the White House,
|
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|
|
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|
1318
|
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|
01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:49,170
|
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|
the administration in Washington
|
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|
encouraged Rockey
|
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|
|
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|
1319
|
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|
01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:51,590
|
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|
to take a strong hard line position,
|
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|
|
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|
1320
|
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|
01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:54,550
|
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|
which was unfortunate.
|
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|
|
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|
1321
|
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|
01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,220
|
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|
It was all a part of President Nixon's
|
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|
law and order agenda.
|
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|
|
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|
1322
|
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|
01:16:58,810 --> 01:17:01,480
|
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|
They were putting the pressure
|
|||
|
yesterday on me all day
|
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|
|
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|
1323
|
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|
01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,270
|
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|
to go up there and it up
|
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|
because everything else had failed.
|
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|
|
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|
1324
|
|||
|
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:06,480
|
|||
|
And did you go?
|
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|
|
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|
1325
|
|||
|
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,530
|
|||
|
Of course not. Of course not.
|
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|
|
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|
1326
|
|||
|
01:17:08,530 --> 01:17:09,480
|
|||
|
But I had the time.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1327
|
|||
|
01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,860
|
|||
|
Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1328
|
|||
|
01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,950
|
|||
|
Because he was on the phone.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1329
|
|||
|
01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:19,290
|
|||
|
With Richard Nixon.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1330
|
|||
|
01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:24,290
|
|||
|
Rockefeller wanted to be president.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1331
|
|||
|
01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:26,130
|
|||
|
But the word on him was that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1332
|
|||
|
01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:28,300
|
|||
|
he was too soft on crime.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1333
|
|||
|
01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:31,420
|
|||
|
Where was he recommending amnesty?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1334
|
|||
|
01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:32,090
|
|||
|
Oh, yes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1335
|
|||
|
01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:35,760
|
|||
|
Oh God, I tell you, is
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1336
|
|||
|
01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,970
|
|||
|
this was the great this is separated
|
|||
|
the sheep from the goats.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1337
|
|||
|
01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:46,310
|
|||
|
And if he wanted the support of Nixon
|
|||
|
and the Republican Party, then
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1338
|
|||
|
01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:49,820
|
|||
|
he needs to go along.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1339
|
|||
|
01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:52,440
|
|||
|
And so he wouldn't come.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1340
|
|||
|
01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:59,120
|
|||
|
You know, not that Rockefeller
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1341
|
|||
|
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,330
|
|||
|
wasn't coming in.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1342
|
|||
|
01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:05,080
|
|||
|
It's like slamming the door on you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1343
|
|||
|
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,790
|
|||
|
You know, I slammed the door
|
|||
|
and we were locked in this room
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1344
|
|||
|
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:10,800
|
|||
|
and we didn't know what to do.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1345
|
|||
|
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,720
|
|||
|
You were to a great degree,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1346
|
|||
|
01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,550
|
|||
|
despondent
|
|||
|
that we had no solution to this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1347
|
|||
|
01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:20,310
|
|||
|
We didn't know what to do.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1348
|
|||
|
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:23,640
|
|||
|
Made one last chance
|
|||
|
to convince the inmates
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1349
|
|||
|
01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,350
|
|||
|
to surrender.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1350
|
|||
|
01:18:30,610 --> 01:18:33,070
|
|||
|
That last night, Cell Block D.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1351
|
|||
|
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,200
|
|||
|
As we were trying to negotiate.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1352
|
|||
|
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:41,490
|
|||
|
Demands that we thought.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1353
|
|||
|
01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:44,200
|
|||
|
But realistic.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1354
|
|||
|
01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,960
|
|||
|
Was. A come to Jesus moment.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1355
|
|||
|
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,300
|
|||
|
This is what you wanted the demands.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1356
|
|||
|
01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,550
|
|||
|
This is what we were able to achieve.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1357
|
|||
|
01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:01,300
|
|||
|
This is where we stand now.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1358
|
|||
|
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:06,390
|
|||
|
I'm not going to mislead you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1359
|
|||
|
01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:08,600
|
|||
|
And believe
|
|||
|
that you can get anything better.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1360
|
|||
|
01:19:09,650 --> 01:19:11,560
|
|||
|
I do not believe you can get
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1361
|
|||
|
01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,150
|
|||
|
anything better.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1362
|
|||
|
01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:16,280
|
|||
|
I think we have to make
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1363
|
|||
|
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,820
|
|||
|
a peaceful accommodation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1364
|
|||
|
01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:24,490
|
|||
|
Ready to be shot down like dogs.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1365
|
|||
|
01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:28,540
|
|||
|
I said this is what we achieved. OK.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1366
|
|||
|
01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:32,420
|
|||
|
And turn around, look,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1367
|
|||
|
01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:36,550
|
|||
|
cellblock, then you see all those guns
|
|||
|
there, just waiting to kill us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1368
|
|||
|
01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:38,050
|
|||
|
They want to kill us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1369
|
|||
|
01:19:38,050 --> 01:19:41,050
|
|||
|
Do you understand that they want to show
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1370
|
|||
|
01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:44,010
|
|||
|
that they have the power
|
|||
|
from the barrel of a gun?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1371
|
|||
|
01:19:44,060 --> 01:19:45,520
|
|||
|
That's what they want to do.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1372
|
|||
|
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,270
|
|||
|
Oh God, I don't know
|
|||
|
what's happening to me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1373
|
|||
|
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,310
|
|||
|
We were warned by the observers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1374
|
|||
|
01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:55,230
|
|||
|
that if we didn't settle,
|
|||
|
even without the amnesty,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1375
|
|||
|
01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:59,200
|
|||
|
they were going to come in
|
|||
|
and it could get very bad.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1376
|
|||
|
01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:05,660
|
|||
|
And of course, we talked among ourselves,
|
|||
|
and we just couldn't
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1377
|
|||
|
01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:09,460
|
|||
|
go without the amnesty
|
|||
|
because it would have been literally
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1378
|
|||
|
01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:11,670
|
|||
|
sending all our leaders.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1379
|
|||
|
01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:15,960
|
|||
|
To the dogs to be
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1380
|
|||
|
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,720
|
|||
|
tortured, murdered.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1381
|
|||
|
01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:21,930
|
|||
|
Convicted of crimes and
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1382
|
|||
|
01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:23,970
|
|||
|
who knows what else, we had observed
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1383
|
|||
|
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:28,850
|
|||
|
the organization
|
|||
|
and preparation of the troopers to enter.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1384
|
|||
|
01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:31,850
|
|||
|
Hundreds of them with their shotguns
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1385
|
|||
|
01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:35,610
|
|||
|
just outside the immediate
|
|||
|
area of the yard.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1386
|
|||
|
01:20:36,190 --> 01:20:40,820
|
|||
|
We witness the stationing of sharpshooters
|
|||
|
on one of the ledges
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1387
|
|||
|
01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,320
|
|||
|
looking down into DAAD.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1388
|
|||
|
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,740
|
|||
|
Fear overtook the observers committee.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1389
|
|||
|
01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:54,170
|
|||
|
It seemed like they felt
|
|||
|
something was going to happen.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1390
|
|||
|
01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:56,340
|
|||
|
They were more.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1391
|
|||
|
01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,300
|
|||
|
Hesitant to leave,
|
|||
|
they left with a solemn mood.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1392
|
|||
|
01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:02,510
|
|||
|
He left us with a solemn like.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1393
|
|||
|
01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:07,600
|
|||
|
But is this better, just take care.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1394
|
|||
|
01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:12,480
|
|||
|
I remember seeing them leave, and,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1395
|
|||
|
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:16,400
|
|||
|
you know,
|
|||
|
it was a scary moment to see them leaving,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1396
|
|||
|
01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:18,980
|
|||
|
you know,
|
|||
|
knowing that there wasn't coming back.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1397
|
|||
|
01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:23,400
|
|||
|
I remember
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1398
|
|||
|
01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,910
|
|||
|
Big Black saying, I want to thank you
|
|||
|
for what you guys tried to do.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1399
|
|||
|
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:30,790
|
|||
|
We really appreciate it.
|
|||
|
So there was a lot of that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1400
|
|||
|
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,290
|
|||
|
When we went out of
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1401
|
|||
|
01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:36,670
|
|||
|
that yard that night.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1402
|
|||
|
01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:38,500
|
|||
|
There were tears.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1403
|
|||
|
01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:40,420
|
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|
Tears.
|
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|
|
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|
1404
|
|||
|
01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:45,010
|
|||
|
And I think all of us were hoping
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1405
|
|||
|
01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:47,140
|
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|
that something happened
|
|||
|
at the last minute.
|
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|
|
|||
|
1406
|
|||
|
01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:49,430
|
|||
|
Stop it.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1407
|
|||
|
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,270
|
|||
|
I felt complete failure,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1408
|
|||
|
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:57,650
|
|||
|
a failure that I had let them down.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1409
|
|||
|
01:21:59,730 --> 01:22:03,110
|
|||
|
one of the most painful things.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1410
|
|||
|
01:22:03,190 --> 01:22:06,160
|
|||
|
As inmates begin to.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1411
|
|||
|
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,450
|
|||
|
Hand me
|
|||
|
written notes, the telephone number.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1412
|
|||
|
01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:14,080
|
|||
|
Of their of their
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1413
|
|||
|
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,540
|
|||
|
next of kin.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1414
|
|||
|
01:22:16,460 --> 01:22:18,790
|
|||
|
In case they didn't make it OK.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1415
|
|||
|
01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:21,090
|
|||
|
They wanted me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1416
|
|||
|
01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:24,050
|
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|
They they I mean, a couple of them
|
|||
|
looked me in the eye with tears
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1417
|
|||
|
01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:27,300
|
|||
|
for the Jones, but I don't make it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1418
|
|||
|
01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:28,930
|
|||
|
You're going to call right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1419
|
|||
|
01:22:28,930 --> 01:22:31,260
|
|||
|
I said, You have my word.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1420
|
|||
|
01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:34,350
|
|||
|
I will call you
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1421
|
|||
|
01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:38,690
|
|||
|
any way optimistic that this thing
|
|||
|
could be settled by tomorrow.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1422
|
|||
|
01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:42,530
|
|||
|
I think I'm much too tired to be either
|
|||
|
optimistic or pessimistic at this moment.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1423
|
|||
|
01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:44,860
|
|||
|
I'm kind of just freaked out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1424
|
|||
|
01:22:56,540 --> 01:22:58,290
|
|||
|
Randall, I know
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1425
|
|||
|
01:22:58,370 --> 01:23:00,920
|
|||
|
it didn't stop ran until about
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1426
|
|||
|
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960
|
|||
|
six in the morning.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1427
|
|||
|
01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,760
|
|||
|
Cold Mountain, right?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1428
|
|||
|
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:12,390
|
|||
|
And we were not prepared
|
|||
|
for those little hunches that we had the
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1429
|
|||
|
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:15,600
|
|||
|
that people had built a yard up
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1430
|
|||
|
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,020
|
|||
|
in every day,
|
|||
|
all alone started collapsing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1431
|
|||
|
01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,060
|
|||
|
And you had to get on
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1432
|
|||
|
01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:25,820
|
|||
|
solid ground concrete and huddled together
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1433
|
|||
|
01:23:26,110 --> 01:23:29,200
|
|||
|
because everybody was shivering
|
|||
|
and everything else.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1434
|
|||
|
01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,830
|
|||
|
It was a miserable night,
|
|||
|
one of the miserable nights
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1435
|
|||
|
01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:35,040
|
|||
|
I ever spent in my life.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1436
|
|||
|
01:23:37,620 --> 01:23:40,920
|
|||
|
I could feel the tension in the air,
|
|||
|
the tension was so strong
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1437
|
|||
|
01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:43,880
|
|||
|
that I could just basically grab it
|
|||
|
and hold on to it
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1438
|
|||
|
01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:46,170
|
|||
|
. Am I going to make it?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1439
|
|||
|
01:23:46,170 --> 01:23:48,630
|
|||
|
Am I going to to this?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1440
|
|||
|
01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:53,760
|
|||
|
And that tension was so strong I could touch it, I could cut improperly in my hand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1441
|
|||
|
01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:59,310
|
|||
|
There was an air.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1442
|
|||
|
01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:06,110
|
|||
|
We've been out there for about four days.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1443
|
|||
|
01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:08,610
|
|||
|
Wake up that morning and it's
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1444
|
|||
|
01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:11,070
|
|||
|
wet and dreary out there,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1445
|
|||
|
01:24:11,070 --> 01:24:14,450
|
|||
|
and you could always smell the fumes
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1446
|
|||
|
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,200
|
|||
|
of Guy's body
|
|||
|
in that trench that we dug in the yard.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1447
|
|||
|
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,250
|
|||
|
You use the bathroom.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1448
|
|||
|
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:22,960
|
|||
|
Right there in front of You
|
|||
|
Breathe initiative nowadays,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1449
|
|||
|
01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,960
|
|||
|
so you want out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1450
|
|||
|
01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:30,260
|
|||
|
What was really bad?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1451
|
|||
|
01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,260
|
|||
|
People's moods was that way, and
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1452
|
|||
|
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:34,510
|
|||
|
it was crowded.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1453
|
|||
|
01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:37,020
|
|||
|
It started to rain a little bit.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1454
|
|||
|
01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:38,140
|
|||
|
You know, it was dog.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1455
|
|||
|
01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:40,850
|
|||
|
The sky was dark gray.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1456
|
|||
|
01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:44,650
|
|||
|
We heard that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1457
|
|||
|
01:24:44,650 --> 01:24:46,770
|
|||
|
we would be part of a medical evacuation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1458
|
|||
|
01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:50,530
|
|||
|
And early on Monday morning,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1459
|
|||
|
01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:52,950
|
|||
|
we loaded into trucks
|
|||
|
and headed for Attica prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1460
|
|||
|
01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:58,450
|
|||
|
In the three years
|
|||
|
that I was in the National Guard,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1461
|
|||
|
01:24:58,450 --> 01:25:02,580
|
|||
|
I had not seen any kind of action
|
|||
|
in which violence was involved.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1462
|
|||
|
01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:05,500
|
|||
|
But we had a sense of dread,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1463
|
|||
|
01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:08,210
|
|||
|
and we had a wish
|
|||
|
that we could kind of not go.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1464
|
|||
|
01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:12,760
|
|||
|
And there was the hope,
|
|||
|
even at the last minute, that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1465
|
|||
|
01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:15,970
|
|||
|
by some miracle, maybe
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1466
|
|||
|
01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:19,390
|
|||
|
Rockefeller would intervene.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1467
|
|||
|
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,730
|
|||
|
His refusal to come
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1468
|
|||
|
01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:25,860
|
|||
|
here is a monstrosity, because what he is
|
|||
|
saying is kill these men.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1469
|
|||
|
01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:27,940
|
|||
|
I have no concern.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1470
|
|||
|
01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:31,240
|
|||
|
All I want to do
|
|||
|
is assault, law and order,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1471
|
|||
|
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,990
|
|||
|
and I think that's a rotten
|
|||
|
in exchange for life.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1472
|
|||
|
01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:37,580
|
|||
|
And we got to the prison
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1473
|
|||
|
01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:41,830
|
|||
|
and saw the lines of state troopers
|
|||
|
and deputies
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1474
|
|||
|
01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:45,540
|
|||
|
with their raincoats
|
|||
|
on and their weapons in hand.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1475
|
|||
|
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:47,920
|
|||
|
They looked exhausted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1476
|
|||
|
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,300
|
|||
|
They had been there, many of them
|
|||
|
for a couple of days at least,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1477
|
|||
|
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,260
|
|||
|
and they really didn't look up to the
|
|||
|
task that was given to them.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1478
|
|||
|
01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:05,350
|
|||
|
He was coming in, you could tell.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1479
|
|||
|
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:08,270
|
|||
|
You can see them starting to get
|
|||
|
more people I wasn't able to count on.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1480
|
|||
|
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:11,730
|
|||
|
What I saw was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1481
|
|||
|
01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:18,870
|
|||
|
We got another matches
|
|||
|
to put up on that table committee, there's
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1482
|
|||
|
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:22,750
|
|||
|
going to be rubber bullets
|
|||
|
and I say that's what that's
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1483
|
|||
|
01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:24,960
|
|||
|
what the word was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1484
|
|||
|
01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:29,960
|
|||
|
I thought they were going to be
|
|||
|
a real old fashioned game for you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1485
|
|||
|
01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,380
|
|||
|
David, you want to call it,
|
|||
|
you know them versus us.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1486
|
|||
|
01:26:32,630 --> 01:26:33,800
|
|||
|
They've got the crowd.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1487
|
|||
|
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,680
|
|||
|
We've got a few bats and stuff in here,
|
|||
|
so we're going to
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1488
|
|||
|
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,640
|
|||
|
best guy win.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1489
|
|||
|
01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,350
|
|||
|
We started making preparations
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1490
|
|||
|
01:26:44,350 --> 01:26:47,350
|
|||
|
and putting Vaseline
|
|||
|
on every part of our body
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1491
|
|||
|
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:50,570
|
|||
|
that could be exposed to gas
|
|||
|
and get burnt and stuff like that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1492
|
|||
|
01:26:51,730 --> 01:26:53,900
|
|||
|
padding ourselves with clothes.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1493
|
|||
|
01:26:57,820 --> 01:26:58,780
|
|||
|
Somebody saying
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1494
|
|||
|
01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:01,410
|
|||
|
if they come in here,
|
|||
|
then that's good because I know my sheik.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1495
|
|||
|
01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,120
|
|||
|
It became apparent to me
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1496
|
|||
|
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,540
|
|||
|
that the situation
|
|||
|
was seriously deteriorating
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1497
|
|||
|
01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:13,250
|
|||
|
and that the inmates,
|
|||
|
many of whom are confined to this maximum
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1498
|
|||
|
01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:17,220
|
|||
|
security facility
|
|||
|
under light and long sentences.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1499
|
|||
|
01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:21,640
|
|||
|
We're not going to participate
|
|||
|
in a reasonable negotiation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1500
|
|||
|
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,770
|
|||
|
Tensions within the walls
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1501
|
|||
|
01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:27,230
|
|||
|
have steadily increased.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1502
|
|||
|
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:29,480
|
|||
|
The action now underway
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1503
|
|||
|
01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:31,770
|
|||
|
was initiated with extreme reluctance
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1504
|
|||
|
01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:36,240
|
|||
|
only after all, attempts to achieve
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1505
|
|||
|
01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:40,820
|
|||
|
a peaceful solution failed.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1506
|
|||
|
01:27:40,990 --> 01:27:43,240
|
|||
|
We were told that our mission
|
|||
|
was protection
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1507
|
|||
|
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,120
|
|||
|
for the medical battalion
|
|||
|
during the commander's briefing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1508
|
|||
|
01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:49,460
|
|||
|
We were told that to our knowledge,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1509
|
|||
|
01:27:50,170 --> 01:27:52,840
|
|||
|
the inmates had no guns.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1510
|
|||
|
01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,090
|
|||
|
They had Spears.
|
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|
|
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|
1511
|
|||
|
01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:56,340
|
|||
|
They had some knives.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1512
|
|||
|
01:27:56,340 --> 01:27:59,380
|
|||
|
They had pipes
|
|||
|
that they were using as clubs.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1513
|
|||
|
01:28:00,010 --> 01:28:02,390
|
|||
|
But that was the extent of the threat.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1514
|
|||
|
01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:05,390
|
|||
|
So we knew that going in for,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1515
|
|||
|
01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,930
|
|||
|
you know, 5:00 a.m.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1516
|
|||
|
01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:11,440
|
|||
|
September 13, we're on the roof of a block
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1517
|
|||
|
01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,980
|
|||
|
waiting for the assault to begin.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1518
|
|||
|
01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,360
|
|||
|
This is a team of 270 rifle shooters.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1519
|
|||
|
01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:22,530
|
|||
|
The center of our pictures, men
|
|||
|
distributing
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1520
|
|||
|
01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:24,830
|
|||
|
baseball bats to the other prisoners.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1521
|
|||
|
01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:28,250
|
|||
|
We had no guns. We had no real weapons.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1522
|
|||
|
01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:32,630
|
|||
|
We had bullshit pieces of stick
|
|||
|
or a piece of iron
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1523
|
|||
|
01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,210
|
|||
|
or shank
|
|||
|
that somebody made up on the sidewalk.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1524
|
|||
|
01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:40,380
|
|||
|
It was. It was pathetic.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1525
|
|||
|
01:28:40,380 --> 01:28:45,100
|
|||
|
Just four days, almost to the minute
|
|||
|
after the convict insurrection started,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1526
|
|||
|
01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:49,060
|
|||
|
state police reinforced by sheriff's
|
|||
|
deputies, National Guardsmen
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1527
|
|||
|
01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:54,610
|
|||
|
and correctional officers moving in on
|
|||
|
the prison time is 150 5:00 p.m.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1528
|
|||
|
01:28:54,610 --> 01:29:00,070
|
|||
|
We're on the roof of C Block
|
|||
|
looking at a detail of 270 marksmen
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1529
|
|||
|
01:29:00,610 --> 01:29:03,860
|
|||
|
with instructions
|
|||
|
to clear the catwalks upon command.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1530
|
|||
|
01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:06,660
|
|||
|
They took some of the
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1531
|
|||
|
01:29:06,660 --> 01:29:12,120
|
|||
|
hostages on top of the catwalks,
|
|||
|
which is on top of the hallways,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1532
|
|||
|
01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:17,670
|
|||
|
and some of the inmates held knives to the
|
|||
|
to their neck as a result.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1533
|
|||
|
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,800
|
|||
|
In an effort to try to stop the assault,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1534
|
|||
|
01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,220
|
|||
|
the hostages are armed with knives
|
|||
|
with their throats.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1535
|
|||
|
01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,680
|
|||
|
It was all just to show.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1536
|
|||
|
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,350
|
|||
|
The try to get them to say, Oh,
|
|||
|
wait a minute, it's my cousin, my brother.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1537
|
|||
|
01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:34,100
|
|||
|
All he's got.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1538
|
|||
|
01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:38,150
|
|||
|
We were hopeful that if they saw this,
|
|||
|
they would back off
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1539
|
|||
|
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,610
|
|||
|
and try to renegotiate
|
|||
|
so they could protect their own people.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1540
|
|||
|
01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:47,660
|
|||
|
The notion of sending
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1541
|
|||
|
01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:49,990
|
|||
|
in correctional officers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1542
|
|||
|
01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:53,000
|
|||
|
who didn't love the prisoners
|
|||
|
to begin with
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1543
|
|||
|
01:29:53,790 --> 01:29:58,420
|
|||
|
and state police who were stressed
|
|||
|
out was a serious miscalculation,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1544
|
|||
|
01:29:58,420 --> 01:30:02,210
|
|||
|
somebody should have said, wait a second,
|
|||
|
wait a second, these people are on edge.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1545
|
|||
|
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,430
|
|||
|
There is hostility
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1546
|
|||
|
01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:11,520
|
|||
|
and it's going to get out of control.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1547
|
|||
|
01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:15,480
|
|||
|
We know that now, did we know that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1548
|
|||
|
01:30:16,020 --> 01:30:17,940
|
|||
|
in real time?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1549
|
|||
|
01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:21,480
|
|||
|
I guess not.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1550
|
|||
|
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:27,110
|
|||
|
I seen this as a glorious fight.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1551
|
|||
|
01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:30,660
|
|||
|
They would come in with batons
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1552
|
|||
|
01:30:30,660 --> 01:30:35,580
|
|||
|
and stuff like that,
|
|||
|
and we would be fighting the brave battle
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1553
|
|||
|
01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:39,090
|
|||
|
with baseball bats and stuff like that, I.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1554
|
|||
|
01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:52,010
|
|||
|
I did.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1555
|
|||
|
01:30:57,730 --> 01:31:00,440
|
|||
|
I just never expected.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1556
|
|||
|
01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:03,650
|
|||
|
The the coverage through
|
|||
|
what actually happened,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1557
|
|||
|
01:31:03,650 --> 01:31:04,990
|
|||
|
I'm sorry.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1558
|
|||
|
01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:23,840
|
|||
|
Helicopter, two helicopters and a.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1559
|
|||
|
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,260
|
|||
|
We're talking now going overhead
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1560
|
|||
|
01:31:30,260 --> 01:31:33,260
|
|||
|
and over the wall into the prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1561
|
|||
|
01:31:34,350 --> 01:31:37,350
|
|||
|
It just disquieted,
|
|||
|
and Sky was getting dark,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1562
|
|||
|
01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:40,100
|
|||
|
and then we heard
|
|||
|
the helicopters does a dance.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1563
|
|||
|
01:31:40,810 --> 01:31:43,230
|
|||
|
This is fucking strange.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1564
|
|||
|
01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,780
|
|||
|
The helicopter comes up over the wall
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1565
|
|||
|
01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,820
|
|||
|
and it's hovering over the yard.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1566
|
|||
|
01:31:54,740 --> 01:31:56,120
|
|||
|
I seen this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1567
|
|||
|
01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,960
|
|||
|
I thought it was a monster.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1568
|
|||
|
01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,290
|
|||
|
It was a helicopter, a green helicopter.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1569
|
|||
|
01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:02,000
|
|||
|
It was flying low.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1570
|
|||
|
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,630
|
|||
|
You see this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1571
|
|||
|
01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:12,760
|
|||
|
It's like a sickly green gas with.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1572
|
|||
|
01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:15,640
|
|||
|
Sparkly stuff, minute coming down.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1573
|
|||
|
01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:18,810
|
|||
|
It tightens your chest.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1574
|
|||
|
01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,440
|
|||
|
Where you can hardly breathe.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1575
|
|||
|
01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,650
|
|||
|
That gas knocked me down.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1576
|
|||
|
01:32:24,190 --> 01:32:26,730
|
|||
|
Oh, what that was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1577
|
|||
|
01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:29,110
|
|||
|
And they had me so weak I could not.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1578
|
|||
|
01:32:29,860 --> 01:32:32,990
|
|||
|
Your eyes are just all burning,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1579
|
|||
|
01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:35,450
|
|||
|
your nose is burning,
|
|||
|
your mouth is burning.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1580
|
|||
|
01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:43,830
|
|||
|
I mean,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1581
|
|||
|
01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:45,420
|
|||
|
we are.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1582
|
|||
|
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,220
|
|||
|
And you got on the microphone,
|
|||
|
everybody in D-Block, yeah.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1583
|
|||
|
01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:54,760
|
|||
|
Put your hands in the air.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1584
|
|||
|
01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,390
|
|||
|
And you are not behind.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1585
|
|||
|
01:32:56,390 --> 01:33:01,020
|
|||
|
Go to the nearest police officer
|
|||
|
and you will not be home.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1586
|
|||
|
01:33:01,270 --> 01:33:04,440
|
|||
|
You would not be home. We will not be.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1587
|
|||
|
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,690
|
|||
|
You would not be here for that was.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1588
|
|||
|
01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,160
|
|||
|
Do just ended up
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1589
|
|||
|
01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,500
|
|||
|
doing this to get blown away.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1590
|
|||
|
01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:24,210
|
|||
|
They blew his head off and then.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1591
|
|||
|
01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:28,170
|
|||
|
Has all of a sudden
|
|||
|
there was all this popping all around us
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1592
|
|||
|
01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:31,130
|
|||
|
and all these little pops
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1593
|
|||
|
01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:34,930
|
|||
|
all around us were actually bullets.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1594
|
|||
|
01:33:35,890 --> 01:33:40,560
|
|||
|
Oh, and you could really see
|
|||
|
because the CO2 public first heard
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1595
|
|||
|
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,730
|
|||
|
you blah, that you can hear the boom
|
|||
|
going by your ear.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1596
|
|||
|
01:33:49,150 --> 01:33:52,320
|
|||
|
The hostages can't be seen in any.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1597
|
|||
|
01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:57,320
|
|||
|
I'm trying to stay on the ground
|
|||
|
as long as possible,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1598
|
|||
|
01:33:58,490 --> 01:34:00,660
|
|||
|
just like
|
|||
|
they were shooting down the barrel
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1599
|
|||
|
01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:04,500
|
|||
|
and they started shooting
|
|||
|
point blank range, blowing guys away .
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1600
|
|||
|
01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:08,090
|
|||
|
I got shot in the arm up there right
|
|||
|
through the back macroeconomist on.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1601
|
|||
|
01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,680
|
|||
|
I I felt something.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1602
|
|||
|
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,310
|
|||
|
Go to my head,
|
|||
|
it must go, and it was burning,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1603
|
|||
|
01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:22,770
|
|||
|
no was shot.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1604
|
|||
|
01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:26,190
|
|||
|
I felt something hit my arm
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1605
|
|||
|
01:34:26,190 --> 01:34:28,810
|
|||
|
and we're all numb and realized needed.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1606
|
|||
|
01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:31,940
|
|||
|
I got shot in the arm
|
|||
|
about two inches from my heart
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1607
|
|||
|
01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:36,360
|
|||
|
and also a one to a football helmet
|
|||
|
on Spanish food.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1608
|
|||
|
01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,700
|
|||
|
Now the guard is up on the catwalk.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1609
|
|||
|
01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:44,120
|
|||
|
He jumps out with a hammer
|
|||
|
and throws it up and it hits the catwalk.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1610
|
|||
|
01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:49,040
|
|||
|
And you can hear the sound clip
|
|||
|
and all of them turn looked at him,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1611
|
|||
|
01:34:49,130 --> 01:34:53,590
|
|||
|
and all of them turn their guns
|
|||
|
on a brutal dashboard body.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1612
|
|||
|
01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,260
|
|||
|
I'm assuming that you guys got anywhere
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1613
|
|||
|
01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:59,180
|
|||
|
from 20 to 50 shots
|
|||
|
because his body was doing like that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1614
|
|||
|
01:34:59,180 --> 01:35:00,640
|
|||
|
I'd never seen no shit like that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1615
|
|||
|
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,640
|
|||
|
Not as a nasty shoot in the street.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1616
|
|||
|
01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:03,560
|
|||
|
I'd never seen them. I did.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1617
|
|||
|
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,020
|
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|
I mean.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1618
|
|||
|
01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:12,940
|
|||
|
This was a holiday for the.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1619
|
|||
|
01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:16,070
|
|||
|
We got no guns to shoot back.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1620
|
|||
|
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:16,650
|
|||
|
You know what?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1621
|
|||
|
01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:21,030
|
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|
It is a shoe store man and it's a shoe,
|
|||
|
but that's just a holiday
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1622
|
|||
|
01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:24,040
|
|||
|
slow motion and all it was
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1623
|
|||
|
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,620
|
|||
|
that was save money.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1624
|
|||
|
01:35:27,620 --> 01:35:30,170
|
|||
|
That's what
|
|||
|
they will follow to each other.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1625
|
|||
|
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:32,130
|
|||
|
I was scared.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1626
|
|||
|
01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:35,760
|
|||
|
I've done bad things,
|
|||
|
but I never did this bad.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1627
|
|||
|
01:35:36,170 --> 01:35:37,260
|
|||
|
As no.
|
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|
|
|||
|
1628
|
|||
|
01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,640
|
|||
|
These guys are real fucking cold blooded
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1629
|
|||
|
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,260
|
|||
|
killers and shit.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1630
|
|||
|
01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:47,480
|
|||
|
Until that moment came,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1631
|
|||
|
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,110
|
|||
|
what is killing really started,
|
|||
|
and I realize that
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1632
|
|||
|
01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:55,610
|
|||
|
you're not that fucking bad guy, no more,
|
|||
|
man, there's more power with his words
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1633
|
|||
|
01:35:55,610 --> 01:35:58,780
|
|||
|
new, every bullet that missed by me,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1634
|
|||
|
01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:01,160
|
|||
|
if he could move.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1635
|
|||
|
01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:05,410
|
|||
|
Close to me, I winced,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1636
|
|||
|
01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:09,160
|
|||
|
then all of a sudden, it just stopped.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1637
|
|||
|
01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:25,430
|
|||
|
There are
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1638
|
|||
|
01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:28,680
|
|||
|
people throwing off their smoke gear.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1639
|
|||
|
01:36:29,230 --> 01:36:31,440
|
|||
|
They ran out
|
|||
|
screaming niggers, niggers, niggers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1640
|
|||
|
01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,400
|
|||
|
and two of them pointed their guns at me.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1641
|
|||
|
01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:38,190
|
|||
|
Negative niggers.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1642
|
|||
|
01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:40,280
|
|||
|
And I said, Don't shoot, don't shoot.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1643
|
|||
|
01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,320
|
|||
|
Don't shoot.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1644
|
|||
|
01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,200
|
|||
|
Well, I'm coughing with all the gas.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1645
|
|||
|
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,790
|
|||
|
I've been gassed.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1646
|
|||
|
01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:48,750
|
|||
|
It's an awful thing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1647
|
|||
|
01:36:48,750 --> 01:36:50,540
|
|||
|
William Kunstler
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1648
|
|||
|
01:36:51,540 --> 01:36:54,380
|
|||
|
has said that people are dying in there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1649
|
|||
|
01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,550
|
|||
|
And I agree with that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1650
|
|||
|
01:36:59,050 --> 01:37:03,390
|
|||
|
But that people are dying
|
|||
|
and then a shooting went on forever
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1651
|
|||
|
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:07,220
|
|||
|
and then it was like the shooting subsided
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1652
|
|||
|
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,890
|
|||
|
and then I heard some.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1653
|
|||
|
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:15,400
|
|||
|
After the shooting subsided,
|
|||
|
I heard some single shot
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1654
|
|||
|
01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:18,650
|
|||
|
bang and bang.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1655
|
|||
|
01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:30,040
|
|||
|
After they took over the prison,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1656
|
|||
|
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,660
|
|||
|
all those books
|
|||
|
that had been speaking to the cameras
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1657
|
|||
|
01:37:34,170 --> 01:37:37,170
|
|||
|
were all targeted and tortured.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1658
|
|||
|
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,840
|
|||
|
So yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1659
|
|||
|
01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:45,050
|
|||
|
Andy Barclay.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1660
|
|||
|
01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,220
|
|||
|
They were calling his name.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1661
|
|||
|
01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:50,600
|
|||
|
Going to that, Bob, looking for him
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1662
|
|||
|
01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:54,100
|
|||
|
and threatening him
|
|||
|
with what they were going to do to him.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1663
|
|||
|
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,320
|
|||
|
When they when they found him
|
|||
|
and they found him,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1664
|
|||
|
01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:00,860
|
|||
|
he was yelling.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1665
|
|||
|
01:38:01,530 --> 01:38:03,990
|
|||
|
No, no, but it's too fucking late.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1666
|
|||
|
01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:07,070
|
|||
|
They had him do acting, actually
|
|||
|
dragging him towards a
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1667
|
|||
|
01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:10,370
|
|||
|
block far yard over there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1668
|
|||
|
01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:13,080
|
|||
|
He's Holland new agreement and the acuity.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1669
|
|||
|
01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:27,590
|
|||
|
You can see because the gas is so thick,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1670
|
|||
|
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:31,220
|
|||
|
but all of a sudden a puff of wind comes
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1671
|
|||
|
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,390
|
|||
|
and disperses the gas.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1672
|
|||
|
01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:37,560
|
|||
|
And then I could see.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1673
|
|||
|
01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,650
|
|||
|
And what I saw was fright.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1674
|
|||
|
01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:44,150
|
|||
|
Hundreds of bodies just laying there.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1675
|
|||
|
01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:47,950
|
|||
|
Some were moaning, some wasn't moving.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1676
|
|||
|
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,740
|
|||
|
Blood was everywhere.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1677
|
|||
|
01:38:55,710 --> 01:39:00,040
|
|||
|
We were given stretchers
|
|||
|
and told to go into the prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1678
|
|||
|
01:39:01,170 --> 01:39:03,260
|
|||
|
It was really an unthinkable scene.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1679
|
|||
|
01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:06,130
|
|||
|
It was dead and wounded and simply
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1680
|
|||
|
01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:08,890
|
|||
|
starting to carry them out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1681
|
|||
|
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:12,140
|
|||
|
It was far beyond anything
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1682
|
|||
|
01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:15,310
|
|||
|
I had imagined when they said
|
|||
|
we would be doing medical evacuation.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1683
|
|||
|
01:39:16,230 --> 01:39:18,980
|
|||
|
We were basically civilians
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1684
|
|||
|
01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:22,110
|
|||
|
put into a situation where state troopers
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1685
|
|||
|
01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:24,530
|
|||
|
and correctional officers
|
|||
|
had created a war zone.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1686
|
|||
|
01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:31,120
|
|||
|
There was a pile of bodies,
|
|||
|
maybe eight or ten people,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1687
|
|||
|
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,160
|
|||
|
and the man on top,
|
|||
|
it had his eyes shot out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1688
|
|||
|
01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:57,600
|
|||
|
Right below us,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1689
|
|||
|
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,230
|
|||
|
there was a huge pool of rainwater
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1690
|
|||
|
01:40:01,060 --> 01:40:03,400
|
|||
|
and it was blood red.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1691
|
|||
|
01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:07,070
|
|||
|
And I looked down on down at it
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1692
|
|||
|
01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,070
|
|||
|
and they said, Those are false
|
|||
|
teeth down there, aren't they?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1693
|
|||
|
01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:13,910
|
|||
|
And somebody said, Yeah.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1694
|
|||
|
01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:18,710
|
|||
|
The attitude of the people
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1695
|
|||
|
01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:20,830
|
|||
|
who should have been concerned
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1696
|
|||
|
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:24,420
|
|||
|
about what had happened
|
|||
|
was simply that they were
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1697
|
|||
|
01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:28,010
|
|||
|
pleased with what had happened
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1698
|
|||
|
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:31,220
|
|||
|
and had no qualms or second thoughts
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1699
|
|||
|
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,470
|
|||
|
or anything but satisfaction
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1700
|
|||
|
01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:37,640
|
|||
|
with Walker wants to go back to.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1701
|
|||
|
01:40:42,810 --> 01:40:45,230
|
|||
|
Why white power weight,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1702
|
|||
|
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,400
|
|||
|
right, right?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1703
|
|||
|
01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:56,120
|
|||
|
They had control.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1704
|
|||
|
01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:58,410
|
|||
|
And once they had control, you would think
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1705
|
|||
|
01:40:58,410 --> 01:41:00,830
|
|||
|
that things would have stopped.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1706
|
|||
|
01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,250
|
|||
|
They didn't.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1707
|
|||
|
01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:09,590
|
|||
|
It was clear that at that point
|
|||
|
it was all about revenge.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1708
|
|||
|
01:41:10,130 --> 01:41:12,930
|
|||
|
It was all about reestablishing
|
|||
|
who was in charge.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1709
|
|||
|
01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:16,680
|
|||
|
And the most violent ways possible.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1710
|
|||
|
01:41:24,270 --> 01:41:26,940
|
|||
|
Everybody had to crawl through shit,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1711
|
|||
|
01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:29,230
|
|||
|
human waste.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1712
|
|||
|
01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:33,660
|
|||
|
But what do you do?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1713
|
|||
|
01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:37,120
|
|||
|
Do you live to tell your story
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1714
|
|||
|
01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,450
|
|||
|
like I'm doing today
|
|||
|
or do you fucking die?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1715
|
|||
|
01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:41,200
|
|||
|
I made a choice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1716
|
|||
|
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,540
|
|||
|
I want to live.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1717
|
|||
|
01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,460
|
|||
|
Chrome nickel chrome
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1718
|
|||
|
01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:50,550
|
|||
|
for like a dog.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1719
|
|||
|
01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:58,720
|
|||
|
If you look up, nigga,
|
|||
|
I'll blow your motherfucking brains out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1720
|
|||
|
01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,270
|
|||
|
What the
|
|||
|
fuck they care about calling you a nigger?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1721
|
|||
|
01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:06,310
|
|||
|
That was your name.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1722
|
|||
|
01:42:07,150 --> 01:42:08,440
|
|||
|
They had us marching
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1723
|
|||
|
01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:10,820
|
|||
|
around the yard with our with our hands
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1724
|
|||
|
01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:13,900
|
|||
|
interlocked like this on top of our heads,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1725
|
|||
|
01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,110
|
|||
|
abject surrender.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1726
|
|||
|
01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:30,420
|
|||
|
When I saw these naked bodies
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1727
|
|||
|
01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:35,300
|
|||
|
lined up, snaked around the area,
|
|||
|
it reminded me
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1728
|
|||
|
01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:40,970
|
|||
|
of portrayals of of African-Americans
|
|||
|
being heard it on the slave ships.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1729
|
|||
|
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,390
|
|||
|
That was just horrendous, just horrible,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1730
|
|||
|
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,520
|
|||
|
horrible.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1731
|
|||
|
01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:58,280
|
|||
|
We're next in the middle of fucking yard.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1732
|
|||
|
01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,160
|
|||
|
God's going around with like baby bats.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1733
|
|||
|
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:06,120
|
|||
|
It was seven remote guys
|
|||
|
as I'm laying here and I'm hoping
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1734
|
|||
|
01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,420
|
|||
|
they don't come my way.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1735
|
|||
|
01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:24,020
|
|||
|
Frank Schmidt,
|
|||
|
Big Black, was put on a table
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1736
|
|||
|
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:27,690
|
|||
|
with the football under his throat.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1737
|
|||
|
01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,190
|
|||
|
People stood up above him on the catwalk,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1738
|
|||
|
01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:37,450
|
|||
|
aiming their guns down at him,
|
|||
|
throwing cigars and cigaret butts on him
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1739
|
|||
|
01:43:39,070 --> 01:43:39,740
|
|||
|
. And
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1740
|
|||
|
01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:43,080
|
|||
|
it said, Do said football falls, nigger,
|
|||
|
we're going to shoot you.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1741
|
|||
|
01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:49,170
|
|||
|
He was told to get to his feet.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1742
|
|||
|
01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:52,130
|
|||
|
He tried, he stumbled, he fell.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1743
|
|||
|
01:43:52,130 --> 01:43:54,170
|
|||
|
He was hit with clubs
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1744
|
|||
|
01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:56,670
|
|||
|
on his back between his legs.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1745
|
|||
|
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,260
|
|||
|
And he was crying out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1746
|
|||
|
01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:03,050
|
|||
|
You know, don't do this. Don't do this.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1747
|
|||
|
01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,600
|
|||
|
And then you could hear him screaming as
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1748
|
|||
|
01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,600
|
|||
|
he went up to the prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1749
|
|||
|
01:44:14,110 --> 01:44:16,570
|
|||
|
It felt good
|
|||
|
that I had survived this shit.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1750
|
|||
|
01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:19,990
|
|||
|
And now I got a look out
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1751
|
|||
|
01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:24,200
|
|||
|
because some motion is coming.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1752
|
|||
|
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:30,170
|
|||
|
The inmates were entering
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1753
|
|||
|
01:44:30,170 --> 01:44:32,710
|
|||
|
these corridors off of the yard
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1754
|
|||
|
01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:36,380
|
|||
|
and the guards were like
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1755
|
|||
|
01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:38,840
|
|||
|
five or six feet apart with their clubs
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1756
|
|||
|
01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:43,640
|
|||
|
and they would hit them against the wall
|
|||
|
and there was just this
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1757
|
|||
|
01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,770
|
|||
|
dull drum like sound.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1758
|
|||
|
01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:50,310
|
|||
|
And then they were hitting the inmates
|
|||
|
as they ran a gantlet.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1759
|
|||
|
01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:57,400
|
|||
|
We could hear the screams coming out
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1760
|
|||
|
01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,990
|
|||
|
so that we knew they were being tortured
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1761
|
|||
|
01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:05,330
|
|||
|
and that we were somehow
|
|||
|
part of this unthinkable scene
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1762
|
|||
|
01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:09,080
|
|||
|
that there was no escaping from
|
|||
|
but was completely wrong.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1763
|
|||
|
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,090
|
|||
|
They had guards on both sides,
|
|||
|
and they would be hitting you
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1764
|
|||
|
01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:17,840
|
|||
|
as you were running through beating you
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1765
|
|||
|
01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,800
|
|||
|
with hoses and batons
|
|||
|
and whatever they had in their hands.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1766
|
|||
|
01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:24,140
|
|||
|
I'm ducking, trying to get through,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1767
|
|||
|
01:45:24,140 --> 01:45:27,760
|
|||
|
protecting my head,
|
|||
|
so I hit all of my all the elbows.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1768
|
|||
|
01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,140
|
|||
|
My knees still hurt, beating you
|
|||
|
and they're making you run
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1769
|
|||
|
01:45:32,140 --> 01:45:33,230
|
|||
|
through the gantlet with it,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1770
|
|||
|
01:45:33,230 --> 01:45:36,190
|
|||
|
took all the glass out the fucking windows
|
|||
|
and put it in the middle of the floor.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1771
|
|||
|
01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,480
|
|||
|
So you had to run through grass
|
|||
|
with bare feet.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1772
|
|||
|
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,940
|
|||
|
Nobody came out of that yard.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1773
|
|||
|
01:45:40,940 --> 01:45:46,030
|
|||
|
What with picking without having to pick
|
|||
|
a shot of your feet for four weeks?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1774
|
|||
|
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:51,370
|
|||
|
Couldn't walk, nobody could walk anymore.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1775
|
|||
|
01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:53,460
|
|||
|
But we had to run
|
|||
|
because if you didn't run,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1776
|
|||
|
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,500
|
|||
|
they just kept beating you
|
|||
|
with these clubs.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1777
|
|||
|
01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:08,810
|
|||
|
The families of the hostages,
|
|||
|
a lot of them waited
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1778
|
|||
|
01:46:08,810 --> 01:46:12,560
|
|||
|
just outside the prison wall.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1779
|
|||
|
01:46:14,980 --> 01:46:17,360
|
|||
|
Then news began to filter out of Attica.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1780
|
|||
|
01:46:17,690 --> 01:46:20,900
|
|||
|
Names of freed hostages
|
|||
|
were called out to the loved one
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1781
|
|||
|
01:46:21,070 --> 01:46:23,990
|
|||
|
by Curtis Lieutenant Colonel
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1782
|
|||
|
01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:25,160
|
|||
|
Robert
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1783
|
|||
|
01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:26,740
|
|||
|
Elder.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1784
|
|||
|
01:46:29,950 --> 01:46:31,750
|
|||
|
Some didn't see their men come out.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1785
|
|||
|
01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:33,580
|
|||
|
All they learned
|
|||
|
was the name of the hospital
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1786
|
|||
|
01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:35,370
|
|||
|
where the survivors were being treated.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1787
|
|||
|
01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:36,790
|
|||
|
There were no time to wait.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1788
|
|||
|
01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:40,210
|
|||
|
They ran off to see their man.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1789
|
|||
|
01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:44,670
|
|||
|
People couldn't seem to run fast enough.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1790
|
|||
|
01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:51,510
|
|||
|
My mom came home
|
|||
|
and she was with her sister,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1791
|
|||
|
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:53,730
|
|||
|
and my mom was crying, obviously upset.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1792
|
|||
|
01:46:57,150 --> 01:46:59,110
|
|||
|
I was outside sitting on the front porch,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1793
|
|||
|
01:46:59,110 --> 01:47:02,230
|
|||
|
you know, praying and worrying,
|
|||
|
and where's dad?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1794
|
|||
|
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,070
|
|||
|
I respect him to show up, you know, and.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1795
|
|||
|
01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:09,070
|
|||
|
I again, my mom was dead.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1796
|
|||
|
01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:11,870
|
|||
|
What's what's
|
|||
|
why are you crying, what's going on?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1797
|
|||
|
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:15,830
|
|||
|
Well, my mother came back in the house
|
|||
|
and, you know, he
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1798
|
|||
|
01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:19,210
|
|||
|
she said, nobody to play with me
|
|||
|
now, are you?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1799
|
|||
|
01:47:19,210 --> 01:47:22,500
|
|||
|
I mean, you know,
|
|||
|
because I didn't want to believe it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1800
|
|||
|
01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:26,630
|
|||
|
And she finally said, I saw him.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1801
|
|||
|
01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:29,090
|
|||
|
I saw him.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1802
|
|||
|
01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:33,520
|
|||
|
Finally,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1803
|
|||
|
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,480
|
|||
|
she blurted out, Your father's dead.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1804
|
|||
|
01:47:37,810 --> 01:47:39,270
|
|||
|
So it ran.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1805
|
|||
|
01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,610
|
|||
|
We're in for a while, and I came back
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1806
|
|||
|
01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:49,910
|
|||
|
and I was sitting on the front porch
|
|||
|
trying to be strong and not cry.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1807
|
|||
|
01:47:49,950 --> 01:47:53,030
|
|||
|
And I could hear everybody in the house
|
|||
|
crying
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1808
|
|||
|
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:55,620
|
|||
|
and I was trying to be so tough and.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1809
|
|||
|
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:04,880
|
|||
|
All right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1810
|
|||
|
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:06,630
|
|||
|
Yeah, right.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1811
|
|||
|
01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:24,690
|
|||
|
The National Guardsmen
|
|||
|
were told to get back in their trucks,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1812
|
|||
|
01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:28,110
|
|||
|
and we did that
|
|||
|
and were taken out to the parking area.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1813
|
|||
|
01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,660
|
|||
|
And the colonel then addressed
|
|||
|
the battalion, maybe several hundred men,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1814
|
|||
|
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,370
|
|||
|
and he said, essentially you saw things
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1815
|
|||
|
01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:40,080
|
|||
|
that were excessive and wrong today.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1816
|
|||
|
01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,250
|
|||
|
And I have to ask you
|
|||
|
not to speak of this to anyone
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1817
|
|||
|
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:48,630
|
|||
|
because the world will not understand
|
|||
|
what happened here today.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1818
|
|||
|
01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:54,550
|
|||
|
The most violent
|
|||
|
rebellion in modern American penal history
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1819
|
|||
|
01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:58,020
|
|||
|
came to an end today at the maximum
|
|||
|
security prison in New York.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1820
|
|||
|
01:48:58,310 --> 01:49:01,310
|
|||
|
In the final hours of the revolt,
|
|||
|
led primarily by blacks,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1821
|
|||
|
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,110
|
|||
|
the inmates murdered
|
|||
|
nine of their white hostages.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1822
|
|||
|
01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:05,860
|
|||
|
28 convicts were killed
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1823
|
|||
|
01:49:05,860 --> 01:49:09,150
|
|||
|
by state troopers, and sheriff's deputies
|
|||
|
will regain control of the prison.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1824
|
|||
|
01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:12,820
|
|||
|
The storming of the prison had the full
|
|||
|
approval of New York's governor,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1825
|
|||
|
01:49:12,820 --> 01:49:17,370
|
|||
|
Rockefeller, who earlier had rejected
|
|||
|
a prisoner demand for complete clemency.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1826
|
|||
|
01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:22,080
|
|||
|
The White House said that after the prison
|
|||
|
was retaken, President Nixon telephoned
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1827
|
|||
|
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,340
|
|||
|
the governor to express his approval
|
|||
|
of Rockefeller's action.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1828
|
|||
|
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,920
|
|||
|
We went in we couldn't tell whether all 39
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1829
|
|||
|
01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,090
|
|||
|
hostages would be killed
|
|||
|
and maybe two or 300 prisoners.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1830
|
|||
|
01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:35,970
|
|||
|
So we were able to pick off
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1831
|
|||
|
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,640
|
|||
|
either
|
|||
|
from the wall or as our men went in.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1832
|
|||
|
01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:41,940
|
|||
|
The man who had the
|
|||
|
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1833
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01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:44,400
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knives at the throat of the hostages
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1834
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01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:48,320
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and they did a fabulous job.
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1835
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01:49:48,610 --> 01:49:50,740
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I mean, this is this
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1836
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01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:53,950
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are these primarily blacks?
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1837
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01:49:53,950 --> 01:49:56,820
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Know, and the whole thing
|
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was led by the black cabinet,
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1838
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01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:59,080
|
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are all the All Blacks?
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1839
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01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:04,870
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|
I haven't got that report,
|
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|
but I have to admit I just out.
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1840
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01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,290
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Yeah, yeah, we've got to have any.
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1841
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01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:10,420
|
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|
We just not tolerate this kind of
|
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1842
|
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01:50:11,630 --> 01:50:12,590
|
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|
anarchy.
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1843
|
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|
01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:20,640
|
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|
Yesterday, officials at the prison said
|
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|
1844
|
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|
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,560
|
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|
eight of the hostages
|
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|
had had their throats cut.
|
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|
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|
1845
|
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|
01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:26,730
|
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|
But today,
|
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|
the Monroe County medical examiner,
|
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|
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|
1846
|
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|
01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:30,280
|
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|
having looked at the bodies, said no
|
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|
throats were cut at all.
|
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|
|
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|
1847
|
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|
01:50:30,860 --> 01:50:35,530
|
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|
The medical examiner says the hostages
|
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|
were apparently killed by a large caliber
|
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|
|
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|
1848
|
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|
01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:38,620
|
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|
ammunition
|
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|
and shotgun blasts from a distance,
|
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|
|
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|
1849
|
|||
|
01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:42,660
|
|||
|
which immediately raised the possibility
|
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|
that some of the hostages may
|
|||
|
|
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|
1850
|
|||
|
01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:46,540
|
|||
|
in fact have been shot down
|
|||
|
by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them.
|
|||
|
|
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|
1851
|
|||
|
01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:50,590
|
|||
|
Some of the hostages were actually shot
|
|||
|
|
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|
1852
|
|||
|
01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:53,920
|
|||
|
running towards the state troopers
|
|||
|
thinking,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1853
|
|||
|
01:50:54,130 --> 01:50:57,140
|
|||
|
I'm saved, I'm saved.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1854
|
|||
|
01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:59,220
|
|||
|
And the hostages were dressed
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1855
|
|||
|
01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,970
|
|||
|
the same way the inmates were.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1856
|
|||
|
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:05,140
|
|||
|
Anything that inmate garb on it.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1857
|
|||
|
01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:07,980
|
|||
|
They just started shooting at.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1858
|
|||
|
01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:14,110
|
|||
|
What Rockefeller had done was treat.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1859
|
|||
|
01:51:15,190 --> 01:51:17,360
|
|||
|
The hostages
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1860
|
|||
|
01:51:17,950 --> 01:51:21,370
|
|||
|
as no more real live
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1861
|
|||
|
01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:26,290
|
|||
|
human beings who deserve to be respected
|
|||
|
than the prisoners.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1862
|
|||
|
01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:30,540
|
|||
|
And so you kill them all
|
|||
|
and you restore order
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1863
|
|||
|
01:51:31,090 --> 01:51:35,170
|
|||
|
and you make me into a major
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1864
|
|||
|
01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:38,510
|
|||
|
figure who believes in law and order
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1865
|
|||
|
01:51:39,010 --> 01:51:43,260
|
|||
|
at a time when that concept is beginning
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1866
|
|||
|
01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:46,890
|
|||
|
to really take hold.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1867
|
|||
|
01:52:08,670 --> 01:52:09,370
|
|||
|
We should have entered
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1868
|
|||
|
01:52:09,370 --> 01:52:11,960
|
|||
|
in a negotiated settlement.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1869
|
|||
|
01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:14,880
|
|||
|
No, they were they were interested
|
|||
|
in that, they were interested in showing.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1870
|
|||
|
01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:19,380
|
|||
|
The naked fist of power law and order.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1871
|
|||
|
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:24,140
|
|||
|
The national mindset of the nation
|
|||
|
was law and order.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1872
|
|||
|
01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:27,640
|
|||
|
And law and order does not permit.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1873
|
|||
|
01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:32,190
|
|||
|
Any challenge?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1874
|
|||
|
01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:35,150
|
|||
|
To his authority whatsoever.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1875
|
|||
|
01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:38,070
|
|||
|
God willing, a few more months in
|
|||
|
January will be 90 years old.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1876
|
|||
|
01:52:39,490 --> 01:52:42,200
|
|||
|
I will never, ever, ever, ever,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1877
|
|||
|
01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:44,830
|
|||
|
ever, ever, ever.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1878
|
|||
|
01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:47,330
|
|||
|
We get Atika.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1879
|
|||
|
01:52:47,620 --> 01:52:48,290
|
|||
|
Ever.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1880
|
|||
|
01:52:51,370 --> 01:52:54,710
|
|||
|
It didn't have to be that way.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1881
|
|||
|
01:53:38,630 --> 01:53:41,130
|
|||
|
All eight cases.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1882
|
|||
|
01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:45,140
|
|||
|
Died of gunshot wounds.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1883
|
|||
|
01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:48,180
|
|||
|
There was no evidence of slash throats.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1884
|
|||
|
01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:53,140
|
|||
|
We're sure
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1885
|
|||
|
01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:58,900
|
|||
|
your. The.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1886
|
|||
|
01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:11,910
|
|||
|
I have never received an apology.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1887
|
|||
|
01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:15,670
|
|||
|
I've never received an apology,
|
|||
|
and for me,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1888
|
|||
|
01:54:15,670 --> 01:54:17,670
|
|||
|
that's a pretty big deal.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1889
|
|||
|
01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:26,140
|
|||
|
What is money
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1890
|
|||
|
01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:29,140
|
|||
|
do when you don't have your dad
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1891
|
|||
|
01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:31,970
|
|||
|
or your brother or your uncle who?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1892
|
|||
|
01:54:34,690 --> 01:54:37,310
|
|||
|
How does that replace anything?
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1893
|
|||
|
01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:40,440
|
|||
|
And I think it was the state's
|
|||
|
way of saying,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1894
|
|||
|
01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:45,820
|
|||
|
we're going to give you this money
|
|||
|
and we want you to go away and.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1895
|
|||
|
01:54:49,580 --> 01:54:52,910
|
|||
|
This is my.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1896
|
|||
|
01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:55,710
|
|||
|
True.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1897
|
|||
|
01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:58,540
|
|||
|
Well, she.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1898
|
|||
|
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,880
|
|||
|
He threw
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1899
|
|||
|
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,930
|
|||
|
for nearly 30 years, former Attica
|
|||
|
inmates have waited for justice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1900
|
|||
|
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,350
|
|||
|
Today, it finally came in the form of a 12
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1901
|
|||
|
01:55:10,350 --> 01:55:12,970
|
|||
|
million dollar settlement.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1902
|
|||
|
01:55:14,350 --> 01:55:18,940
|
|||
|
Be. There's no justice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1903
|
|||
|
01:55:20,860 --> 01:55:22,900
|
|||
|
All we got was money
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1904
|
|||
|
01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:25,360
|
|||
|
and money wasn't enough.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1905
|
|||
|
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,070
|
|||
|
Then you can't justify all the killings
|
|||
|
that happened in Attica.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1906
|
|||
|
01:55:28,700 --> 01:55:30,410
|
|||
|
You can't justify that.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1907
|
|||
|
01:55:30,410 --> 01:55:31,450
|
|||
|
So there's no justice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1908
|
|||
|
01:55:31,450 --> 01:55:34,000
|
|||
|
There is no justice.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1909
|
|||
|
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,040
|
|||
|
We shall.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1910
|
|||
|
01:55:40,130 --> 01:55:43,630
|
|||
|
Be. And.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1911
|
|||
|
01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,300
|
|||
|
They might.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1912
|
|||
|
01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:53,430
|
|||
|
True.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1913
|
|||
|
01:55:55,060 --> 01:55:57,640
|
|||
|
Well, I'm sure.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1914
|
|||
|
01:55:58,770 --> 01:56:01,980
|
|||
|
Me, too,
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1915
|
|||
|
01:56:01,980 --> 01:56:04,530
|
|||
|
do so.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1916
|
|||
|
01:56:10,740 --> 01:56:12,910
|
|||
|
And. Be.
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1917
|
|||
|
01:56:21,210 --> 01:56:27,090
|
|||
|
You. Some
|
|||
|
|
|||
|
1918
|
|||
|
01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:45,860
|
|||
|
foolish. Oh.
|
|||
|
|