From ef6bdf1e81ac0b0badee174ac5f57ffb1ee8fead Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: dan Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2023 18:09:48 +0100 Subject: [PATCH] fino a 8m14s --- Attica.srt | 3634 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++-------------------------- 1 file changed, 1811 insertions(+), 1823 deletions(-) diff --git a/Attica.srt b/Attica.srt index 7fe0d47..ca4f640 100644 --- a/Attica.srt +++ b/Attica.srt @@ -464,92 +464,88 @@ ma i guai non sono ancora finiti. 108 00:07:11,936 --> 00:07:15,408 -got to deal with the hostages, -we hollered, +Quando siamo arrivati ad avere degli ostaggi 109 00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:20,800 -we got hostages and we had about 1000 +abbiamo urlato: +“Abbiamo degli ostaggi!”. 110 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,140 -men shouting at. +Un migliaio di persone che lo gridavano. 111 00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:33,600 -Indian hostages to keep the police coming -and drop in on us, got our hostages. +Avere degli ostaggi impedisce alla polizia +di attaccare. 112 -00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,270 -That's the only that's the only leverage. +00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,408 +Avere ostaggi è l'unico potere che hai. 113 -00:07:36,570 --> 00:07:41,400 -As long as they have the hostages, -they didn't have guns +00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,400 +Finché avevano gli ostaggi.. non avevano pistole 114 -00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,910 -and they didn't have this -and they didn't have that, +00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,990 +non avevano niente 115 00:07:44,950 --> 00:07:47,450 -but they had hostages. +ma avevano degli ostaggi. 116 00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:53,330 -And they're your people -and you were responsible for your people. +Uomini tuoi +e tu ne sei responsabile. 117 -00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:56,790 -You're responsible to protect your people +00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:56,890 +Hai la responsabilità di proteggere i tuoi 118 00:07:57,250 --> 00:08:00,420 -and do your job. +e devi fare il tuo lavoro. 119 -00:08:00,420 --> 00:08:02,800 -Sit down and negotiate with us +00:08:00,420 --> 00:08:03,840 +Siediti e negozia. 120 00:08:04,430 --> 00:08:07,720 -getting into the area -where the 21 hostages are being held +- Entrando nell'area dove sono tenuti i 21 ostaggi. 121 00:08:08,970 --> 00:08:14,600 -here in that main group room -because the prisoners +- Sono nel gruppo principale. Al centro. +Non riusciamo a distinguerli 122 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,940 -have taken their clothing away -and put prison clothes on. +perché i prigionieri gli han preso i vestiti. 123 -00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:23,780 +00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:24,928 They were blindfolded in a circle in the middle of the yard. 124 -00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:29,030 +00:08:24,976 --> 00:08:30,304 They also had guards, inmate guards that were around them, protecting them. 125 -00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,580 +00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,776 And we seen them as captives. 126 -00:08:33,580 --> 00:08:36,420 +00:08:33,968 --> 00:08:36,420 We seen as people who were in on the. 127 -00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,090 +00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,464 Our supervision. 128 @@ -571,25 +567,25 @@ It was decided. To allow the Muslim brothers. 132 -00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,850 +00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,776 To look out for them. 133 -00:08:56,850 --> 00:08:59,820 +00:08:57,952 --> 00:09:00,944 I was so mad at them for not letting us get to the police 134 -00:09:00,110 --> 00:09:02,820 +00:09:01,168 --> 00:09:02,820 because I wanted to put my hands someone I wanted to get wanted 135 -00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:04,900 +00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:05,824 to give them a very fuck them up. 136 -00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:07,110 +00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:07,110 These are the same politicians talking down to me, @@ -598,7744 +594,7736 @@ talking down to me, dirty to me and tell me, get over it. 138 -00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:12,750 +00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:14,320 So I said, Yeah, now what do you think about me now? 139 -00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:14,370 -Yeah, yeah. - -140 -00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:17,920 +00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:19,344 And the good thing that the Muslims just did because London police would have been -141 -00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,380 -on video. - -142 +140 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,800 It's hard for somebody that -143 +141 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,050 has never been incarcerated to understand how surreal -144 +142 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,230 everything is at this point in time, we nobody threatening us. -145 +143 00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:39,440 We had, you know, it sounds crazy, but it was when you had it a little bit, -146 +144 00:09:39,810 --> 00:09:43,610 even this much control over your own life, even for a short period. -147 +145 00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:46,990 You know, it's going to cost you, you know, in spades. -148 +146 00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:51,740 You know, it was a moment of exuberance. Of. -149 +147 00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:57,210 Somehow doing something to have some control over your own life, -150 +148 00:09:57,330 --> 00:10:06,470 you do it up, -151 +149 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,630 don't lose. -152 +150 00:10:14,770 --> 00:10:17,480 When you first got out, there was totally just gave it up. -153 +151 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:18,940 Guys are coming up. -154 +152 00:10:18,940 --> 00:10:21,810 Food, clothing, setting up tents. -155 +153 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,280 Oh, it's a festive time. -156 +154 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,650 We, we're free. -157 +155 00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:32,950 We came together as a community, -158 +156 00:10:32,950 --> 00:10:35,910 and that's when there was no such thing -159 +157 00:10:35,950 --> 00:10:39,670 as black, white, Hispanic, whatever it was about. -160 +158 00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:41,080 We are inmates -161 +159 00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:42,540 and we -162 +160 00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:45,840 need to be able to survive whatever's going on. -163 +161 00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:48,470 Oh, good. -164 +162 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,390 Come on, buddy. -165 +163 00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:55,350 So we're you -166 +164 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,310 to have, you know, what is it -167 +165 00:11:00,310 --> 00:11:02,480 we did about it? -168 +166 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,480 We die. -169 +167 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,360 Got we. -170 +168 00:11:08,990 --> 00:11:11,030 The guys that had been to Vietnam, -171 +169 00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:14,700 they said, let's make Hutchins, -172 +170 00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:17,330 who draws of ten kids, -173 +171 00:11:17,330 --> 00:11:20,830 took a stick and put a sheet over all of that, -174 +172 00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:25,460 and I was just sleeping quarters -175 +173 00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:29,760 by the time guys started -176 +174 00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:33,760 having to go to the bathroom. -177 +175 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,180 There was none will work -178 +176 00:11:36,180 --> 00:11:39,770 the crowd that had been to Vietnam and been in the army, they said. -179 +177 00:11:39,770 --> 00:11:41,940 We got to make that a train. -180 +178 00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:43,400 They knew the latrine was. -181 +179 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,400 I don't know what all the training was. -182 +180 00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:54,620 I'll give you a lap. -183 +181 00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:56,080 All right. All right. -184 +182 00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:58,540 Okay. I got to speak. -185 +183 00:11:58,540 --> 00:11:59,200 There was his -186 +184 00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:01,580 brother -187 +185 00:12:02,210 --> 00:12:04,830 and I said, Brother, he was white. -188 +186 00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:06,790 They call him tiny. -189 +187 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,510 And he was like a nurse before the article, before you happened -190 +188 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,050 to set up a medical section of New York. -191 +189 00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:19,350 For anybody who had any problems to go and in time you would take him -192 +190 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,770 and the medical attention in your eye -193 +191 00:12:23,770 --> 00:12:27,360 was much better than the medical tent you got throughout the years. -194 +192 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,980 Oh, and he had a good time. -195 +193 00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:34,700 He was making wine and cooking food outside. -196 +194 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,870 It was like a big picnic, like a chanty town. -197 +195 00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:39,540 You know, like that would belong. -198 +196 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:42,450 When in Buffalo Bill was out there, -199 +197 00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:45,870 have you ever watched Gunsmoke -200 +198 00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:46,540 the West? -201 +199 00:12:46,540 --> 00:12:51,420 Well, Matt, Matt Dillon was the show marshal at the Gunsmoke. -202 +200 00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:53,380 He kept order -203 +201 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,760 and we didn't have a map. -204 +202 00:12:57,430 --> 00:13:00,640 Every man was a law unto himself. -205 +203 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,600 He did whatever the hell you want to do. -206 +204 00:13:05,310 --> 00:13:07,480 There was no order. -207 +205 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,760 The assignment -208 +206 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,510 editor says there's this place called Attica and there's -209 +207 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,190 some prison riot up there and we want you to go up and do it. -210 +208 00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:49,480 We're not sure about any of what -211 +209 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,440 the details are specifically. -212 +210 00:13:52,940 --> 00:13:56,110 And off I went. -213 +211 00:13:57,070 --> 00:14:00,990 Up to Buffalo and then on to Attica. -214 +212 00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:07,870 This is John -215 +213 00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:10,500 Johnson, ABC News, Attica, New York. -216 +214 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,460 It was just an extremely -217 +215 00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:18,180 fluid situation, to say the least. -218 +216 00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:20,970 And it was hard to get information. -219 +217 00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:25,100 I mean, we couldn't get inside, and all we heard was -220 +218 00:14:25,390 --> 00:14:27,980 these inmates want to talk -221 +219 00:14:28,230 --> 00:14:31,520 and they have prisoners. -222 +220 00:14:31,730 --> 00:14:33,940 And this was something almost -223 +221 00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:36,780 that had never happened in history. -224 +222 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:41,280 This huge institution where the inmates have taken over. -225 +223 00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:42,740 Oh my goodness. -226 +224 00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:47,410 Atika, New York had never heard of Atika, New York. -227 +225 00:14:47,450 --> 00:14:49,160 What's an etiquette? -228 +226 00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:52,080 Quite frankly, I did not know what to expect -229 +227 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,250 when I got to Atika. -230 +228 00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:57,880 We parked right in front of the prison, -231 +229 00:14:58,170 --> 00:15:02,970 so consequently we just set up and started -232 +230 00:15:02,970 --> 00:15:05,810 filming as much as we possibly could -233 +231 00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:08,930 of the activities outside of the prison -234 +232 00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:12,940 . We had no idea what was happening inside. -235 +233 00:15:13,310 --> 00:15:18,320 Your instructions are that your weapon is not to be taken by you. -236 +234 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,150 To be taken, you're to meet force with force. -237 +235 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,330 There have been some of the prison personnel severely injured here -238 +236 00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:28,830 this morning, and we certainly don't want to see any right -239 +237 00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:29,870 people hurt. -240 +238 00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:34,790 The state police officers -241 +239 00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:38,010 were being handed out weapons. -242 +240 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,510 They were making sure they had gas masks. -243 +241 00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:47,390 It looked to me like they were ready to go in and retake the prison. -244 +242 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,100 The inmates circumstances, might you go inside? -245 +243 00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:52,640 Pardon me. -246 +244 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Might you go inside under some circumstances? -247 +245 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,230 Well, one doesn't know. I'll have to fill this out. -248 +246 00:15:57,270 --> 00:15:59,440 The inmates made any demands. one me. -249 +247 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,320 I don't know. -250 +248 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,820 They say that they only want to speak with the governor or me. -251 +249 00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,200 There seem to be some sense at the time -252 +250 00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:10,290 that we are going to have to negotiate something -253 +251 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,290 to save the lives of the hostages -254 +252 00:16:14,540 --> 00:16:18,250 because of the hostages that they have. -255 +253 00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:21,760 There's the possibility that negotiations -256 +254 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,380 will begin. -257 +255 00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:29,010 And we're looking at a man -258 +256 00:16:30,810 --> 00:16:34,270 using a loudspeaker on a bullhorn. -259 +257 00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:37,810 Well, -260 +258 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,360 there appears to be a large meeting going on in this area, -261 +259 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,410 although we can't hear anything from that section. -262 +260 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:47,870 That's right. -263 +261 00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:51,160 And inmates -264 +262 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,670 decided that, you know, they're in a situation that, -265 +263 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,090 you know, that required man a little bit more focus, -266 +264 00:16:58,630 --> 00:17:02,760 a little bit more discipline, how to combine the actual population. -267 +265 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,470 Who do you want to represent you? You -268 +266 00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:10,310 mean we had elections, blah blah blah. -269 +267 00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:13,480 That's where we got our leaders from. -270 +268 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:13,980 Hell. -271 +269 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,520 Now some guys have some juice in. -272 +270 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,020 They already. -273 +271 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,860 The guys that have been there, while -274 +272 00:17:20,860 --> 00:17:23,490 all other inmates respected -275 +273 00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:27,320 what they were saying made sense to most, everybody was in the yard. -276 +274 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,740 And they had a plan -277 +275 00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:34,120 and they had a plan about making things different for the prison system itself. -278 +276 00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:40,380 All we want is the basic necessities of being treated like human beings, -279 +277 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,340 even though we're in prison, we're human beings and stuff like that. -280 +278 00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:47,760 The prisoners -281 +279 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,640 in the yard must have had a radio. -282 +280 00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:53,680 They heard I was outside. -283 +281 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,770 So they ask for me to come in. -284 +282 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,690 I said, sure. -285 +283 00:17:59,150 --> 00:18:01,360 And they then said -286 +284 00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,490 we would like Commissioner Oswald to come in, and -287 +285 00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:08,280 some of his assistant -288 +286 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,200 said, Don't go, don't go that you can't trust them. -289 +287 00:18:13,330 --> 00:18:15,910 And Oswald said, Of course, I'm going to go in. -290 +288 00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:20,170 We are glad to have someone from the administration -291 +289 00:18:20,830 --> 00:18:23,590 point blank coming in and view it as fact, now -292 +290 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:26,550 we're making some kind of headway beginning here. -293 +291 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,430 We got some contact with somebody. -294 +292 00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:30,970 We've got some negotiations for you listening to us. -295 +293 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:34,810 I've never heard of this before negotiating -296 +294 00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:40,020 with inmates, and I just assume -297 +295 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,570 that this was going to be in a landmark moment in American history. -298 +296 00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:50,660 I thought that this was going to be negotiated -299 +297 00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:53,990 to a decent humanitarian end. -300 +298 00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:58,330 It seems to be a little misunderstanding about why. -301 +299 00:18:59,370 --> 00:19:01,540 This incident developed at Attica -302 +300 00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:04,090 in this declaration here will explain the reasons -303 +301 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,050 the entire incident that has erupted here, Adam, is not a result. -304 +302 00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:17,100 Well, in college towns and their factory towns, -305 +303 00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:20,560 there's all kinds of towns in this country and this is Attica, New York. -306 +304 00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:23,270 It's a prison town. -307 +305 00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:26,980 Most of the people in the village of Attica -308 +306 00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:29,650 make their living, working at the state prison -309 +307 00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:32,610 for 40 years. -310 +308 00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:35,160 Most have lived within sight of the prison wall. -311 +309 00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:37,990 They have never feared. -312 +310 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,460 The village of Attica -313 +311 00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:46,170 was a great place to live was -314 +312 00:19:47,460 --> 00:19:48,550 very typical. -315 +313 00:19:48,550 --> 00:19:50,970 I think small town -316 +314 00:19:50,970 --> 00:19:53,760 where you knew everyone, -317 +315 00:19:54,550 --> 00:19:56,760 you were related to probably half of the town. -318 +316 00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:02,270 We've ride our bikes through town, go to the park, -319 +317 00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:06,980 we go swimming at the public pool, we go hiking up in the woods. -320 +318 00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:13,450 Erica is a company town. -321 +319 00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:18,200 Many of the people who work there and have lived in our town -322 +320 00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:22,830 worked as either civilian employees or corrections officers at Attica. -323 +321 00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:27,920 My grandfather worked there. -324 +322 00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:30,800 My dad worked there. -325 +323 00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:32,590 And between six or -326 +324 00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:36,340 eight of the houses that were on our street had correctional officers -327 +325 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:39,560 or civilian individuals working in them with their families. -328 +326 00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:46,730 These were the only jobs in the area, -329 +327 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,610 dairy farming and the prisons. -330 +328 00:20:50,610 --> 00:20:54,450 So there was this culture clash that came together to Africa. -331 +329 00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:56,990 You had all white guards. -332 +330 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,990 And a population of prisoners, -333 +331 00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,580 there was 70 or more percent black and brown. -334 +332 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,420 What could go wrong? -335 +333 00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:15,590 And the reputation was called the last stop. -336 +334 00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:18,680 This was the most strict prison in the state of New York. -337 +335 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,640 It was known the word was dead -338 +336 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,850 that when you got there, you knew where he was in for a hard place. -339 +337 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,230 Last place, the last place, Attica was the last place -340 +338 00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:29,690 that was that was that that was last. -341 +339 00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:32,610 And you've got to really be there to see why -342 +340 00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,820 there was no, no black guards in Attica. -343 +341 00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:38,070 There was no Spanish guards. -344 +342 00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:41,990 They were all white people, man that come from the local neighborhoods -345 +343 00:21:42,540 --> 00:21:46,290 that don't know nothing about people who come from broken -346 +344 00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,920 people who come from Manhattan, people who come from the Bronx. -347 +345 00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:52,300 They don't know nothing about this culture. -348 +346 00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:55,720 Most of them don't even want to talk to you. -349 +347 00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:57,180 They're giving you just straight. -350 +348 00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:58,800 Don't talk to me. -351 +349 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,100 And it was like that Don't talk to me. -352 +350 00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,470 They were hit the state bar. -353 +351 00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:04,770 And this is a metal. -354 +352 00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:07,310 A metal tips that. -355 +353 00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:10,690 And it rings out, but and you walk -356 +354 00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:13,860 and then when they want you to stop, they said. But -357 +355 00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:16,950 that was their communication. -358 +356 00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:19,490 The only thing was right was being right -359 +357 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:21,700 and I mean it in all sincerity -360 +358 00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,330 where everybody was sort of like not so much mixing with other countries -361 +359 00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:27,910 would stand together for the purpose of the. -362 +360 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,250 Survival, -363 +361 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,960 I was white, so I got the best jobs. -364 +362 00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:36,970 I was always given a little bit -365 +363 00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:40,720 more leeway than the Blacks. -366 +364 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:45,020 I can get an extra meal if I want to one because I was a white guy. -367 +365 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,270 I'm a I'm a white guy, you know, give me a little extra. -368 +366 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,810 And I got it. -369 +367 00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:54,570 I always was able to manipulate the system -370 +368 00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,110 inside the prison because I was a white guy. -371 +369 00:22:57,690 --> 00:23:01,450 I'm almost ashamed to say that I took advantage of that back then, -372 +370 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,950 but it was the only way to survive. -373 +371 00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:07,330 It really, really was. -374 +372 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,670 A roll of toilet -375 +373 00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:20,050 paper would have to last you a month. -376 +374 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,970 You have to be a magician or tear up papers -377 +375 00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:27,270 out of the books and stuff like that to wipe your behind and stuff like that. -378 +376 00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:30,100 Guys were complaining about basically things like toothpaste. -379 +377 00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:32,810 Toilet paper. -380 +378 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,360 A change of sheets. -381 +379 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,320 More than once a month. -382 +380 00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,400 Things like digging clothes being cleaned. -383 +381 00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:43,160 Personal hygiene, things being treated like human beings. -384 +382 00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:49,120 No school program, Atika, was. -385 +383 00:23:49,330 --> 00:23:51,830 I can't describe it to me. -386 +384 00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:53,500 It was dead. -387 +385 00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:55,250 It was just dead. -388 +386 00:23:58,630 --> 00:24:01,300 There was no religious freedom, particularly -389 +387 00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:03,930 for the burgeoning Muslim movement. -390 +388 00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:07,560 They were denied the right to worship. -391 +389 00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:12,770 They were fed pork because the prison also had a farm where they raised pigs. -392 +390 00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:15,810 So that's what you god. -393 +391 00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:18,110 If it isn't $0.60 a day, -394 +392 00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:20,780 so that's $0.24 a meal. -395 +393 00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:24,320 If saw money on $0.21. -396 +394 00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:26,740 I swear to God, -397 +395 00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:29,660 one time I got my head opened up by God -398 +396 00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:32,620 and I was put into a segregation cell. -399 +397 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,880 And a doctor came, you know, -400 +398 00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,920 just out of I was bleeding all over. -401 +399 00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:42,380 So it's like they cracked my head wide open. -402 +400 00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:47,010 Put it over here, but they had a feeding hole in the cell. -403 +401 00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:49,640 And so I put it that he put a -404 +402 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,270 flashlight like, I swear to God, he hit me with the flashlight. -405 +403 00:24:54,020 --> 00:24:57,310 Right, right where the cut was. -406 +404 00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:59,860 And walked away. -407 +405 00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:06,950 They wait until everybody is locked up at night -408 +406 00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:09,870 and then they come for you, come for you as a goose. -409 +407 00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:15,960 These are the beat up police. -410 +408 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,210 These two guys, they come nine, ten. -411 +409 00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,250 Real big guys -412 +410 00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:25,630 with real big sticks when they come in and they beat you up in your show -413 +411 00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:29,050 and then they take, you say, gation and sometimes you don't come back. -414 +412 00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:30,930 Attica was. -415 +413 00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:34,770 It's. -416 +414 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,650 Fear they they ran the prison would fear. -417 +415 00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:44,570 Being scared of them were their means -418 +416 00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:47,280 of running a prison. -419 +417 00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:53,200 You either shut your mouth or you were in big trouble. -420 +418 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,370 Some people died. -421 +419 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,670 Somewhat crippled, somewhat psychologically damaged -422 +420 00:26:01,670 --> 00:26:05,630 for life. And. -423 +421 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,300 It was a bad place to be. -424 +422 00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:17,890 They wanted to to institute -425 +423 00:26:17,890 --> 00:26:20,650 and instill that fear and that they were in control, -426 +424 00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,320 even though they knew they were losing control. -427 +425 00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,740 My generation -428 +426 00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:30,240 that came into Annika at that time, -429 +427 00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:34,240 we felt that we was in broken Malabar as we wasn't -430 +428 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,460 shuffling our feet, we would walk with our heads up high. -431 +429 00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:39,920 We would talk in our own lingo. -432 +430 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:41,250 Who's your daddy? -433 +431 00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:43,000 That's what we were going to take. -434 +432 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920 Nothing from nobody. -435 +433 00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:47,340 We want to respect. -436 +434 00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:50,680 You had to give it to us, would you want to do or not? -437 +435 00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:54,220 I'd read Algiers Cleaver Soul on Ice. -438 +436 00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:59,390 Huey Newton and, you know, the path of Piety and George Jackson story. -439 +437 00:26:59,390 --> 00:27:00,810 I read all that stuff. -440 +438 00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:02,480 George Jackson was revolutionary. -441 +439 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,820 He's got to get busted for a ten dollar on gas station robbery and gang life. -442 +440 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,780 He ended up in the system in the soul of the prison. -443 +441 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,330 He showed us. And I mean us. -444 +442 00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:17,620 The younger guys that came into Attica -445 +443 00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:21,540 there was OK to say no. -446 +444 00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:24,170 It was OK to be rebellious. -447 +445 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,630 Understand they may be consequences to saying no. -448 +446 00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:31,970 But it was OK -449 +447 00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:35,010 and it was uplifting, it was uplifting. -450 +448 00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:39,430 I think racism is a controlled of control would -451 +449 00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:43,020 create an atmosphere whereby then -452 +450 00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:48,280 petroleum, of course, here in prison we see the repression -453 +451 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,570 and the exploitation, -454 +452 00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:53,530 the victimization of. -455 +453 00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:56,490 Lower class people's. -456 +454 00:27:56,660 --> 00:27:59,660 A lot of Black Panthers were coming to prison. -457 +455 00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:03,170 I started hanging out with them and they politicized me. -458 +456 00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:07,340 The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense calls upon the American people in general -459 +457 00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:11,510 and the black people in particular to take careful note of the racist. -460 +458 00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:15,220 Police agencies throughout the country are intensifying the terror, -461 +459 00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:18,470 brutality, murder and repression of black people. -462 +460 00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:23,810 Of course, you had black Muslims and his message to a black man really? -463 +461 00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,320 Well, a lot of guys that were in jail. -464 +462 00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:29,190 You want one thing? -465 +463 00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,860 We declare our right on this word -466 +464 00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:36,160 to be a man, to be a human being, to be respected, -467 +465 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,330 every human being, to be given the rights of a human being -468 +466 00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:44,000 in this society, on this Earth, and this day what we intend -469 +467 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,130 to bring into existence by any means in the city. -470 +468 00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:53,720 Officials at -471 +469 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,970 California's San Quentin Prison still are trying to piece together -472 +470 00:28:56,970 --> 00:29:00,680 exactly what happened and how inmate attempted prison break yesterday, -473 +471 00:29:00,970 --> 00:29:03,520 in which three convicts and three guards died. -474 +472 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:07,480 one of the dead convicts was George Jackson of the self-styled -475 +473 00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:10,190 Soledad Brothers. Jackson was 29. -476 +474 00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:12,820 Joy Jackson was that final straw? -477 +475 00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:14,200 I don't give a fuck no more. -478 +476 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,530 You're going to kill us anyway. -479 +477 00:29:15,530 --> 00:29:17,740 We can't get out when it's fucking cage. -480 +478 00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:18,950 So where we're going. -481 +479 00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:21,660 So if we're going to die, let's die as men. -482 +480 00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,540 And brother just got frustrated. -483 +481 00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,290 We'd go into the mess hall -484 +482 00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:31,880 with a black band on Iran. -485 +483 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,550 And just sit there, take a spoon when you come in. -486 +484 00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:36,880 Take no food. -487 +485 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,430 We didn't speak. -488 +486 00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:42,390 During the whole time, we didn't pick up any food. -489 +487 00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,440 That I think kind of alerted -490 +488 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,940 the institution that we are in solidarity. -491 +489 00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:52,190 They're probably seen that type -492 +490 00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:55,030 of solidarity before. -493 +491 00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,790 There was a lot of talk -494 +492 00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:05,960 discussing the situation -495 +493 00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:10,130 because the inmates were very upset -496 +494 00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:12,750 and things were happening here -497 +495 00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,510 and there was great concern. -498 +496 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,930 It was a time bomb ready to blow, and we live with it -499 +497 00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:23,640 every day in my house and every day I say goodbye to my dad. -500 +498 00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:26,230 And I knew it might be the last day I saw him. -501 +499 00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:29,900 It was open conversation. -502 +500 00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:34,320 Things were getting worse, -503 +501 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,690 and so they had a meeting with the administration -504 +502 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,240 in the administration, essentially dismissed their concerns -505 +503 00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:43,120 and said everybody back to work. -506 +504 00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:46,040 However, we think maybe it's a good idea if you left -507 +505 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,420 your personal belongings at home like wedding rings, wallets, et cetera. -508 +506 00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,960 So my father absolutely knew that something was going on. -509 +507 00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:56,760 I was having breakfast with him and he was talking to me, -510 +508 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,380 and I knew he was nervous. -511 +509 00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,890 When he said something's going to happen, he said, I just don't know what or when, -512 +510 00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:03,810 but I think I'll be OK. -513 +511 00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:09,350 There was a fight -514 +512 00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:12,560 in a yard on September eighth, -515 +513 00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:15,820 and the guards promised nothing would happen as a result of this -516 +514 00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:18,780 because they could feel the tension building up. -517 +515 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,530 Then that night, they broke that promise. -518 +516 00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:26,410 They came and pulled them out of cells and about three or four of them. -519 +517 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,370 And then. -520 +518 00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,540 He was thought to embarrass Barroso would have a glass. -521 +519 00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:37,170 May have had or cans or whatever they may had, and it was a disturbance that dear. -522 +520 00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:42,300 So the inmates decided at that moment, Man, this is a man we tied. -523 +521 00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:44,050 I mean, they killed Josh Jackson. -524 +522 00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:45,680 They did this throughout the years. -525 +523 00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,390 We tie, you know, and they they went off. -526 +524 00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:01,110 I was in school that day. -527 +525 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,240 And the whistle -528 +526 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240 from the prison just kept going, and we could hear it. -529 +527 00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:09,620 We got calls from somebody from the prison -530 +528 00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:12,160 saying that your dad, you know, is definitely being held. -531 +529 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960 You know, I was scared, I was worried for my dad. -532 +530 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,260 I love my dad, but we didn't really know what was going on. -533 +531 00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:25,010 Understanding about what? -534 +532 00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:29,140 This incident developing it added in this declaration here will explain -535 +533 00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:34,190 the reasons for the entire incident that has erupted here at Attica -536 +534 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,820 is not a result of the dastardly bushwhacking of the two prisoners. -537 +535 00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:44,660 September eighth of 1970 11 of the unmitigated oppression wrought -538 +536 00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:48,450 by the racist administrative network of this prison throughout the years. -539 +537 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,120 We want the government to guarantee that there will be no reprisals -540 +538 00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:57,380 and we want all facets of the media to articulate this. -541 +539 00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:00,960 We needed the media in there because we needed -542 +540 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,260 to let the world know what was happening. -543 +541 00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:08,390 We know this is one of the turning points -544 +542 00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:10,350 in the whole thing. -545 +543 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,560 We would like the press to come in, -546 +544 00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,560 including the television cameras -547 +545 00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:23,030 that transformed everything. -548 +546 00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:28,820 Because now the prisoners had a worldwide audience. -549 +547 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,620 Whatever happens here at Attica State Prison, -550 +548 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:39,000 I'm not sure how they heard that there was a black journalist outside -551 +549 00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,420 that they wanted me to be -552 +550 00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:45,550 on the group that went in with us. -553 +551 00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:48,550 Suddenly, I'm on in this group -554 +552 00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,430 going into the prison with this. -555 +553 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,430 Head of the prison system. -556 +554 00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:58,480 I was surprised that they had asked for me. -557 +555 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,320 But I guess because of the fact that they had watched -558 +556 00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:07,410 the news, my reports were factual -559 +557 00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:11,870 and I was not taking anybody's side -560 +558 00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,290 in the whole thing. -561 +559 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,540 We went in -562 +560 00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:21,920 and it was completely surreal, -563 +561 00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:26,340 like, you're walking down a tunnel and suddenly -564 +562 00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:29,090 you walk into this huge yard -565 +563 00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:34,680 where there are men everywhere like thousands of men. -566 +564 00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:37,560 And I remember -567 +565 00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:40,310 some people yelling, Hey, J.J.. -568 +566 00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:43,320 I said hello to people -569 +567 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,150 that I knew from Bed-Stuy and Harlem, -570 +568 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,490 and they were in Attica. -571 +569 00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:55,490 Once inside, we were brought along through the yard -572 +570 00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:59,040 with a member of the inmate security force constantly at our side. -573 +571 00:34:59,870 --> 00:35:02,250 We were allowed to go where they told us to go. -574 +572 00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:04,380 We were all allowed to film. -575 +573 00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,510 Only one of the prisoners told us we could. -576 +574 00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:10,180 Inmates faces were covered so as to keep their identities secret. -577 +575 00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:14,680 Our first concern on entering was to learn how the hostages -578 +576 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,730 were going to see the hostages, but -579 +577 00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:20,190 I was able to ask. -580 +578 00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:24,150 one question before I was moved -581 +579 00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:28,150 to the negotiation table to read it, all right. -582 +580 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,450 Yes, I have so far, but very no, no complaints, but -583 +581 00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:34,660 no problem solver so far and treat it very good. -584 +582 00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,580 Shortly thereafter, one of the inmates, -585 +583 00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:42,080 a young man by the name of l.D. -586 +584 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,670 Barclay, started to read -587 +585 00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:48,460 the demands of the entire prison population. -588 +586 00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:54,050 That means each and every one of us here have set forth to change forever. -589 +587 00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,350 The ruthless brutalization and disregard for the lives -590 +588 00:35:57,350 --> 00:36:00,310 of the prisoners here and throughout the United States. -591 +589 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,020 He was saying, What we all want you to scream. -592 +590 00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:07,150 But he was explaining it so that everybody could understand -593 +591 00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:10,150 so that when you were sitting in your living room, -594 +592 00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,400 you could say, Well, the guy's a criminal. -595 +593 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,570 Yeah, but. -596 +594 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,240 He is saying something that's. -597 +595 00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:15,660 That's -598 +596 00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:19,370 that I understand that. -599 +597 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:22,370 How could we do that, you know, he was waking up America. -600 +598 00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:25,630 And he was the best one to do it. -601 +599 00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:27,590 We are men. -602 +600 00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:31,760 We are not beasts and we do not intend to be beaten or driven effort. -603 +601 00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:34,840 Audi is only going to be here for 90 days, -604 +602 00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:38,310 he'll be getting out, but he wanted to the outside world and noted. -605 +603 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,850 The prison is inhumane. -606 +604 00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:45,400 What has happened here is but the sound of -607 +605 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,070 for the fury of those who are oppressed, -608 +606 00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:51,280 we will not compromise on any terms -609 +607 00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:54,610 except those terms that are agreeable to us. -610 +608 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,700 We call. -611 +609 00:37:01,410 --> 00:37:03,910 You felt it. -612 +610 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:07,130 And at that moment, -613 +611 00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:09,880 I heard it and I seen it. -614 +612 00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:13,340 And that reaffirmed -615 +613 00:37:13,340 --> 00:37:16,300 why we was data, why I was there. -616 +614 00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:22,430 It was a feeling that this was big. -617 +615 00:37:23,180 --> 00:37:25,390 This was huge. -618 +616 00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:32,280 Corrections Commissioner Oswald maintained -619 +617 00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,070 that he had done -620 +618 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,910 quite a bit of the things -621 +619 00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:41,910 that the inmates had requested. -622 +620 00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:43,500 I've, -623 +621 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,170 uh, complied -624 +622 00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:50,340 with the several things I said I would do as my part. -625 +623 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,550 I brought the press and other media -626 +624 00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:57,760 in here to listen as we talk. -627 +625 00:37:58,010 --> 00:38:01,760 And now my question is I asked earlier, -628 +626 00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:06,230 when will you release the hostages? -629 +627 00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,480 Now the table was turned -630 +628 00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:13,030 and we had the power, -631 +629 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,070 so when we asked him for something, -632 +630 00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:18,070 he had to give it to us because he had no choice. -633 +631 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,160 We wanted some assurance that we weren't -634 +632 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,450 going to be retaliated against. -635 +633 00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,660 So we ask Herman Schwartz -636 +634 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,870 to go to District Court in New York. -637 +635 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,050 And I get an injunction -638 +636 00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:37,340 that would assure us that we wouldn't be retaliated against. -639 +637 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,090 I sat down and wrote an injunction. -640 +638 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,180 Which barred any kind of retaliation. -641 +639 00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,560 It had been agreed that there would be -642 +640 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,560 another meeting the next morning. -643 +641 00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:55,070 The time is now ten minutes late. -644 +642 00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:58,360 We've been shooting this tape for approximately two hours. -645 +643 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,030 We started about 6:00 p.m.. -646 +644 00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:04,540 Light is almost gone now -647 +645 00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:07,910 we can see lights in cell block D. -648 +646 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:18,130 Oh. The guy next to me -649 +647 00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:20,970 was named Raymond Wei. -650 +648 00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:25,060 You open up in the air. -651 +649 00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:28,230 Gardner still remain way, your way, -652 +650 00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:31,270 your smear -653 +651 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,690 ain't been out at the dog and 22 years. -654 +652 00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,690 And we was talking -655 +653 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:40,950 singing songs, it was it was a festive night. -656 +654 00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:42,950 I loved it. I loved it. -657 +655 00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:46,580 Then I was out in the nighttime looking at the stars. -658 +656 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,250 I was drunk. I was happy. I was. I liked it. -659 +657 00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:52,290 Yeah, I was having a good time and it was good. -660 +658 00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:54,380 I feel free. -661 +659 00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:58,010 You know, I mean, prison was dead, but you know, I felt free. -662 +660 00:39:58,210 --> 00:40:00,260 And you had to hear -663 +661 00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,640 the doors not locking. -664 +662 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,350 And if and if it was a good feeling that that first night -665 +663 00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:10,810 when it got dark -666 +664 00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:13,480 and everybody was talking about finding somewhere to sleep with, -667 +665 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,610 you know, don't sleep alone and you know, that type of thing. -668 +666 00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,740 There's a lot of psychopaths and sociopaths -669 +667 00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,280 in those facilities, so you know you had to protect yourself from -670 +668 00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:26,910 from your peers, even. -671 +669 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,790 Well, I knew this was going to last forever. -672 +670 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,960 I knew they would. -673 +671 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,090 It would be an end this. -674 +672 00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:42,720 But just because he was incarcerated -675 +673 00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,800 didn't mean that we were less than human. -676 +674 00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:50,520 Somebody had to take the stand. -677 +675 00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:00,360 At dawn, -678 +676 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,910 a smoke from yesterday's fires lingered over prison walls, a federal injunction -679 +677 00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:09,580 was obtained prohibiting physical reprisal against those involved in the riot. -680 +678 00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:13,660 When I brought in the injunction, -681 +679 00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:18,290 we talked to the prisoners at opposite ends -682 +680 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:21,300 of a rather long tunnel. -683 +681 00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,760 They said where where the administrators. -684 +682 00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,590 I don't know. -685 +683 00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:28,890 I'm here about know where they are. -686 +684 00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:31,680 Finally, at 10:00, Oswald -687 +685 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,020 and the others show up. -688 +686 00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,310 The prisoners were furious. -689 +687 00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:41,440 They had been, as they would put it, dissed. -690 +688 00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:44,700 They're supposed to meet at seven or 8:00 and. -691 +689 00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:48,030 It was very clear -692 +690 00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:51,200 the air was very tense. -693 +691 00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:54,870 You had the table spread out. -694 +692 00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,460 We were on one side. -695 +693 00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:00,710 The inmates were on the other. -696 +694 00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,960 And I gave the document -697 +695 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,340 that the judge had signed this. -698 +696 00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:08,800 It's nothing. -699 +697 00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:11,680 I'm sorry, I spent hours of -700 +698 00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,730 of and got no sleep and trouble -701 +699 00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:19,350 declaring that a federal judge has signed off on an injunction -702 +700 00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:23,440 saying that there would be no reprisals, anything that can. -703 +701 00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,820 Waving that at us -704 +702 00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:29,240 and they're free to do so was the same. -705 +703 00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:32,160 There was no judicial seal on it. -706 +704 00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,830 I have received injunctions from the Southern District, -707 +705 00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000 which are judicial fields. -708 +706 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000 This paper is an empty gesture. -709 +707 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,080 Jerry, did you? -710 +708 00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,750 That was his nickname. -711 +709 00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:47,260 Jerry Rosenberg was a hell of a guy and he was well respected. -712 +710 00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:48,470 He had a law degree. -713 +711 00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:51,850 Any new law he would help -714 +712 00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:54,140 all the inmates, she was a jailhouse lawyer. -715 +713 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440 You can take this piece of paper and throw it away -716 +714 00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:00,150 because this is no protection. -717 +715 00:43:00,150 --> 00:43:03,190 Geoffrey Rosenberg God bless him, sir. -718 +716 00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:06,360 Charging scientists. -719 +717 00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:09,660 There's no there's no lost in district court -720 +718 00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:13,830 stamp on this document saying that, you know what? -721 +719 00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:17,250 Nothing will happen to worse and torn up. -722 +720 00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:20,750 You know, we know you mean well, -723 +721 00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:23,130 but don't come with the bullshit here. -724 +722 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,630 We want a judicial seal and a continuing -725 +723 00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:30,010 restraining order until the litigation is finally ended -726 +724 00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:33,800 without any reprisal or brutality against any inmate -727 +725 00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:36,060 of this institution. -728 +726 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,190 Well, lawyers know -729 +727 00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,030 that seals don't mean anything -730 +728 00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:55,030 so long as the signature is there. -731 +729 00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:58,410 I could have kicked Jerry's ass, and I should have -732 +730 00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:00,500 read because -733 +731 00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,290 he he just started to grandstand. -734 +732 00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,380 You know, he was caught up in the moment. -735 +733 00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:10,340 Good, smart as he is -736 +734 00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:14,090 and a shrewd as he is, he over reacted. -737 +735 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,310 And we lost an opportunity there. -738 +736 00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:20,680 And then somebody said, let's hold them. -739 +737 00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,060 Let's add to the hostage Cal. -740 +738 00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:29,570 I speak everybody here, -741 +739 00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:31,900 I want to to you as well. -742 +740 00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,990 When you come in here covering the game, -743 +741 00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:39,620 I know you don't give a fuck about no max that they somehow give a fuck about you. -744 +742 00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,080 Nothing I know. -745 +743 00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,670 Nothing, you know? -746 +744 00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:46,880 And I'm gonna to leave you. -747 +745 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,550 It seems to me that you are -748 +746 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,220 saying to me that you, you are an artist at pretty rare occasion. -749 +747 00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:57,510 I bear witness to your evil deeds, Mr. Art. -750 +748 00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,970 Now I repeat, -751 +749 00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:03,390 as I told you yesterday, we are being lenient with you. -752 +750 00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:05,940 We are negotiating. -753 +751 00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:08,400 We are talking. We shouldn't be. -754 +752 00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,530 We should be demanding. -755 +753 00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:11,530 So why? -756 +754 00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:15,200 Because we have 35 lives, not hostages. -757 +755 00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:16,870 And I repeat Mr. -758 +756 00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:20,950 Oswald, a moment's hesitation would cause you delay. -759 +757 00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:23,830 The meeting in the yard got very tense -760 +758 00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:28,880 because Oswald would talk to you from one side of the mouth. -761 +759 00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:31,550 And then when he left the yard and go outside, -762 +760 00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:33,970 he talks from the other side of the mouth -763 +761 00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:37,050 of the inmates made any demands that, you know, there are all kinds -764 +762 00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:40,760 of demands, you know, for the change of change in the whole world. -765 +763 00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:44,560 But what he forgot was that he was being seen on TV. -766 +764 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,440 Come on, how could you do that? -767 +765 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,020 We watch you -768 +766 00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:54,700 and you stated it yesterday on the news media, in a huff, in a panic, you said. -769 +767 00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,410 Well, I don't know what they want. -770 +768 00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:58,530 They want the world and what you like. -771 +769 00:45:58,530 --> 00:45:59,740 You walk away from reporters. -772 +770 00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:01,830 Would you reply that the sidewalk? -773 +771 00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:04,160 Yes, I did say that. -774 +772 00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:05,580 Let him finish. -775 +773 00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:06,620 I don't say that. -776 +774 00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:09,210 Can't bullshit a bullshitter. -777 +775 00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:10,630 You can't do that. -778 +776 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,090 The first time he came in, I'm going to do -779 +777 00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:15,220 this, a b, c, d e f g -780 +778 00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:18,760 and people said, All right, going back to business, get it done, -781 +779 00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:21,510 came back in and started talking and you know, -782 +780 00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:26,100 it was going around about hearing around about then this scenario. -783 +781 00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:28,190 Not that the hostages go. -784 +782 00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:30,980 But you be hostage, -785 +783 00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:33,020 whatever, you know, power -786 +784 00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:34,780 and water. -787 +785 00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,740 We haven't got that. -788 +786 00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:38,860 We're going to get Mr. Harper for himself. -789 +787 00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:40,370 So we got to. -790 +788 00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:45,330 We're not letting him out of here and keeping him in Austin. -791 +789 00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:47,960 We all we shut that down. -792 +790 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,750 We're not going to be like them. -793 +791 00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:50,920 We're not going to break our word. -794 +792 00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,920 And it says, well, inmates would be more honorable than them. -795 +793 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,800 Yes, we were because we gave him my word nothing would happen to him. -796 +794 00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:07,850 Everybody starts -797 +795 00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:10,440 screaming at him, go, let him go. -798 +796 00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:12,360 Don't. -799 +797 00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,900 He got out of Dodge. -800 +798 00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,240 He never came back. -801 +799 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,200 In New York State, -802 +800 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,580 some 500 inmates of the Attica maximum security prison are still in revolt. -803 +801 00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:34,000 Authorities tried unsuccessfully to reach a settlement with the prisoners -804 +802 00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:38,300 over demands for reforms and to obtain release of more than 30 hostages. -805 +803 00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,340 We have a report on what's been happening at Attica from ABC's John Johnson. -806 +804 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,390 Fires were still burning at Attica State Prison, -807 +805 00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:48,680 despite a small army of police and state troopers. -808 +806 00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:51,480 The prisoners continue to call the shots at Attica. -809 +807 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:54,610 Commissioner Oswald announced that -810 +808 00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:57,570 prison officials were attempting to bring to the prison -811 +809 00:47:57,730 --> 00:48:02,530 those people requested by the prisoners in areas under where the group -812 +810 00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:05,490 was basically people -813 +811 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:10,040 whom they knew people like Tom Wicker, -814 +812 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,790 who had written a column about prisoners. -815 +813 00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:16,000 Senator John Dunn was chairman -816 +814 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,590 of the Prisons Committee and sympathetic. -817 +815 00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,170 He was asked to come. -818 +816 00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:24,550 Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago -819 +817 00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:27,140 seven, asked him to come in -820 +818 00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:32,350 and Clarence Jones, publisher of the Amsterdam News. -821 +819 00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:38,020 Have a driver was -822 +820 00:48:38,020 --> 00:48:41,490 driving me up, the ampersand is the driver, says Boss, -823 +821 00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:43,990 they're calling your name on the radio, so what you mean? -824 +822 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,200 Called Rockefeller, -825 +823 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000 and lo and behold, the governor picked up the phone. -826 +824 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,080 He said, thank you so much. -827 +825 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,500 Mr Jones, we have a major situation. -828 +826 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:58,500 A number of the inmates -829 +827 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,590 have called your name. -830 +828 00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:04,630 We'll have a car and pick you up. -831 +829 00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:07,010 And taking him to a private airport. -832 +830 00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:10,100 We're a state private -833 +831 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,270 plane is waiting for you. -834 +832 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:16,020 And there are more. -835 +833 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,900 Atika, you be part of the. -836 +834 00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:21,990 Observers committee. -837 +835 00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:26,450 My wife and I were off on vacation at the time -838 +836 00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:27,870 and we got a call -839 +837 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,790 that they had asked me to come there, and I felt that with my prior experience -840 +838 00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:35,670 and my responsibilities as a chairman of the prison committee ought to be there. -841 +839 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,750 I was optimistic. -842 +840 00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:40,550 I thought. -843 +841 00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:42,340 Give it a shot. -844 +842 00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:45,760 For the rebel prisoners of Attica, the encouraging appearance, -845 +843 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,680 the people, they consider friends. -846 +844 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,220 A 30 man mediation committee, including a congressman for newsmen -847 +845 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,230 and most importantly, lawyer William Kunstler. -848 +846 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,900 Have you heard anything from Governor Rockefeller's office? -849 +847 00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,110 I mean, has he put any time limit on these negotiations? -850 +848 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400 No, but I understand that there is no present -851 +849 00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:07,030 plan to use force in this prison, and I hope that continues. -852 +850 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,910 I just hope that they realize that this is a unique situation -853 +851 00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:15,000 and that it may take time and that if everyone has a good faith, -854 +852 00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,080 something will work out. -855 +853 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:21,630 It was scary, the tension was tremendous. -856 +854 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:25,470 Eager to cut the air with a knife, it was terrifying. -857 +855 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,890 I remember going into the yard and saying to Mel, Where was I? -858 +856 00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:30,050 Do you have a cigaret? -859 +857 00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:30,470 And he said, -860 +858 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:33,770 You have one on you, one in your hand, one in your mouth and one in your. -861 +859 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,600 I was scared. -862 +860 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,770 When you see a tower with people with rifles, -863 +861 00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:43,020 I kept thinking -864 +862 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,990 we should stay close to Tom Wicker and Herman Badillo -865 +863 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:48,530 because they would be the least likely to be shot. -866 +864 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,620 Frank Big Black -867 +865 00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:56,540 Smith was the overall security leader. -868 +866 00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:59,670 He took that job on himself already. -869 +867 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000 He was the guy. -870 +868 00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:04,170 Here's the big man. -871 +869 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:06,840 I mean, this is big. -872 +870 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,680 That was responsible to make sure -873 +871 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,680 that the observers that came in. -874 +872 00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,890 They the same way they can't manage the same way -875 +873 00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:19,480 they did that, you know, no harm come to them. -876 +874 00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,060 He said, Well, we've got to have a security force. -877 +875 00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,610 So we were looking for volunteers. -878 +876 00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:27,570 You, you. -879 +877 00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:30,610 Along the way for her, -880 +878 00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:35,330 can't be all black as we need black guys, white guys and Puerto Ricans. -881 +879 00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,420 We would line up and create a corridor, -882 +880 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,840 and they would walk down the middle of the corridor with us being a barrier -883 +881 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,630 between general population and the negotiators. -884 +882 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680 So we would just stand shoulder to shoulder and give them -885 +883 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,010 that safe space to walk through. -886 +884 00:52:00,310 --> 00:52:01,730 We begin to talk with them -887 +885 00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:06,690 about what they wanted, and they had their their -888 +886 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,700 their list of things that they wanted already written. -889 +887 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,950 You know, everybody wanted a voice. -890 +888 00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:14,660 Good, bad. -891 +889 00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:19,000 And it worked out, so nothing went easy, but it went. -892 +890 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:24,920 We got to a point where we had what we thought might be possible. -893 +891 00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:27,670 Their demands were, you know, -894 +892 00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:31,260 reasonable demands about living conditions. -895 +893 00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:34,090 They wanted medical care. -896 +894 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,430 Decent food, -897 +895 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,850 fair disciplinary hearings. -898 +896 00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,440 Basically, -899 +897 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,400 they wanted to be treated like human beings, -900 +898 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,820 prisoners late last night met with a civilian committee -901 +899 00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,160 in an attempt to clarify demands ranging from better prison -902 +900 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,910 life conditions to more religious and political freedom. -903 +901 00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:03,920 I injected into the two demands -904 +902 00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:08,170 for some people to go to non imperialistic country. -905 +903 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,880 You have to be frightened flight out. -906 +904 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:12,920 We thought Cuba was going to come and get us. -907 +905 00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:17,800 You ship troops to Vietnam to stop the men. -908 +906 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,810 Go to all these five countries to press the button. -909 +907 00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:23,850 You can bet why these helicopters in air and ship -910 +908 00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,230 on this country. -911 +909 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,440 We didn't seeing people snatch airplanes -912 +910 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,940 and all like dead and go to Cuba and Algiers and all other places. -913 +911 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,950 Why not get out of jail? -914 +912 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:38,120 An Air France jet was hijacked by Palestinian girls. -915 +913 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,830 17 year old girl hijacked a twb jetliner -916 +914 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,580 I have for years and on a 25 to life sentence. -917 +915 00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:46,960 Why not get out of jail? -918 +916 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,040 Why not? -919 +917 00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:50,590 We all do that. -920 +918 00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:52,010 I wasn't going to happen. -921 +919 00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:54,260 We weren't going to go to -922 +920 00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:55,840 Algeria on the plane. -923 +921 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,680 I knew that everybody in the back of their mind knew that. -924 +922 00:53:59,850 --> 00:54:01,010 But we need it, obviously. -925 +923 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,480 We want the federal -926 +924 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,560 judiciary to guarantee complete amnesty to each and every one of us -927 +925 00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:13,940 has taken part in the struggle here at Attica to ensure that this amnesty -928 +926 00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:19,120 will not be just a groping in the win, but a reality for each and every one of us. -929 +927 00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:23,620 They were not looking to be relieved of the prison sentences -930 +928 00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:27,080 to which they have been sent by the courts after being convicted. -931 +929 00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:30,500 They were looking to be freed from any -932 +930 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,880 prosecution or any penalties -933 +931 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,340 for their engaging in the riot. -934 +932 00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:41,260 Besides the normal beatings and everything else -935 +933 00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:45,350 they're going to do to us, which is, you know, automatic. -936 +934 00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:49,940 We knew that they could also take us and bring us to court and, -937 +935 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,690 you know, and turn us into the monster inmates who took over the prison. -938 +936 00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:59,110 We are not advocating violence. -939 +937 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200 We all want to live. -940 +938 00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:07,290 All right. -941 +939 00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:09,290 If you get one on dog. -942 +940 00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,420 You're treating them better than we have been treated -943 +941 00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:15,880 the last. -944 +942 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,220 They were fiercely -945 +943 00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:25,520 trying to convince prison authorities that they didn't cease -946 +944 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,100 being a human being merely by the fact that they were -947 +945 00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:32,400 incarcerated because they had broken. -948 +946 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,860 A law society, and that's a profound thing. -949 +947 00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:40,570 I am somebody. -950 +948 00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:42,700 I'm not a thing. -951 +949 00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:46,290 You can't treat me like a dog. -952 +950 00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:48,580 I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity. -953 +951 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040 And that's what they insisted. -954 +952 00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,250 I'm getting the. -955 +953 00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:59,420 Power structure of Africa to recognize. -956 +954 00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:03,550 That they continue to be. -957 +955 00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:04,930 Somebody. -958 +956 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,140 All of you have seen -959 +957 00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:10,390 the observers, they all were listening to us. -960 +958 00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:13,600 I feel that they were supporting us. -961 +959 00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:15,730 We see. -962 +960 00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:17,900 And that meant a lot to us. -963 +961 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:21,280 This is our situation. -964 +962 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,740 Please listen to us. And that's what they were doing. -965 +963 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,030 They were listening. -966 +964 00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:27,410 It felt like they were somebody that believed in us. -967 +965 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,160 It felt that way. -968 +966 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080 If somebody believe that you know, you did have some rights, -969 +967 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,420 even though you were a convicted felon or whatever. -970 +968 00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:37,920 Would we able to get -971 +969 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,340 a better mailing privileges, better medical privileges? -972 +970 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:47,390 We tried to nail it down to that, which was realistic and possible over -973 +971 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:50,100 distinguished from a plane waiting for us -974 +972 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,730 outside the cellblock, flying us to Cuba. -975 +973 00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:57,690 That's what it was like it was it was realism -976 +974 00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:01,570 from fantasy. -977 +975 00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:05,370 We want to be treated as human beings, -978 +976 00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:08,280 we will be treated as human beings. -979 +977 00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:11,290 Yeah, we have come to the conclusion. -980 +978 00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:15,120 That's the study. -981 +979 00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:19,920 After much suffering. -982 +980 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,090 After much consideration. -983 +981 00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:25,890 But if we cannot move -984 +982 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:27,180 people. -985 +983 00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:30,680 We will at least try. -986 +984 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,980 Today, let me. -987 +985 00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,190 That statement was sounded -988 +986 00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,070 everywhere. -989 +987 00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:46,820 In that yard, -990 +988 00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:50,790 when he said that a roar went up like no other. -991 +989 00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,580 This was this day, and I saw that -992 +990 00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:58,540 I really none of us were going to be observers, -993 +991 00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:03,300 we were going to be mediators , whether we wanted to be mediators or not, -994 +992 00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,010 whether we were called up to be mediators. -995 +993 00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:11,510 This prison uprising had to be mediated. -996 +994 00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:14,680 Otherwise it was going to end in disaster. -997 +995 00:58:16,270 --> 00:58:19,020 If you people do not understand. -998 +996 00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:22,150 If you people do not pick what? -999 +997 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:25,900 If you people can not make the commitment -1000 +998 00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,360 that we have made here. -1001 +999 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,740 We all did. -1002 +1000 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,990 All right. -1003 +1001 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,870 We'll take you all -1004 +1002 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,750 to stand with us. -1005 +1003 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,170 Not necessarily. -1006 +1004 00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,210 I know you want to -1007 +1005 00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:48,090 hey, hey, before. -1008 +1006 00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:14,950 Things were growing on the outside, -1009 +1007 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,370 don't take. -1010 +1008 00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:22,380 There were more journalists. -1011 +1009 00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,210 There were more police. -1012 +1010 00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:27,510 And it was just getting bigger -1013 +1011 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,260 and bigger and bigger. -1014 +1012 00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,350 People are coming night and day -1015 +1013 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680 vans with reporters and police -1016 +1014 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,310 and things are building up. -1017 +1015 00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:44,730 Among those keeping a vigil outside -1018 +1016 00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:48,530 the prison walls, the families of some of the 38 men held hostage. -1019 +1017 00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:51,700 I was just home watching the TV. -1020 +1018 00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:54,910 I just kept looking for my husband. -1021 +1019 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,410 Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized in some way -1022 +1020 00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:02,170 because the inmates at that time had the power there, you know, -1023 +1021 01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:05,500 and if they didn't like somebody who who knew -1024 +1022 01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:08,920 what you were scared to death that, you know, -1025 +1023 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,300 they'd just kill him or something and they didn't get their way. -1026 +1024 01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:16,810 Families of the 31 hostages wait for word -1027 +1025 01:00:16,810 --> 01:00:19,480 as part of the prison remains in control of the inmate. -1028 +1026 01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:27,860 They were upset. -1029 +1027 01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:29,940 They were angry and they were scared -1030 +1028 01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:35,030 standing out there while their loved ones are being held hostage -1031 +1029 01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:39,790 and they are waiting for any scrap of information -1032 +1030 01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:44,830 to hear something. -1033 +1031 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,250 And many of those families -1034 +1032 01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:50,970 stood vigil day and night out there. -1035 +1033 01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,340 A bunch of people crying, -1036 +1034 01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:57,220 the wives and brothers and fathers -1037 +1035 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,430 freaking out to his panic. -1038 +1036 01:01:01,180 --> 01:01:04,850 People are afraid to talk in the parking lot because they thought -1039 +1037 01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:10,280 that any reporters or anybody, even they did it on the privacy -1040 +1038 01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:13,780 because they didn't want the relatives targeted, singled out -1041 +1039 01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:15,780 by the inmates. -1042 +1040 01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:28,290 I had sympathy for them. -1043 +1041 01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:32,800 They were elsewhere, you're going to get a job if you lived in that -1044 +1042 01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:36,430 area and you had no -1045 +1043 01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:41,180 training and no understanding -1046 +1044 01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:44,310 of what it was like to grow up in -1047 +1045 01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:48,270 a poor black urban area. -1048 +1046 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,690 You used these were aliens. -1049 +1047 01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:56,070 These were people from a different world -1050 +1048 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,410 and your family members. -1051 +1049 01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:04,410 Maybe you're going to get killed -1052 +1050 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:06,330 because of them. -1053 +1051 01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:08,670 Sure, you were. -1054 +1052 01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:10,880 Infuriated. -1055 +1053 01:02:12,050 --> 01:02:13,590 All these dogs up there with -1056 +1054 01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:15,800 all those rifles are trying to kill us. -1057 +1055 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,510 Well, we ain't gonna quit the inmates that we're giving microphones. -1058 +1056 01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:21,560 I'm on TV. -1059 +1057 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,810 I mean, the very upsetting. -1060 +1058 01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:26,730 They should have resolved it right away. -1061 +1059 01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:28,730 It just went on too far. -1062 +1060 01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:31,440 We all just wanted it to end. -1063 +1061 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,320 What I what you hear over the radio -1064 +1062 01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:40,320 and the TV was and it's inspiring to me -1065 +1063 01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:43,870 because it seemed to me that what I was hearing. -1066 +1064 01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,540 I didn't think -1067 +1065 01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:50,670 they were doing the right thing. -1068 +1066 01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,840 It just seemed sort of limp to me -1069 +1067 01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:56,510 and it was frustrating. -1070 +1068 01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,180 You'd hear stuff from people. -1071 +1069 01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:03,140 That's where it got a little scary too, because you could see how the inmates -1072 +1070 01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:07,310 were considered like less than human kind of like animals. -1073 +1071 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,900 There was people saying, You know, don't worry about your dad, -1074 +1072 01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:14,020 you know, they'll get theirs type thing. -1075 +1073 01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:16,990 And so that kind of made it even more scary. -1076 +1074 01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:20,700 You realize how emotionally charged the community is getting. -1077 +1075 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:23,660 The tensions got worse and worse. Worse. -1078 +1076 01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:25,750 Emotions got worse and worse and worse. -1079 +1077 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,710 Sadly, -1080 +1078 01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:42,180 I think that the hope was stronger than any doubt because after three days -1081 +1079 01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:45,390 Thursday, Friday and Saturday. -1082 +1080 01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,520 They had came in -1083 +1081 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,980 we had like 30 demands and most of them what -1084 +1082 01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,940 possible, -1085 +1083 01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:56,530 and we will still be doing about it. -1086 +1084 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,860 I've never seen anything like this. -1087 +1085 01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:02,160 The people in here are treated like dogs. -1088 +1086 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,240 Not only the Black Lives Matter, white. -1089 +1087 01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:06,740 And we're going to get what we planned. -1090 +1088 01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:08,790 Are we going to die? Try. -1091 +1089 01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:12,370 But we thought that whatever happened, -1092 +1090 01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:15,710 we may maybe really walk away with some improvement -1093 +1091 01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:17,170 in our lives. -1094 +1092 01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:21,760 Point was, is that whatever happened, -1095 +1093 01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:24,890 it just had to make a difference. -1096 +1094 01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:26,970 Change had to happen. -1097 +1095 01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:29,020 You had to embrace who. -1098 +1096 01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:34,690 There's a report -1099 +1097 01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:37,730 that prison officials have yielded to most of the demands -1100 +1098 01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:40,860 by the rebelling inmates of the Attica state prison in New York, -1101 +1099 01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:44,490 where more than 30 persons have been held hostage for three days. -1102 +1100 01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:48,490 As you know, during this ordeal. -1103 +1101 01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:51,000 I have personally met with inmates -1104 +1102 01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,830 on several occasions in areas under their control, -1105 +1103 01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:58,340 and they have demonstrated my commitment -1106 +1104 01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:00,760 to deal with the issues they have raised -1107 +1105 01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:04,050 by accepting 28 -1108 +1106 01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:06,930 of the three major inmate proposals. -1109 +1107 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,850 The second is like any time of what's going to happen now. -1110 +1108 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,810 Well, we hope negotiations will -1111 +1109 01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:16,310 start this afternoon and continue until they reach a solution. -1112 +1110 01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:19,650 Huey Newton or Bobby Seale, are they coming? -1113 +1111 01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:20,190 They were asked. -1114 +1112 01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:23,150 Or we hope we understood that they were en route. -1115 +1113 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:23,860 We had. -1116 +1114 01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,530 Kind of settled in on the demands -1117 +1115 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,950 we had negotiated with Oswald -1118 +1116 01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:33,960 for his commitment to 28 of them. -1119 +1117 01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:39,880 The commissioner and the whole point of Bobby SEALs coming there would be for him -1120 +1118 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,420 to bless and support and urge the inmates -1121 +1119 01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:45,130 to accept them. -1122 +1120 01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:50,600 Bobby -1123 +1121 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,600 Seale was our hero because he was speaking out -1124 +1122 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,810 about the brutality that was happening in the prison system. -1125 +1123 01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:59,730 He was doing what we were trying to leave. -1126 +1124 01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,980 He was a panther. -1127 +1125 01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:02,820 The second in command. -1128 +1126 01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,780 I really thought it would help us out of everything -1129 +1127 01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:08,240 we ever demand. -1130 +1128 01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:12,750 Bobby didn't stay long. -1131 +1129 01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:17,540 Bobby to stay long, came up to it and go shake table was made a little speech. -1132 +1130 01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:19,750 You walk around your. -1133 +1131 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,630 Well, we won't read about the jail. -1134 +1132 01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:26,050 A lot of times we're going back in time. -1135 +1133 01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:28,340 It was quite a letdown. -1136 +1134 01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:32,390 There is no remember me at all, about three minutes. -1137 +1135 01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:37,100 At that point, -1138 +1136 01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:40,440 everybody's just sitting around waiting for something to happen. -1139 +1137 01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:47,780 But then Billy Quinn died. -1140 +1138 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,700 And that transformed everything -1141 +1139 01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:54,660 the state prison in Attica, New York, is at the crisis point. -1142 +1140 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,710 The death of one of the guards as harden the position of prison officials -1143 +1141 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,710 and there are you don't get amnesty for a murder. -1144 +1142 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,460 I immediately knew. -1145 +1143 01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:08,840 That the -1146 +1144 01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:11,510 process of negotiations -1147 +1145 01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:13,970 just became far more difficult. -1148 +1146 01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:16,680 I knew that was. -1149 +1147 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,730 I was the worst possible thing that could happen. -1150 +1148 01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:23,440 How could they peacefully negotiate? -1151 +1149 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,700 With inmates who they held responsible for the death -1152 +1150 01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:29,660 of a guard. -1153 +1151 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,830 Prior to his passing on. -1154 +1152 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,210 There was a hope and even an expectation -1155 +1153 01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:43,710 because people were listening. -1156 +1154 01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:46,420 People were coming to understand what we had been living through -1157 +1155 01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:50,340 and suffering as prisoners there. -1158 +1156 01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,350 We know that it was a new ball -1159 +1157 01:07:54,350 --> 01:07:57,430 game was depression. -1160 +1158 01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:58,810 And fear. -1161 +1159 01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:02,770 And, you know, anxiety and yeah, -1162 +1160 01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:05,940 everything you can imagine. -1163 +1161 01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,990 We had to drop a lot of issues -1164 +1162 01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:11,030 and focus on amnesty -1165 +1163 01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:13,740 as one as the main issue -1166 +1164 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,910 because we want to be charged -1167 +1165 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,250 with murder. -1168 +1166 01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:20,660 We said. -1169 +1167 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,540 As a group. -1170 +1168 01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:26,000 That we was going -1171 +1169 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,170 to stay in solidarity with anyone. -1172 +1170 01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:32,630 They could not give amnesty to everybody. -1173 +1171 01:08:32,970 --> 01:08:36,140 Then was not going to leave anyone in the clutch in -1174 +1172 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,980 to take a towing back on the bus or speak to take this. -1175 +1173 01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:45,190 We acted together that we understood that this was us, -1176 +1174 01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:48,780 that if we didn't stand together now, we never would. -1177 +1175 01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:49,820 And it would. -1178 +1176 01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:52,910 We would live like dogs for the rest of our lives. -1179 +1177 01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:57,580 We understood that. -1180 +1178 01:08:57,580 --> 01:09:02,460 Did I wish that we could somehow back away, but not without amnesty? -1181 +1179 01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:04,500 How do the inmates feel about the current situation? -1182 +1180 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,210 I will. -1183 +1181 01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:08,880 A group of us were in with the inmates. -1184 +1182 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,670 We met with them. -1185 +1183 01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:13,220 We had two and a half hours. -1186 +1184 01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:14,590 Some of the people are here, -1187 +1185 01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:18,100 but we really have nothing to say about it, except they are firm in their demands. -1188 +1186 01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:19,680 And that's it. -1189 +1187 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,270 In other words, -1190 +1188 01:09:20,270 --> 01:09:23,390 they're not going to let the hostages go until they're granted total amnesty. -1191 +1189 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,650 That was their last position. -1192 +1190 01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:33,820 The flag at half staff for the injured guard who had died -1193 +1191 01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:35,910 the night before set the mood this morning, -1194 +1192 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,910 it was clear that the troubles of this troubled prison had grown worse. -1195 +1193 01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:42,120 That Sunday, you had that fall that came over -1196 +1194 01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,750 and it was a certain chill in the air. -1197 +1195 01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:47,750 Something didn't feel right. -1198 +1196 01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:49,710 It didn't feel right. -1199 +1197 01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:52,550 There are strong indications tonight that police will be sent -1200 +1198 01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:56,140 into the cellblock in an attempt to rescue the rest of the hostages -1201 +1199 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,260 by force. -1202 +1200 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,480 Water was cut off. -1203 +1201 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,810 Food was getting scarce. -1204 +1202 01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:09,060 Patients were getting shot and people were totally -1205 +1203 01:10:10,190 --> 01:10:12,280 wondering what is going to be the outcome -1206 +1204 01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:15,030 of the situation. -1207 +1205 01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:24,960 There was enormous pressure, and I witnessed -1208 +1206 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,710 that as I took a breather and went out to the public space -1209 +1207 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,300 just outside the prison, where a lot of correction -1210 +1208 01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:37,720 officers, their families, troopers and other officials -1211 +1209 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,640 were gathered together. -1212 +1210 01:10:40,930 --> 01:10:43,470 I mean, the news was completely about that. -1213 +1211 01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:46,640 You know that the state troopers and everybody were poised -1214 +1212 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,560 on the top looking and -1215 +1213 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,480 it was all about these rumors -1216 +1214 01:10:52,650 --> 01:10:56,950 that the prisoners were castrating -1217 +1215 01:10:56,950 --> 01:11:01,450 the hostages, that they were torturing them. -1218 +1216 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,540 And it's going to end in bloodshed. -1219 +1217 01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:08,960 And that was the storyline that was terrifying, people. -1220 +1218 01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:11,170 Could you turn around this way to the camera? -1221 +1219 01:11:11,170 --> 01:11:13,710 I think I did a few interviews -1222 +1220 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,170 and the people were -1223 +1221 01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:20,760 made it very clear that these are bad people in there and -1224 +1222 01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:23,430 they shouldn't be doing this. -1225 +1223 01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:25,600 You know, they should be taken care of. -1226 +1224 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,850 You know what I mean? -1227 +1225 01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:28,770 And hang them and -1228 +1226 01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:29,940 crazy stuff. -1229 +1227 01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:32,310 I mean, they're just really crazy. -1230 +1228 01:11:32,690 --> 01:11:35,190 It was a very hostile environment. -1231 +1229 01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:36,400 And I just -1232 +1230 01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:39,110 don't I -1233 +1231 01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:42,990 don't think that Jaime, I'll stick up your hand. -1234 +1232 01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:47,080 I'm a father of eight children and my boy is the oldest, -1235 +1233 01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:50,580 and I wouldn't want to see any one of them die. -1236 +1234 01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:52,580 Whatever he is going to die, -1237 +1235 01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:55,840 I want that whole damn thing bound right to hell. OK. -1238 +1236 01:11:57,010 --> 01:12:00,510 And while we're talking went on, the state police -1239 +1237 01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:04,050 kept reinforcing at least 500 men in and out of the wall. -1240 +1238 01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:08,100 No indication that any of this force will be used at the police already. -1241 +1239 01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:09,940 Well, any -1242 +1240 01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:15,230 time you went in and out of the prison, there was an army -1243 +1241 01:12:15,690 --> 01:12:21,780 and they were armed with every conceivable type of weapon . -1244 +1242 01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:25,120 And it really looked like -1245 +1243 01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:28,370 they wanted to use those weapons. -1246 +1244 01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:31,540 You had the sense of their anger -1247 +1245 01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:33,580 and they've been held back and -1248 +1246 01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:39,090 they wanted to move. -1249 +1247 01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:42,760 They wanted to to to attack. -1250 +1248 01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,890 Yeah, they were very impatient, -1251 +1249 01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:51,440 very unhappy. -1252 +1250 01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:56,940 They were all thrown into a situation in which they are not prepared for -1253 +1251 01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:01,450 and about which they had basically an animosity. -1254 +1252 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:06,160 And I wish to -1255 +1253 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,040 would any of the men that a lot us off the roof? -1256 +1254 01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:14,210 Adobe that group is out of here because if you get these shaky guy shooting off -1257 +1255 01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:18,340 or getting up, and all of a sudden somebody is going to get excited -1258 +1256 01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:21,720 and then we're all going to say now, this is not a joke. -1259 +1257 01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:23,130 This is not -1260 +1258 01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:26,760 some kind of a little tea party we've got here. -1261 +1259 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,350 And I just hope that the commissioner -1262 +1260 01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:32,480 and the other people in the committee that they've gathered together -1263 +1261 01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:36,980 can come up with a solution -1264 +1262 01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:39,860 to solve these people's problems -1265 +1263 01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:40,820 and ours. -1266 +1264 01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:42,690 Thank you very much. -1267 +1265 01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:49,700 Late Sunday afternoon, -1268 +1266 01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:53,290 Commissioner Oswald and the officials were prepared -1269 +1267 01:13:53,620 --> 01:13:57,040 and intended to retaking. -1270 +1268 01:13:57,670 --> 01:14:00,340 But I pressed Israel to agree -1271 +1269 01:14:01,130 --> 01:14:03,590 to give them until 7:00 on Monday -1272 +1270 01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:05,970 morning, by Sunday morning, everything else had failed. -1273 +1271 01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:12,640 And so the the the final shot -1274 +1272 01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:15,850 was going to be to try to get the Roc-A-Fella. -1275 +1273 01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:21,230 And there was there was a committee of people put together to do that. -1276 +1274 01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:22,610 Good morning. -1277 +1275 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,780 We wanted four friends of the governor -1278 +1276 01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:29,450 to call him and please as your friend. -1279 +1277 01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:33,950 Let me ask you to come to Attica, not to meet with the prisoners, -1280 +1278 01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:37,960 but to come and lay your hand on approving these measures, -1281 +1279 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,460 Sergeant Cunningham. -1282 +1280 01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:42,550 Now, would you give us a message -1283 +1281 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,130 for Governor Nelson Rockefeller? -1284 +1282 01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:47,590 I certainly would. -1285 +1283 01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:51,100 one of the recommendations is and he said, No, I'm dead. -1286 +1284 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,310 I and some of my fellow members of the Service Committee felt -1287 +1285 01:14:55,310 --> 01:15:00,440 very strongly that if Governor Rockefeller were to come to and identify -1288 +1286 01:15:00,650 --> 01:15:04,400 with finding a solution, it might have broken the logjam. -1289 +1287 01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:09,200 So I placed the call, the governor Rockefeller, somewhere around 3:00. -1290 +1288 01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:13,030 Governor, what about your personal feelings right now? -1291 +1289 01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:15,790 On one level, it was a Hail Mary. -1292 +1290 01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:18,790 On the other level it was more than a Hail Mary. -1293 +1291 01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:21,130 These were prominent people. -1294 +1292 01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:27,970 People that you would think Rockefeller respected -1295 +1293 01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:33,050 making a sincere pitch come up here, you don't have to go in. -1296 +1294 01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:37,270 You don't have to agree to anything your presence will have mean. -1297 +1295 01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:41,310 Maybe if he came, that would be an opening -1298 +1296 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:45,030 that would have allowed us to negotiate. -1299 +1297 01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:45,690 Maybe. -1300 +1298 01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:47,900 Some other -1301 +1299 01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,410 negotiators could be brought in who would help the negotiation, -1302 +1300 01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:55,080 maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. -1303 +1301 01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,960 But no known donor or man. -1304 +1302 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,040 Death, death, death, death. -1305 +1303 01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:05,130 Prisoners had been demanding from the very beginning that I come into the yard, -1306 +1304 01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:09,090 and I frankly felt that the idea of governors -1307 +1305 01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:14,010 any time there was an uprising or any time there was a prisoner -1308 +1306 01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:18,640 taken on a prisoner, but a hostage taking being involved in the negotiation, -1309 +1307 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,140 the next thing would be, we don't want the governor, we want the president, -1310 +1308 01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:24,900 and we get to a situation with an impossible one for this country. -1311 +1309 01:16:24,980 --> 01:16:28,190 By the time they spoke to him, he had made up his mind. -1312 +1310 01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:31,990 He listened carefully, he listened politely. -1313 +1311 01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:35,120 But by then, he had made up his mind. -1314 +1312 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,750 We didn't understand the background of us -1315 +1313 01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:44,960 having consulted on an ongoing basis during those days with the White House, -1316 +1314 01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:49,170 the administration in Washington encouraged Rockey -1317 +1315 01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:51,590 to take a strong hard line position, -1318 +1316 01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:54,550 which was unfortunate. -1319 +1317 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,220 It was all a part of President Nixon's law and order agenda. -1320 +1318 01:16:58,810 --> 01:17:01,480 They were putting the pressure yesterday on me all day -1321 +1319 01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,270 to go up there and it up because everything else had failed. -1322 +1320 01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:06,480 And did you go? -1323 +1321 01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,530 Of course not. Of course not. -1324 +1322 01:17:08,530 --> 01:17:09,480 But I had the time. -1325 +1323 01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,860 Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots. -1326 +1324 01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,950 Because he was on the phone. -1327 +1325 01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:19,290 With Richard Nixon. -1328 +1326 01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:24,290 Rockefeller wanted to be president. -1329 +1327 01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:26,130 But the word on him was that -1330 +1328 01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:28,300 he was too soft on crime. -1331 +1329 01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:31,420 Where was he recommending amnesty? -1332 +1330 01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:32,090 Oh, yes. -1333 +1331 01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:35,760 Oh God, I tell you, is -1334 +1332 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,970 this was the great this is separated the sheep from the goats. -1335 +1333 01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:46,310 And if he wanted the support of Nixon and the Republican Party, then -1336 +1334 01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:49,820 he needs to go along. -1337 +1335 01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:52,440 And so he wouldn't come. -1338 +1336 01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:59,120 You know, not that Rockefeller -1339 +1337 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,330 wasn't coming in. -1340 +1338 01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:05,080 It's like slamming the door on you. -1341 +1339 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,790 You know, I slammed the door and we were locked in this room -1342 +1340 01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:10,800 and we didn't know what to do. -1343 +1341 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,720 You were to a great degree, -1344 +1342 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,550 despondent that we had no solution to this. -1345 +1343 01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:20,310 We didn't know what to do. -1346 +1344 01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:23,640 Made one last chance to convince the inmates -1347 +1345 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,350 to surrender. -1348 +1346 01:18:30,610 --> 01:18:33,070 That last night, Cell Block D. -1349 +1347 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,200 As we were trying to negotiate. -1350 +1348 01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:41,490 Demands that we thought. -1351 +1349 01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:44,200 But realistic. -1352 +1350 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,960 Was. A come to Jesus moment. -1353 +1351 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,300 This is what you wanted the demands. -1354 +1352 01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,550 This is what we were able to achieve. -1355 +1353 01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:01,300 This is where we stand now. -1356 +1354 01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:06,390 I'm not going to mislead you. -1357 +1355 01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:08,600 And believe that you can get anything better. -1358 +1356 01:19:09,650 --> 01:19:11,560 I do not believe you can get -1359 +1357 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,150 anything better. -1360 +1358 01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:16,280 I think we have to make -1361 +1359 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,820 a peaceful accommodation. -1362 +1360 01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:24,490 Ready to be shot down like dogs. -1363 +1361 01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:28,540 I said this is what we achieved. OK. -1364 +1362 01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:32,420 And turn around, look, -1365 +1363 01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:36,550 cellblock, then you see all those guns there, just waiting to kill us. -1366 +1364 01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:38,050 They want to kill us. -1367 +1365 01:19:38,050 --> 01:19:41,050 Do you understand that they want to show -1368 +1366 01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:44,010 that they have the power from the barrel of a gun? -1369 +1367 01:19:44,060 --> 01:19:45,520 That's what they want to do. -1370 +1368 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,270 Oh God, I don't know what's happening to me. -1371 +1369 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,310 We were warned by the observers -1372 +1370 01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:55,230 that if we didn't settle, even without the amnesty, -1373 +1371 01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:59,200 they were going to come in and it could get very bad. -1374 +1372 01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:05,660 And of course, we talked among ourselves, and we just couldn't -1375 +1373 01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:09,460 go without the amnesty because it would have been literally -1376 +1374 01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:11,670 sending all our leaders. -1377 +1375 01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:15,960 To the dogs to be -1378 +1376 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,720 tortured, murdered. -1379 +1377 01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:21,930 Convicted of crimes and -1380 +1378 01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:23,970 who knows what else, we had observed -1381 +1379 01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:28,850 the organization and preparation of the troopers to enter. -1382 +1380 01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:31,850 Hundreds of them with their shotguns -1383 +1381 01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:35,610 just outside the immediate area of the yard. -1384 +1382 01:20:36,190 --> 01:20:40,820 We witness the stationing of sharpshooters on one of the ledges -1385 +1383 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,320 looking down into DAAD. -1386 +1384 01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,740 Fear overtook the observers committee. -1387 +1385 01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:54,170 It seemed like they felt something was going to happen. -1388 +1386 01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:56,340 They were more. -1389 +1387 01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,300 Hesitant to leave, they left with a solemn mood. -1390 +1388 01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:02,510 He left us with a solemn like. -1391 +1389 01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:07,600 But is this better, just take care. -1392 +1390 01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:12,480 I remember seeing them leave, and, -1393 +1391 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:16,400 you know, it was a scary moment to see them leaving, -1394 +1392 01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:18,980 you know, knowing that there wasn't coming back. -1395 +1393 01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:23,400 I remember -1396 +1394 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,910 Big Black saying, I want to thank you for what you guys tried to do. -1397 +1395 01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:30,790 We really appreciate it. So there was a lot of that. -1398 +1396 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,290 When we went out of -1399 +1397 01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:36,670 that yard that night. -1400 +1398 01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:38,500 There were tears. -1401 +1399 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:40,420 Tears. -1402 +1400 01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:45,010 And I think all of us were hoping -1403 +1401 01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:47,140 that something happened at the last minute. -1404 +1402 01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:49,430 Stop it. -1405 +1403 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,270 I felt complete failure, -1406 +1404 01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:57,650 a failure that I had let them down. -1407 +1405 01:21:59,730 --> 01:22:03,110 one of the most painful things. -1408 +1406 01:22:03,190 --> 01:22:06,160 As inmates begin to. -1409 +1407 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,450 Hand me written notes, the telephone number. -1410 +1408 01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:14,080 Of their of their -1411 +1409 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,540 next of kin. -1412 +1410 01:22:16,460 --> 01:22:18,790 In case they didn't make it OK. -1413 +1411 01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:21,090 They wanted me. -1414 +1412 01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:24,050 They they I mean, a couple of them looked me in the eye with tears -1415 +1413 01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:27,300 for the Jones, but I don't make it. -1416 +1414 01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:28,930 You're going to call right. -1417 +1415 01:22:28,930 --> 01:22:31,260 I said, You have my word. -1418 +1416 01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:34,350 I will call you -1419 +1417 01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:38,690 any way optimistic that this thing could be settled by tomorrow. -1420 +1418 01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:42,530 I think I'm much too tired to be either optimistic or pessimistic at this moment. -1421 +1419 01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:44,860 I'm kind of just freaked out. -1422 +1420 01:22:56,540 --> 01:22:58,290 Randall, I know -1423 +1421 01:22:58,370 --> 01:23:00,920 it didn't stop ran until about -1424 +1422 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960 six in the morning. -1425 +1423 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,760 Cold Mountain, right? -1426 +1424 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:12,390 And we were not prepared for those little hunches that we had the -1427 +1425 01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:15,600 that people had built a yard up -1428 +1426 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,020 in every day, all alone started collapsing. -1429 +1427 01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,060 And you had to get on -1430 +1428 01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:25,820 solid ground concrete and huddled together -1431 +1429 01:23:26,110 --> 01:23:29,200 because everybody was shivering and everything else. -1432 +1430 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,830 It was a miserable night, one of the miserable nights -1433 +1431 01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:35,040 I ever spent in my life. -1434 +1432 01:23:37,620 --> 01:23:40,920 I could feel the tension in the air, the tension was so strong -1435 +1433 01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:43,880 that I could just basically grab it and hold on to it -1436 +1434 01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:46,170 . Am I going to make it? -1437 +1435 01:23:46,170 --> 01:23:48,630 Am I going to to this? -1438 +1436 01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:53,760 And that tension was so strong I could touch it, I could cut improperly in my hand. -1439 +1437 01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:59,310 There was an air. -1440 +1438 01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:06,110 We've been out there for about four days. -1441 +1439 01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:08,610 Wake up that morning and it's -1442 +1440 01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:11,070 wet and dreary out there, -1443 +1441 01:24:11,070 --> 01:24:14,450 and you could always smell the fumes -1444 +1442 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,200 of Guy's body in that trench that we dug in the yard. -1445 +1443 01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,250 You use the bathroom. -1446 +1444 01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:22,960 Right there in front of You Breathe initiative nowadays, -1447 +1445 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,960 so you want out. -1448 +1446 01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:30,260 What was really bad? -1449 +1447 01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,260 People's moods was that way, and -1450 +1448 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:34,510 it was crowded. -1451 +1449 01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:37,020 It started to rain a little bit. -1452 +1450 01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:38,140 You know, it was dog. -1453 +1451 01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:40,850 The sky was dark gray. -1454 +1452 01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:44,650 We heard that -1455 +1453 01:24:44,650 --> 01:24:46,770 we would be part of a medical evacuation. -1456 +1454 01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:50,530 And early on Monday morning, -1457 +1455 01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:52,950 we loaded into trucks and headed for Attica prison. -1458 +1456 01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:58,450 In the three years that I was in the National Guard, -1459 +1457 01:24:58,450 --> 01:25:02,580 I had not seen any kind of action in which violence was involved. -1460 +1458 01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:05,500 But we had a sense of dread, -1461 +1459 01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:08,210 and we had a wish that we could kind of not go. -1462 +1460 01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:12,760 And there was the hope, even at the last minute, that -1463 +1461 01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:15,970 by some miracle, maybe -1464 +1462 01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:19,390 Rockefeller would intervene. -1465 +1463 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,730 His refusal to come -1466 +1464 01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:25,860 here is a monstrosity, because what he is saying is kill these men. -1467 +1465 01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:27,940 I have no concern. -1468 +1466 01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:31,240 All I want to do is assault, law and order, -1469 +1467 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,990 and I think that's a rotten in exchange for life. -1470 +1468 01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:37,580 And we got to the prison -1471 +1469 01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:41,830 and saw the lines of state troopers and deputies -1472 +1470 01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:45,540 with their raincoats on and their weapons in hand. -1473 +1471 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:47,920 They looked exhausted. -1474 +1472 01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,300 They had been there, many of them for a couple of days at least, -1475 +1473 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,260 and they really didn't look up to the task that was given to them. -1476 +1474 01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:05,350 He was coming in, you could tell. -1477 +1475 01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:08,270 You can see them starting to get more people I wasn't able to count on. -1478 +1476 01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:11,730 What I saw was. -1479 +1477 01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:18,870 We got another matches to put up on that table committee, there's -1480 +1478 01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:22,750 going to be rubber bullets and I say that's what that's -1481 +1479 01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:24,960 what the word was. -1482 +1480 01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:29,960 I thought they were going to be a real old fashioned game for you. -1483 +1481 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,380 David, you want to call it, you know them versus us. -1484 +1482 01:26:32,630 --> 01:26:33,800 They've got the crowd. -1485 +1483 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,680 We've got a few bats and stuff in here, so we're going to -1486 +1484 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,640 best guy win. -1487 +1485 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,350 We started making preparations -1488 +1486 01:26:44,350 --> 01:26:47,350 and putting Vaseline on every part of our body -1489 +1487 01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:50,570 that could be exposed to gas and get burnt and stuff like that -1490 +1488 01:26:51,730 --> 01:26:53,900 padding ourselves with clothes. -1491 +1489 01:26:57,820 --> 01:26:58,780 Somebody saying -1492 +1490 01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:01,410 if they come in here, then that's good because I know my sheik. -1493 +1491 01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,120 It became apparent to me -1494 +1492 01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,540 that the situation was seriously deteriorating -1495 +1493 01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:13,250 and that the inmates, many of whom are confined to this maximum -1496 +1494 01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:17,220 security facility under light and long sentences. -1497 +1495 01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:21,640 We're not going to participate in a reasonable negotiation. -1498 +1496 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,770 Tensions within the walls -1499 +1497 01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:27,230 have steadily increased. -1500 +1498 01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:29,480 The action now underway -1501 +1499 01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:31,770 was initiated with extreme reluctance -1502 +1500 01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:36,240 only after all, attempts to achieve -1503 +1501 01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:40,820 a peaceful solution failed. -1504 +1502 01:27:40,990 --> 01:27:43,240 We were told that our mission was protection -1505 +1503 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,120 for the medical battalion during the commander's briefing. -1506 +1504 01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:49,460 We were told that to our knowledge, -1507 +1505 01:27:50,170 --> 01:27:52,840 the inmates had no guns. -1508 +1506 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,090 They had Spears. -1509 +1507 01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:56,340 They had some knives. -1510 +1508 01:27:56,340 --> 01:27:59,380 They had pipes that they were using as clubs. -1511 +1509 01:28:00,010 --> 01:28:02,390 But that was the extent of the threat. -1512 +1510 01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:05,390 So we knew that going in for, -1513 +1511 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,930 you know, 5:00 a.m. -1514 +1512 01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:11,440 September 13, we're on the roof of a block -1515 +1513 01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,980 waiting for the assault to begin. -1516 +1514 01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,360 This is a team of 270 rifle shooters. -1517 +1515 01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:22,530 The center of our pictures, men distributing -1518 +1516 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:24,830 baseball bats to the other prisoners. -1519 +1517 01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:28,250 We had no guns. We had no real weapons. -1520 +1518 01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:32,630 We had bullshit pieces of stick or a piece of iron -1521 +1519 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,210 or shank that somebody made up on the sidewalk. -1522 +1520 01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:40,380 It was. It was pathetic. -1523 +1521 01:28:40,380 --> 01:28:45,100 Just four days, almost to the minute after the convict insurrection started, -1524 +1522 01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:49,060 state police reinforced by sheriff's deputies, National Guardsmen -1525 +1523 01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:54,610 and correctional officers moving in on the prison time is 150 5:00 p.m. -1526 +1524 01:28:54,610 --> 01:29:00,070 We're on the roof of C Block looking at a detail of 270 marksmen -1527 +1525 01:29:00,610 --> 01:29:03,860 with instructions to clear the catwalks upon command. -1528 +1526 01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:06,660 They took some of the -1529 +1527 01:29:06,660 --> 01:29:12,120 hostages on top of the catwalks, which is on top of the hallways, -1530 +1528 01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:17,670 and some of the inmates held knives to the to their neck as a result. -1531 +1529 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,800 In an effort to try to stop the assault, -1532 +1530 01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,220 the hostages are armed with knives with their throats. -1533 +1531 01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,680 It was all just to show. -1534 +1532 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,350 The try to get them to say, Oh, wait a minute, it's my cousin, my brother. -1535 +1533 01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:34,100 All he's got. -1536 +1534 01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:38,150 We were hopeful that if they saw this, they would back off -1537 +1535 01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,610 and try to renegotiate so they could protect their own people. -1538 +1536 01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:47,660 The notion of sending -1539 +1537 01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:49,990 in correctional officers -1540 +1538 01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:53,000 who didn't love the prisoners to begin with -1541 +1539 01:29:53,790 --> 01:29:58,420 and state police who were stressed out was a serious miscalculation, -1542 +1540 01:29:58,420 --> 01:30:02,210 somebody should have said, wait a second, wait a second, these people are on edge. -1543 +1541 01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,430 There is hostility -1544 +1542 01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:11,520 and it's going to get out of control. -1545 +1543 01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:15,480 We know that now, did we know that -1546 +1544 01:30:16,020 --> 01:30:17,940 in real time? -1547 +1545 01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:21,480 I guess not. -1548 +1546 01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:27,110 I seen this as a glorious fight. -1549 +1547 01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:30,660 They would come in with batons -1550 +1548 01:30:30,660 --> 01:30:35,580 and stuff like that, and we would be fighting the brave battle -1551 +1549 01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:39,090 with baseball bats and stuff like that, I. -1552 +1550 01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:52,010 I did. -1553 +1551 01:30:57,730 --> 01:31:00,440 I just never expected. -1554 +1552 01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:03,650 The the coverage through what actually happened, -1555 +1553 01:31:03,650 --> 01:31:04,990 I'm sorry. -1556 +1554 01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:23,840 Helicopter, two helicopters and a. -1557 +1555 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,260 We're talking now going overhead -1558 +1556 01:31:30,260 --> 01:31:33,260 and over the wall into the prison. -1559 +1557 01:31:34,350 --> 01:31:37,350 It just disquieted, and Sky was getting dark, -1560 +1558 01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:40,100 and then we heard the helicopters does a dance. -1561 +1559 01:31:40,810 --> 01:31:43,230 This is fucking strange. -1562 +1560 01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,780 The helicopter comes up over the wall -1563 +1561 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,820 and it's hovering over the yard. -1564 +1562 01:31:54,740 --> 01:31:56,120 I seen this. -1565 +1563 01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,960 I thought it was a monster. -1566 +1564 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,290 It was a helicopter, a green helicopter. -1567 +1565 01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:02,000 It was flying low. -1568 +1566 01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,630 You see this. -1569 +1567 01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:12,760 It's like a sickly green gas with. -1570 +1568 01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:15,640 Sparkly stuff, minute coming down. -1571 +1569 01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:18,810 It tightens your chest. -1572 +1570 01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,440 Where you can hardly breathe. -1573 +1571 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,650 That gas knocked me down. -1574 +1572 01:32:24,190 --> 01:32:26,730 Oh, what that was. -1575 +1573 01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:29,110 And they had me so weak I could not. -1576 +1574 01:32:29,860 --> 01:32:32,990 Your eyes are just all burning, -1577 +1575 01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:35,450 your nose is burning, your mouth is burning. -1578 +1576 01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:43,830 I mean, -1579 +1577 01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:45,420 we are. -1580 +1578 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,220 And you got on the microphone, everybody in D-Block, yeah. -1581 +1579 01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:54,760 Put your hands in the air. -1582 +1580 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,390 And you are not behind. -1583 +1581 01:32:56,390 --> 01:33:01,020 Go to the nearest police officer and you will not be home. -1584 +1582 01:33:01,270 --> 01:33:04,440 You would not be home. We will not be. -1585 +1583 01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,690 You would not be here for that was. -1586 +1584 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,160 Do just ended up -1587 +1585 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,500 doing this to get blown away. -1588 +1586 01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:24,210 They blew his head off and then. -1589 +1587 01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:28,170 Has all of a sudden there was all this popping all around us -1590 +1588 01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:31,130 and all these little pops -1591 +1589 01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:34,930 all around us were actually bullets. -1592 +1590 01:33:35,890 --> 01:33:40,560 Oh, and you could really see because the CO2 public first heard -1593 +1591 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,730 you blah, that you can hear the boom going by your ear. -1594 +1592 01:33:49,150 --> 01:33:52,320 The hostages can't be seen in any. -1595 +1593 01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:57,320 I'm trying to stay on the ground as long as possible, -1596 +1594 01:33:58,490 --> 01:34:00,660 just like they were shooting down the barrel -1597 +1595 01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:04,500 and they started shooting point blank range, blowing guys away . -1598 +1596 01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:08,090 I got shot in the arm up there right through the back macroeconomist on. -1599 +1597 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,680 I I felt something. -1600 +1598 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,310 Go to my head, it must go, and it was burning, -1601 +1599 01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:22,770 no was shot. -1602 +1600 01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:26,190 I felt something hit my arm -1603 +1601 01:34:26,190 --> 01:34:28,810 and we're all numb and realized needed. -1604 +1602 01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:31,940 I got shot in the arm about two inches from my heart -1605 +1603 01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:36,360 and also a one to a football helmet on Spanish food. -1606 +1604 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,700 Now the guard is up on the catwalk. -1607 +1605 01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:44,120 He jumps out with a hammer and throws it up and it hits the catwalk. -1608 +1606 01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:49,040 And you can hear the sound clip and all of them turn looked at him, -1609 +1607 01:34:49,130 --> 01:34:53,590 and all of them turn their guns on a brutal dashboard body. -1610 +1608 01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,260 I'm assuming that you guys got anywhere -1611 +1609 01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:59,180 from 20 to 50 shots because his body was doing like that. -1612 +1610 01:34:59,180 --> 01:35:00,640 I'd never seen no shit like that. -1613 +1611 01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,640 Not as a nasty shoot in the street. -1614 +1612 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:03,560 I'd never seen them. I did. -1615 +1613 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,020 I mean. -1616 +1614 01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:12,940 This was a holiday for the. -1617 +1615 01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:16,070 We got no guns to shoot back. -1618 +1616 01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:16,650 You know what? -1619 +1617 01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:21,030 It is a shoe store man and it's a shoe, but that's just a holiday -1620 +1618 01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:24,040 slow motion and all it was -1621 +1619 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,620 that was save money. -1622 +1620 01:35:27,620 --> 01:35:30,170 That's what they will follow to each other. -1623 +1621 01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:32,130 I was scared. -1624 +1622 01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:35,760 I've done bad things, but I never did this bad. -1625 +1623 01:35:36,170 --> 01:35:37,260 As no. -1626 +1624 01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,640 These guys are real fucking cold blooded -1627 +1625 01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,260 killers and shit. -1628 +1626 01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:47,480 Until that moment came, -1629 +1627 01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,110 what is killing really started, and I realize that -1630 +1628 01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:55,610 you're not that fucking bad guy, no more, man, there's more power with his words -1631 +1629 01:35:55,610 --> 01:35:58,780 new, every bullet that missed by me, -1632 +1630 01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:01,160 if he could move. -1633 +1631 01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:05,410 Close to me, I winced, -1634 +1632 01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:09,160 then all of a sudden, it just stopped. -1635 +1633 01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:25,430 There are -1636 +1634 01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:28,680 people throwing off their smoke gear. -1637 +1635 01:36:29,230 --> 01:36:31,440 They ran out screaming niggers, niggers, niggers -1638 +1636 01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,400 and two of them pointed their guns at me. -1639 +1637 01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:38,190 Negative niggers. -1640 +1638 01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:40,280 And I said, Don't shoot, don't shoot. -1641 +1639 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,320 Don't shoot. -1642 +1640 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,200 Well, I'm coughing with all the gas. -1643 +1641 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,790 I've been gassed. -1644 +1642 01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:48,750 It's an awful thing. -1645 +1643 01:36:48,750 --> 01:36:50,540 William Kunstler -1646 +1644 01:36:51,540 --> 01:36:54,380 has said that people are dying in there. -1647 +1645 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,550 And I agree with that. -1648 +1646 01:36:59,050 --> 01:37:03,390 But that people are dying and then a shooting went on forever -1649 +1647 01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:07,220 and then it was like the shooting subsided -1650 +1648 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,890 and then I heard some. -1651 +1649 01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:15,400 After the shooting subsided, I heard some single shot -1652 +1650 01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:18,650 bang and bang. -1653 +1651 01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:30,040 After they took over the prison, -1654 +1652 01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,660 all those books that had been speaking to the cameras -1655 +1653 01:37:34,170 --> 01:37:37,170 were all targeted and tortured. -1656 +1654 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,840 So yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted. -1657 +1655 01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:45,050 Andy Barclay. -1658 +1656 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,220 They were calling his name. -1659 +1657 01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:50,600 Going to that, Bob, looking for him -1660 +1658 01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:54,100 and threatening him with what they were going to do to him. -1661 +1659 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,320 When they when they found him and they found him, -1662 +1660 01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:00,860 he was yelling. -1663 +1661 01:38:01,530 --> 01:38:03,990 No, no, but it's too fucking late. -1664 +1662 01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:07,070 They had him do acting, actually dragging him towards a -1665 +1663 01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:10,370 block far yard over there. -1666 +1664 01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:13,080 He's Holland new agreement and the acuity. -1667 +1665 01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:27,590 You can see because the gas is so thick, -1668 +1666 01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:31,220 but all of a sudden a puff of wind comes -1669 +1667 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,390 and disperses the gas. -1670 +1668 01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:37,560 And then I could see. -1671 +1669 01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,650 And what I saw was fright. -1672 +1670 01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:44,150 Hundreds of bodies just laying there. -1673 +1671 01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:47,950 Some were moaning, some wasn't moving. -1674 +1672 01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,740 Blood was everywhere. -1675 +1673 01:38:55,710 --> 01:39:00,040 We were given stretchers and told to go into the prison. -1676 +1674 01:39:01,170 --> 01:39:03,260 It was really an unthinkable scene. -1677 +1675 01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:06,130 It was dead and wounded and simply -1678 +1676 01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:08,890 starting to carry them out. -1679 +1677 01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:12,140 It was far beyond anything -1680 +1678 01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:15,310 I had imagined when they said we would be doing medical evacuation. -1681 +1679 01:39:16,230 --> 01:39:18,980 We were basically civilians -1682 +1680 01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:22,110 put into a situation where state troopers -1683 +1681 01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:24,530 and correctional officers had created a war zone. -1684 +1682 01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:31,120 There was a pile of bodies, maybe eight or ten people, -1685 +1683 01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,160 and the man on top, it had his eyes shot out. -1686 +1684 01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:57,600 Right below us, -1687 +1685 01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,230 there was a huge pool of rainwater -1688 +1686 01:40:01,060 --> 01:40:03,400 and it was blood red. -1689 +1687 01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:07,070 And I looked down on down at it -1690 +1688 01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,070 and they said, Those are false teeth down there, aren't they? -1691 +1689 01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:13,910 And somebody said, Yeah. -1692 +1690 01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:18,710 The attitude of the people -1693 +1691 01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:20,830 who should have been concerned -1694 +1692 01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:24,420 about what had happened was simply that they were -1695 +1693 01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:28,010 pleased with what had happened -1696 +1694 01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:31,220 and had no qualms or second thoughts -1697 +1695 01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,470 or anything but satisfaction -1698 +1696 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:37,640 with Walker wants to go back to. -1699 +1697 01:40:42,810 --> 01:40:45,230 Why white power weight, -1700 +1698 01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,400 right, right? -1701 +1699 01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:56,120 They had control. -1702 +1700 01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:58,410 And once they had control, you would think -1703 +1701 01:40:58,410 --> 01:41:00,830 that things would have stopped. -1704 +1702 01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,250 They didn't. -1705 +1703 01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:09,590 It was clear that at that point it was all about revenge. -1706 +1704 01:41:10,130 --> 01:41:12,930 It was all about reestablishing who was in charge. -1707 +1705 01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:16,680 And the most violent ways possible. -1708 +1706 01:41:24,270 --> 01:41:26,940 Everybody had to crawl through shit, -1709 +1707 01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:29,230 human waste. -1710 +1708 01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:33,660 But what do you do? -1711 +1709 01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:37,120 Do you live to tell your story -1712 +1710 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,450 like I'm doing today or do you fucking die? -1713 +1711 01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:41,200 I made a choice. -1714 +1712 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,540 I want to live. -1715 +1713 01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,460 Chrome nickel chrome -1716 +1714 01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:50,550 for like a dog. -1717 +1715 01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:58,720 If you look up, nigga, I'll blow your motherfucking brains out. -1718 +1716 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,270 What the fuck they care about calling you a nigger? -1719 +1717 01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:06,310 That was your name. -1720 +1718 01:42:07,150 --> 01:42:08,440 They had us marching -1721 +1719 01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:10,820 around the yard with our with our hands -1722 +1720 01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:13,900 interlocked like this on top of our heads, -1723 +1721 01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,110 abject surrender. -1724 +1722 01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:30,420 When I saw these naked bodies -1725 +1723 01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:35,300 lined up, snaked around the area, it reminded me -1726 +1724 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:40,970 of portrayals of of African-Americans being heard it on the slave ships. -1727 +1725 01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,390 That was just horrendous, just horrible, -1728 +1726 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,520 horrible. -1729 +1727 01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:58,280 We're next in the middle of fucking yard. -1730 +1728 01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,160 God's going around with like baby bats. -1731 +1729 01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:06,120 It was seven remote guys as I'm laying here and I'm hoping -1732 +1730 01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,420 they don't come my way. -1733 +1731 01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:24,020 Frank Schmidt, Big Black, was put on a table -1734 +1732 01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:27,690 with the football under his throat. -1735 +1733 01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,190 People stood up above him on the catwalk, -1736 +1734 01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:37,450 aiming their guns down at him, throwing cigars and cigaret butts on him -1737 +1735 01:43:39,070 --> 01:43:39,740 . And -1738 +1736 01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:43,080 it said, Do said football falls, nigger, we're going to shoot you. -1739 +1737 01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:49,170 He was told to get to his feet. -1740 +1738 01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:52,130 He tried, he stumbled, he fell. -1741 +1739 01:43:52,130 --> 01:43:54,170 He was hit with clubs -1742 +1740 01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:56,670 on his back between his legs. -1743 +1741 01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,260 And he was crying out. -1744 +1742 01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:03,050 You know, don't do this. Don't do this. -1745 +1743 01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,600 And then you could hear him screaming as -1746 +1744 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,600 he went up to the prison. -1747 +1745 01:44:14,110 --> 01:44:16,570 It felt good that I had survived this shit. -1748 +1746 01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:19,990 And now I got a look out -1749 +1747 01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:24,200 because some motion is coming. -1750 +1748 01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:30,170 The inmates were entering -1751 +1749 01:44:30,170 --> 01:44:32,710 these corridors off of the yard -1752 +1750 01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:36,380 and the guards were like -1753 +1751 01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:38,840 five or six feet apart with their clubs -1754 +1752 01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:43,640 and they would hit them against the wall and there was just this -1755 +1753 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,770 dull drum like sound. -1756 +1754 01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:50,310 And then they were hitting the inmates as they ran a gantlet. -1757 +1755 01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:57,400 We could hear the screams coming out -1758 +1756 01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,990 so that we knew they were being tortured -1759 +1757 01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:05,330 and that we were somehow part of this unthinkable scene -1760 +1758 01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:09,080 that there was no escaping from but was completely wrong. -1761 +1759 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,090 They had guards on both sides, and they would be hitting you -1762 +1760 01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:17,840 as you were running through beating you -1763 +1761 01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,800 with hoses and batons and whatever they had in their hands. -1764 +1762 01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:24,140 I'm ducking, trying to get through, -1765 +1763 01:45:24,140 --> 01:45:27,760 protecting my head, so I hit all of my all the elbows. -1766 +1764 01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,140 My knees still hurt, beating you and they're making you run -1767 +1765 01:45:32,140 --> 01:45:33,230 through the gantlet with it, -1768 +1766 01:45:33,230 --> 01:45:36,190 took all the glass out the fucking windows and put it in the middle of the floor. -1769 +1767 01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,480 So you had to run through grass with bare feet. -1770 +1768 01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,940 Nobody came out of that yard. -1771 +1769 01:45:40,940 --> 01:45:46,030 What with picking without having to pick a shot of your feet for four weeks? -1772 +1770 01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:51,370 Couldn't walk, nobody could walk anymore. -1773 +1771 01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:53,460 But we had to run because if you didn't run, -1774 +1772 01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,500 they just kept beating you with these clubs. -1775 +1773 01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:08,810 The families of the hostages, a lot of them waited -1776 +1774 01:46:08,810 --> 01:46:12,560 just outside the prison wall. -1777 +1775 01:46:14,980 --> 01:46:17,360 Then news began to filter out of Attica. -1778 +1776 01:46:17,690 --> 01:46:20,900 Names of freed hostages were called out to the loved one -1779 +1777 01:46:21,070 --> 01:46:23,990 by Curtis Lieutenant Colonel -1780 +1778 01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:25,160 Robert -1781 +1779 01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:26,740 Elder. -1782 +1780 01:46:29,950 --> 01:46:31,750 Some didn't see their men come out. -1783 +1781 01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:33,580 All they learned was the name of the hospital -1784 +1782 01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:35,370 where the survivors were being treated. -1785 +1783 01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:36,790 There were no time to wait. -1786 +1784 01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:40,210 They ran off to see their man. -1787 +1785 01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:44,670 People couldn't seem to run fast enough. -1788 +1786 01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:51,510 My mom came home and she was with her sister, -1789 +1787 01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:53,730 and my mom was crying, obviously upset. -1790 +1788 01:46:57,150 --> 01:46:59,110 I was outside sitting on the front porch, -1791 +1789 01:46:59,110 --> 01:47:02,230 you know, praying and worrying, and where's dad? -1792 +1790 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,070 I respect him to show up, you know, and. -1793 +1791 01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:09,070 I again, my mom was dead. -1794 +1792 01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:11,870 What's what's why are you crying, what's going on? -1795 +1793 01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:15,830 Well, my mother came back in the house and, you know, he -1796 +1794 01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:19,210 she said, nobody to play with me now, are you? -1797 +1795 01:47:19,210 --> 01:47:22,500 I mean, you know, because I didn't want to believe it. -1798 +1796 01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:26,630 And she finally said, I saw him. -1799 +1797 01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:29,090 I saw him. -1800 +1798 01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:33,520 Finally, -1801 +1799 01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,480 she blurted out, Your father's dead. -1802 +1800 01:47:37,810 --> 01:47:39,270 So it ran. -1803 +1801 01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,610 We're in for a while, and I came back -1804 +1802 01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:49,910 and I was sitting on the front porch trying to be strong and not cry. -1805 +1803 01:47:49,950 --> 01:47:53,030 And I could hear everybody in the house crying -1806 +1804 01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:55,620 and I was trying to be so tough and. -1807 +1805 01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:04,880 All right. -1808 +1806 01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:06,630 Yeah, right. -1809 +1807 01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:24,690 The National Guardsmen were told to get back in their trucks, -1810 +1808 01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:28,110 and we did that and were taken out to the parking area. -1811 +1809 01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,660 And the colonel then addressed the battalion, maybe several hundred men, -1812 +1810 01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,370 and he said, essentially you saw things -1813 +1811 01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:40,080 that were excessive and wrong today. -1814 +1812 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,250 And I have to ask you not to speak of this to anyone -1815 +1813 01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:48,630 because the world will not understand what happened here today. -1816 +1814 01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:54,550 The most violent rebellion in modern American penal history -1817 +1815 01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:58,020 came to an end today at the maximum security prison in New York. -1818 +1816 01:48:58,310 --> 01:49:01,310 In the final hours of the revolt, led primarily by blacks, -1819 +1817 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,110 the inmates murdered nine of their white hostages. -1820 +1818 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:05,860 28 convicts were killed -1821 +1819 01:49:05,860 --> 01:49:09,150 by state troopers, and sheriff's deputies will regain control of the prison. -1822 +1820 01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:12,820 The storming of the prison had the full approval of New York's governor, -1823 +1821 01:49:12,820 --> 01:49:17,370 Rockefeller, who earlier had rejected a prisoner demand for complete clemency. -1824 +1822 01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:22,080 The White House said that after the prison was retaken, President Nixon telephoned -1825 +1823 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,340 the governor to express his approval of Rockefeller's action. -1826 +1824 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,920 We went in we couldn't tell whether all 39 -1827 +1825 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,090 hostages would be killed and maybe two or 300 prisoners. -1828 +1826 01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:35,970 So we were able to pick off -1829 +1827 01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,640 either from the wall or as our men went in. -1830 +1828 01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:41,940 The man who had the -1831 +1829 01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:44,400 knives at the throat of the hostages -1832 +1830 01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:48,320 and they did a fabulous job. -1833 +1831 01:49:48,610 --> 01:49:50,740 I mean, this is this -1834 +1832 01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:53,950 are these primarily blacks? -1835 +1833 01:49:53,950 --> 01:49:56,820 Know, and the whole thing was led by the black cabinet, -1836 +1834 01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:59,080 are all the All Blacks? -1837 +1835 01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:04,870 I haven't got that report, but I have to admit I just out. -1838 +1836 01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,290 Yeah, yeah, we've got to have any. -1839 +1837 01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:10,420 We just not tolerate this kind of -1840 +1838 01:50:11,630 --> 01:50:12,590 anarchy. -1841 +1839 01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:20,640 Yesterday, officials at the prison said -1842 +1840 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,560 eight of the hostages had had their throats cut. -1843 +1841 01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:26,730 But today, the Monroe County medical examiner, -1844 +1842 01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:30,280 having looked at the bodies, said no throats were cut at all. -1845 +1843 01:50:30,860 --> 01:50:35,530 The medical examiner says the hostages were apparently killed by a large caliber -1846 +1844 01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:38,620 ammunition and shotgun blasts from a distance, -1847 +1845 01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:42,660 which immediately raised the possibility that some of the hostages may -1848 +1846 01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:46,540 in fact have been shot down by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them. -1849 +1847 01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:50,590 Some of the hostages were actually shot -1850 +1848 01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:53,920 running towards the state troopers thinking, -1851 +1849 01:50:54,130 --> 01:50:57,140 I'm saved, I'm saved. -1852 +1850 01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:59,220 And the hostages were dressed -1853 +1851 01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,970 the same way the inmates were. -1854 +1852 01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:05,140 Anything that inmate garb on it. -1855 +1853 01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:07,980 They just started shooting at. -1856 +1854 01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:14,110 What Rockefeller had done was treat. -1857 +1855 01:51:15,190 --> 01:51:17,360 The hostages -1858 +1856 01:51:17,950 --> 01:51:21,370 as no more real live -1859 +1857 01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:26,290 human beings who deserve to be respected than the prisoners. -1860 +1858 01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:30,540 And so you kill them all and you restore order -1861 +1859 01:51:31,090 --> 01:51:35,170 and you make me into a major -1862 +1860 01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:38,510 figure who believes in law and order -1863 +1861 01:51:39,010 --> 01:51:43,260 at a time when that concept is beginning -1864 +1862 01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:46,890 to really take hold. -1865 +1863 01:52:08,670 --> 01:52:09,370 We should have entered -1866 +1864 01:52:09,370 --> 01:52:11,960 in a negotiated settlement. -1867 +1865 01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:14,880 No, they were they were interested in that, they were interested in showing. -1868 +1866 01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:19,380 The naked fist of power law and order. -1869 +1867 01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:24,140 The national mindset of the nation was law and order. -1870 +1868 01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:27,640 And law and order does not permit. -1871 +1869 01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:32,190 Any challenge? -1872 +1870 01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:35,150 To his authority whatsoever. -1873 +1871 01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:38,070 God willing, a few more months in January will be 90 years old. -1874 +1872 01:52:39,490 --> 01:52:42,200 I will never, ever, ever, ever, -1875 +1873 01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:44,830 ever, ever, ever. -1876 +1874 01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:47,330 We get Atika. -1877 +1875 01:52:47,620 --> 01:52:48,290 Ever. -1878 +1876 01:52:51,370 --> 01:52:54,710 It didn't have to be that way. -1879 +1877 01:53:38,630 --> 01:53:41,130 All eight cases. -1880 +1878 01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:45,140 Died of gunshot wounds. -1881 +1879 01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:48,180 There was no evidence of slash throats. -1882 +1880 01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:53,140 We're sure -1883 +1881 01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:58,900 your. The. -1884 +1882 01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:11,910 I have never received an apology. -1885 +1883 01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:15,670 I've never received an apology, and for me, -1886 +1884 01:54:15,670 --> 01:54:17,670 that's a pretty big deal. -1887 +1885 01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:26,140 What is money -1888 +1886 01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:29,140 do when you don't have your dad -1889 +1887 01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:31,970 or your brother or your uncle who? -1890 +1888 01:54:34,690 --> 01:54:37,310 How does that replace anything? -1891 +1889 01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:40,440 And I think it was the state's way of saying, -1892 +1890 01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:45,820 we're going to give you this money and we want you to go away and. -1893 +1891 01:54:49,580 --> 01:54:52,910 This is my. -1894 +1892 01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:55,710 True. -1895 +1893 01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:58,540 Well, she. -1896 +1894 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,880 He threw -1897 +1895 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,930 for nearly 30 years, former Attica inmates have waited for justice. -1898 +1896 01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,350 Today, it finally came in the form of a 12 -1899 +1897 01:55:10,350 --> 01:55:12,970 million dollar settlement. -1900 +1898 01:55:14,350 --> 01:55:18,940 Be. There's no justice. -1901 +1899 01:55:20,860 --> 01:55:22,900 All we got was money -1902 +1900 01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:25,360 and money wasn't enough. -1903 +1901 01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,070 Then you can't justify all the killings that happened in Attica. -1904 +1902 01:55:28,700 --> 01:55:30,410 You can't justify that. -1905 +1903 01:55:30,410 --> 01:55:31,450 So there's no justice. -1906 +1904 01:55:31,450 --> 01:55:34,000 There is no justice. -1907 +1905 01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,040 We shall. -1908 +1906 01:55:40,130 --> 01:55:43,630 Be. And. -1909 +1907 01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,300 They might. -1910 +1908 01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:53,430 True. -1911 +1909 01:55:55,060 --> 01:55:57,640 Well, I'm sure. -1912 +1910 01:55:58,770 --> 01:56:01,980 Me, too, -1913 +1911 01:56:01,980 --> 01:56:04,530 do so. -1914 +1912 01:56:10,740 --> 01:56:12,910 And. Be. -1915 +1913 01:56:21,210 --> 01:56:27,090 You. Some -1916 +1914 01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:45,860 foolish. Oh.