diff --git a/Attica.srt b/Attica.srt index 2ad096d..3b7019c 100644 --- a/Attica.srt +++ b/Attica.srt @@ -3059,7 +3059,7 @@ Lasciatelo finire per favore. 706 00:46:07,728 --> 00:46:09,840 -Non si può sfanculare chi sfancula. +..Non si può sfanculare chi sfancula. 707 00:46:09,952 --> 00:46:11,520 @@ -3067,4944 +3067,4929 @@ Non si può fare. 708 00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:16,704 -The first time he came in, I'm going to do +Appena arrivato, ha cominciato a dire: "Faccio questo e quello" 709 00:46:16,992 --> 00:46:20,064 -and people said, All right, -going back to business, get it done, +e la gente ha detto: "Perfetto, vai e fai". 710 00:46:20,176 --> 00:46:22,896 -came back in and started talking -and you know, +Poi è tornato e ha iniziato a parlare, sai.. 711 00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,840 -it was going around about hearing around -about then this scenario. +a menare il can per l’aia e faceva giri di parole, +“Ora lasciate andare gli ostaggi". 712 -00:46:27,968 --> 00:46:30,928 -Not that the hostages go. +00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,088 +Va bene, che ne dici di essere tu un ostaggio? 713 -00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:33,020 -whatever, you know, power +00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,728 +Sono più di 29 ore che chiediamo cibo e acqua 714 -00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:34,780 -and water. +00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:38,496 +Non ne abbiamo. Terremo qui il signor Russell 715 -00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,740 -We haven't got that. +00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:42,048 +Russell G. Oswald +finché non avremo cibo e acqua. 716 -00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:38,860 -We're going to get Mr. Harper for himself. +00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:46,768 +Non lo lasceremo uscire di qui. +Lo teniamo in ostaggio. 717 -00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:40,370 -So we got to. +00:46:46,832 --> 00:46:50,736 +Abbiamo zittito tutti. +Noi non saremo come loro. 718 -00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:45,330 -We're not letting him out of here -and keeping him in Austin. +00:46:50,816 --> 00:46:53,136 +Non mancheremo alla parola data. 719 -00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:47,960 -We all we shut that down. +00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:56,640 +Cosa? I detenuti avrebbero più onore di loro?” +Esatto! 720 -00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,750 -We're not going to be like them. +00:46:56,730 --> 00:47:00,208 +Abbiamo dato la nostra parola +che non gli sarebbe accaduto nulla. 721 -00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:50,920 -We're not going to break our word. +00:47:07,312 --> 00:47:11,776 +E tutti hanno iniziato a gridare: +Lasciatelo andare! Lasciatelo andare! 722 -00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,920 -And it says, well, inmates -would be more honorable than them. +00:47:11,952 --> 00:47:14,080 +Calma, per favore. 723 -00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,800 -Yes, we were because we gave him my word -nothing would happen to him. +00:47:17,936 --> 00:47:19,840 +E lui ha schivato il colpo. 724 -00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:07,850 -Everybody starts +00:47:19,936 --> 00:47:22,176 +E non è più tornato. 725 -00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:10,440 -screaming at him, go, let him go. - -726 -00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:12,360 -Don't. - -727 -00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,900 -He got out of Dodge. - -728 -00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,240 -He never came back. - -729 00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,200 In New York State, -730 +726 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,580 some 500 inmates of the Attica maximum security prison are still in revolt. -731 +727 00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:34,000 Authorities tried unsuccessfully to reach a settlement with the prisoners -732 +728 00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:38,300 over demands for reforms and to obtain release of more than 30 hostages. -733 +729 00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,340 We have a report on what's been happening at Attica from ABC's John Johnson. -734 +730 00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,390 Fires were still burning at Attica State Prison, -735 +731 00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:48,680 despite a small army of police and state troopers. -736 +732 00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:51,480 The prisoners continue to call the shots at Attica. -737 +733 00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:54,610 Commissioner Oswald announced that -738 +734 00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:57,570 prison officials were attempting to bring to the prison -739 +735 00:47:57,730 --> 00:48:02,530 those people requested by the prisoners in areas under where the group -740 +736 00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:05,490 was basically people -741 +737 00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:10,040 whom they knew people like Tom Wicker, -742 +738 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,790 who had written a column about prisoners. -743 +739 00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:16,000 Senator John Dunn was chairman -744 +740 00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,590 of the Prisons Committee and sympathetic. -745 +741 00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,170 He was asked to come. -746 +742 00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:24,550 Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago -747 +743 00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:27,140 seven, asked him to come in -748 +744 00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:32,350 and Clarence Jones, publisher of the Amsterdam News. -749 +745 00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:38,020 Have a driver was -750 +746 00:48:38,020 --> 00:48:41,490 driving me up, the ampersand is the driver, says Boss, -751 +747 00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:43,990 they're calling your name on the radio, so what you mean? -752 +748 00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,200 Called Rockefeller, -753 +749 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000 and lo and behold, the governor picked up the phone. -754 +750 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,080 He said, thank you so much. -755 +751 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,500 Mr Jones, we have a major situation. -756 +752 00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:58,500 A number of the inmates -757 +753 00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,590 have called your name. -758 +754 00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:04,630 We'll have a car and pick you up. -759 +755 00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:07,010 And taking him to a private airport. -760 +756 00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:10,100 We're a state private -761 +757 00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,270 plane is waiting for you. -762 +758 00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:16,020 And there are more. -763 +759 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,900 Atika, you be part of the. -764 +760 00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:21,990 Observers committee. -765 +761 00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:26,450 My wife and I were off on vacation at the time -766 +762 00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:27,870 and we got a call -767 +763 00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,790 that they had asked me to come there, and I felt that with my prior experience -768 +764 00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:35,670 and my responsibilities as a chairman of the prison committee ought to be there. -769 +765 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,750 I was optimistic. -770 +766 00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:40,550 I thought. -771 +767 00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:42,340 Give it a shot. -772 +768 00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:45,760 For the rebel prisoners of Attica, the encouraging appearance, -773 +769 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,680 the people, they consider friends. -774 +770 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,220 A 30 man mediation committee, including a congressman for newsmen -775 +771 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,230 and most importantly, lawyer William Kunstler. -776 +772 00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,900 Have you heard anything from Governor Rockefeller's office? -777 +773 00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,110 I mean, has he put any time limit on these negotiations? -778 +774 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400 No, but I understand that there is no present -779 +775 00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:07,030 plan to use force in this prison, and I hope that continues. -780 +776 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,910 I just hope that they realize that this is a unique situation -781 +777 00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:15,000 and that it may take time and that if everyone has a good faith, -782 +778 00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,080 something will work out. -783 +779 00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:21,630 It was scary, the tension was tremendous. -784 +780 00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:25,470 Eager to cut the air with a knife, it was terrifying. -785 +781 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,890 I remember going into the yard and saying to Mel, Where was I? -786 +782 00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:30,050 Do you have a cigaret? -787 +783 00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:30,470 And he said, -788 +784 00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:33,770 You have one on you, one in your hand, one in your mouth and one in your. -789 +785 00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,600 I was scared. -790 +786 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,770 When you see a tower with people with rifles, -791 +787 00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:43,020 I kept thinking -792 +788 00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,990 we should stay close to Tom Wicker and Herman Badillo -793 +789 00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:48,530 because they would be the least likely to be shot. -794 +790 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,620 Frank Big Black -795 +791 00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:56,540 Smith was the overall security leader. -796 +792 00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:59,670 He took that job on himself already. -797 +793 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000 He was the guy. -798 +794 00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:04,170 Here's the big man. -799 +795 00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:06,840 I mean, this is big. -800 +796 00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,680 That was responsible to make sure -801 +797 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,680 that the observers that came in. -802 +798 00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,890 They the same way they can't manage the same way -803 +799 00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:19,480 they did that, you know, no harm come to them. -804 +800 00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,060 He said, Well, we've got to have a security force. -805 +801 00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,610 So we were looking for volunteers. -806 +802 00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:27,570 You, you. -807 +803 00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:30,610 Along the way for her, -808 +804 00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:35,330 can't be all black as we need black guys, white guys and Puerto Ricans. -809 +805 00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,420 We would line up and create a corridor, -810 +806 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,840 and they would walk down the middle of the corridor with us being a barrier -811 +807 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,630 between general population and the negotiators. -812 +808 00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680 So we would just stand shoulder to shoulder and give them -813 +809 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,010 that safe space to walk through. -814 +810 00:52:00,310 --> 00:52:01,730 We begin to talk with them -815 +811 00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:06,690 about what they wanted, and they had their their -816 +812 00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,700 their list of things that they wanted already written. -817 +813 00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,950 You know, everybody wanted a voice. -818 +814 00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:14,660 Good, bad. -819 +815 00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:19,000 And it worked out, so nothing went easy, but it went. -820 +816 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:24,920 We got to a point where we had what we thought might be possible. -821 +817 00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:27,670 Their demands were, you know, -822 +818 00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:31,260 reasonable demands about living conditions. -823 +819 00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:34,090 They wanted medical care. -824 +820 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,430 Decent food, -825 +821 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,850 fair disciplinary hearings. -826 +822 00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,440 Basically, -827 +823 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,400 they wanted to be treated like human beings, -828 +824 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,820 prisoners late last night met with a civilian committee -829 +825 00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,160 in an attempt to clarify demands ranging from better prison -830 +826 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,910 life conditions to more religious and political freedom. -831 +827 00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:03,920 I injected into the two demands -832 +828 00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:08,170 for some people to go to non imperialistic country. -833 +829 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,880 You have to be frightened flight out. -834 +830 00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:12,920 We thought Cuba was going to come and get us. -835 +831 00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:17,800 You ship troops to Vietnam to stop the men. -836 +832 00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,810 Go to all these five countries to press the button. -837 +833 00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:23,850 You can bet why these helicopters in air and ship -838 +834 00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,230 on this country. -839 +835 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,440 We didn't seeing people snatch airplanes -840 +836 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,940 and all like dead and go to Cuba and Algiers and all other places. -841 +837 00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,950 Why not get out of jail? -842 +838 00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:38,120 An Air France jet was hijacked by Palestinian girls. -843 +839 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,830 17 year old girl hijacked a twb jetliner -844 +840 00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,580 I have for years and on a 25 to life sentence. -845 +841 00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:46,960 Why not get out of jail? -846 +842 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,040 Why not? -847 +843 00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:50,590 We all do that. -848 +844 00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:52,010 I wasn't going to happen. -849 +845 00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:54,260 We weren't going to go to -850 +846 00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:55,840 Algeria on the plane. -851 +847 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,680 I knew that everybody in the back of their mind knew that. -852 +848 00:53:59,850 --> 00:54:01,010 But we need it, obviously. -853 +849 00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,480 We want the federal -854 +850 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,560 judiciary to guarantee complete amnesty to each and every one of us -855 +851 00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:13,940 has taken part in the struggle here at Attica to ensure that this amnesty -856 +852 00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:19,120 will not be just a groping in the win, but a reality for each and every one of us. -857 +853 00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:23,620 They were not looking to be relieved of the prison sentences -858 +854 00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:27,080 to which they have been sent by the courts after being convicted. -859 +855 00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:30,500 They were looking to be freed from any -860 +856 00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,880 prosecution or any penalties -861 +857 00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,340 for their engaging in the riot. -862 +858 00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:41,260 Besides the normal beatings and everything else -863 +859 00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:45,350 they're going to do to us, which is, you know, automatic. -864 +860 00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:49,940 We knew that they could also take us and bring us to court and, -865 +861 00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,690 you know, and turn us into the monster inmates who took over the prison. -866 +862 00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:59,110 We are not advocating violence. -867 +863 00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200 We all want to live. -868 +864 00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:07,290 All right. -869 +865 00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:09,290 If you get one on dog. -870 +866 00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,420 You're treating them better than we have been treated -871 +867 00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:15,880 the last. -872 +868 00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,220 They were fiercely -873 +869 00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:25,520 trying to convince prison authorities that they didn't cease -874 +870 00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,100 being a human being merely by the fact that they were -875 +871 00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:32,400 incarcerated because they had broken. -876 +872 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,860 A law society, and that's a profound thing. -877 +873 00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:40,570 I am somebody. -878 +874 00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:42,700 I'm not a thing. -879 +875 00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:46,290 You can't treat me like a dog. -880 +876 00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:48,580 I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity. -881 +877 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040 And that's what they insisted. -882 +878 00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,250 I'm getting the. -883 +879 00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:59,420 Power structure of Africa to recognize. -884 +880 00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:03,550 That they continue to be. -885 +881 00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:04,930 Somebody. -886 +882 00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,140 All of you have seen -887 +883 00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:10,390 the observers, they all were listening to us. -888 +884 00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:13,600 I feel that they were supporting us. -889 +885 00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:15,730 We see. -890 +886 00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:17,900 And that meant a lot to us. -891 +887 00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:21,280 This is our situation. -892 +888 00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,740 Please listen to us. And that's what they were doing. -893 +889 00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,030 They were listening. -894 +890 00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:27,410 It felt like they were somebody that believed in us. -895 +891 00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,160 It felt that way. -896 +892 00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080 If somebody believe that you know, you did have some rights, -897 +893 00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,420 even though you were a convicted felon or whatever. -898 +894 00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:37,920 Would we able to get -899 +895 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,340 a better mailing privileges, better medical privileges? -900 +896 00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:47,390 We tried to nail it down to that, which was realistic and possible over -901 +897 00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:50,100 distinguished from a plane waiting for us -902 +898 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,730 outside the cellblock, flying us to Cuba. -903 +899 00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:57,690 That's what it was like it was it was realism -904 +900 00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:01,570 from fantasy. -905 +901 00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:05,370 We want to be treated as human beings, -906 +902 00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:08,280 we will be treated as human beings. -907 +903 00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:11,290 Yeah, we have come to the conclusion. -908 +904 00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:15,120 That's the study. -909 +905 00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:19,920 After much suffering. -910 +906 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,090 After much consideration. -911 +907 00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:25,890 But if we cannot move -912 +908 00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:27,180 people. -913 +909 00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:30,680 We will at least try. -914 +910 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,980 Today, let me. -915 +911 00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,190 That statement was sounded -916 +912 00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,070 everywhere. -917 +913 00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:46,820 In that yard, -918 +914 00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:50,790 when he said that a roar went up like no other. -919 +915 00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,580 This was this day, and I saw that -920 +916 00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:58,540 I really none of us were going to be observers, -921 +917 00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:03,300 we were going to be mediators , whether we wanted to be mediators or not, -922 +918 00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,010 whether we were called up to be mediators. -923 +919 00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:11,510 This prison uprising had to be mediated. -924 +920 00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:14,680 Otherwise it was going to end in disaster. -925 +921 00:58:16,270 --> 00:58:19,020 If you people do not understand. -926 +922 00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:22,150 If you people do not pick what? -927 +923 00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:25,900 If you people can not make the commitment -928 +924 00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,360 that we have made here. -929 +925 00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,740 We all did. -930 +926 00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,990 All right. -931 +927 00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,870 We'll take you all -932 +928 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,750 to stand with us. -933 +929 00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,170 Not necessarily. -934 +930 00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,210 I know you want to -935 +931 00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:48,090 hey, hey, before. -936 +932 00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:14,950 Things were growing on the outside, -937 +933 00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,370 don't take. -938 +934 00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:22,380 There were more journalists. -939 +935 00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,210 There were more police. -940 +936 00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:27,510 And it was just getting bigger -941 +937 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,260 and bigger and bigger. -942 +938 00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,350 People are coming night and day -943 +939 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680 vans with reporters and police -944 +940 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,310 and things are building up. -945 +941 00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:44,730 Among those keeping a vigil outside -946 +942 00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:48,530 the prison walls, the families of some of the 38 men held hostage. -947 +943 00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:51,700 I was just home watching the TV. -948 +944 00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:54,910 I just kept looking for my husband. -949 +945 00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,410 Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized in some way -950 +946 00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:02,170 because the inmates at that time had the power there, you know, -951 +947 01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:05,500 and if they didn't like somebody who who knew -952 +948 01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:08,920 what you were scared to death that, you know, -953 +949 01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,300 they'd just kill him or something and they didn't get their way. -954 +950 01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:16,810 Families of the 31 hostages wait for word -955 +951 01:00:16,810 --> 01:00:19,480 as part of the prison remains in control of the inmate. -956 +952 01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:27,860 They were upset. -957 +953 01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:29,940 They were angry and they were scared -958 +954 01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:35,030 standing out there while their loved ones are being held hostage -959 +955 01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:39,790 and they are waiting for any scrap of information -960 +956 01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:44,830 to hear something. -961 +957 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,250 And many of those families -962 +958 01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:50,970 stood vigil day and night out there. -963 +959 01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,340 A bunch of people crying, -964 +960 01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:57,220 the wives and brothers and fathers -965 +961 01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,430 freaking out to his panic. -966 +962 01:01:01,180 --> 01:01:04,850 People are afraid to talk in the parking lot because they thought -967 +963 01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:10,280 that any reporters or anybody, even they did it on the privacy -968 +964 01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:13,780 because they didn't want the relatives targeted, singled out -969 +965 01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:15,780 by the inmates. -970 +966 01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:28,290 I had sympathy for them. -971 +967 01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:32,800 They were elsewhere, you're going to get a job if you lived in that -972 +968 01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:36,430 area and you had no -973 +969 01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:41,180 training and no understanding -974 +970 01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:44,310 of what it was like to grow up in -975 +971 01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:48,270 a poor black urban area. -976 +972 01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,690 You used these were aliens. -977 +973 01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:56,070 These were people from a different world -978 +974 01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,410 and your family members. -979 +975 01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:04,410 Maybe you're going to get killed -980 +976 01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:06,330 because of them. -981 +977 01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:08,670 Sure, you were. -982 +978 01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:10,880 Infuriated. -983 +979 01:02:12,050 --> 01:02:13,590 All these dogs up there with -984 +980 01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:15,800 all those rifles are trying to kill us. -985 +981 01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,510 Well, we ain't gonna quit the inmates that we're giving microphones. -986 +982 01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:21,560 I'm on TV. -987 +983 01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,810 I mean, the very upsetting. -988 +984 01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:26,730 They should have resolved it right away. -989 +985 01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:28,730 It just went on too far. -990 +986 01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:31,440 We all just wanted it to end. -991 +987 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,320 What I what you hear over the radio -992 +988 01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:40,320 and the TV was and it's inspiring to me -993 +989 01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:43,870 because it seemed to me that what I was hearing. -994 +990 01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,540 I didn't think -995 +991 01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:50,670 they were doing the right thing. -996 +992 01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,840 It just seemed sort of limp to me -997 +993 01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:56,510 and it was frustrating. -998 +994 01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,180 You'd hear stuff from people. -999 +995 01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:03,140 That's where it got a little scary too, because you could see how the inmates -1000 +996 01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:07,310 were considered like less than human kind of like animals. -1001 +997 01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,900 There was people saying, You know, don't worry about your dad, -1002 +998 01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:14,020 you know, they'll get theirs type thing. -1003 +999 01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:16,990 And so that kind of made it even more scary. -1004 +1000 01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:20,700 You realize how emotionally charged the community is getting. -1005 +1001 01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:23,660 The tensions got worse and worse. Worse. -1006 +1002 01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:25,750 Emotions got worse and worse and worse. -1007 +1003 01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,710 Sadly, -1008 +1004 01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:42,180 I think that the hope was stronger than any doubt because after three days -1009 +1005 01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:45,390 Thursday, Friday and Saturday. -1010 +1006 01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,520 They had came in -1011 +1007 01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,980 we had like 30 demands and most of them what -1012 +1008 01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,940 possible, -1013 +1009 01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:56,530 and we will still be doing about it. -1014 +1010 01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,860 I've never seen anything like this. -1015 +1011 01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:02,160 The people in here are treated like dogs. -1016 +1012 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,240 Not only the Black Lives Matter, white. -1017 +1013 01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:06,740 And we're going to get what we planned. -1018 +1014 01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:08,790 Are we going to die? Try. -1019 +1015 01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:12,370 But we thought that whatever happened, -1020 +1016 01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:15,710 we may maybe really walk away with some improvement -1021 +1017 01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:17,170 in our lives. -1022 +1018 01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:21,760 Point was, is that whatever happened, -1023 +1019 01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:24,890 it just had to make a difference. -1024 +1020 01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:26,970 Change had to happen. -1025 +1021 01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:29,020 You had to embrace who. -1026 +1022 01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:34,690 There's a report -1027 +1023 01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:37,730 that prison officials have yielded to most of the demands -1028 +1024 01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:40,860 by the rebelling inmates of the Attica state prison in New York, -1029 +1025 01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:44,490 where more than 30 persons have been held hostage for three days. -1030 +1026 01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:48,490 As you know, during this ordeal. -1031 +1027 01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:51,000 I have personally met with inmates -1032 +1028 01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,830 on several occasions in areas under their control, -1033 +1029 01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:58,340 and they have demonstrated my commitment -1034 +1030 01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:00,760 to deal with the issues they have raised -1035 +1031 01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:04,050 by accepting 28 -1036 +1032 01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:06,930 of the three major inmate proposals. -1037 +1033 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,850 The second is like any time of what's going to happen now. -1038 +1034 01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,810 Well, we hope negotiations will -1039 +1035 01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:16,310 start this afternoon and continue until they reach a solution. -1040 +1036 01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:19,650 Huey Newton or Bobby Seale, are they coming? -1041 +1037 01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:20,190 They were asked. -1042 +1038 01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:23,150 Or we hope we understood that they were en route. -1043 +1039 01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:23,860 We had. -1044 +1040 01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,530 Kind of settled in on the demands -1045 +1041 01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,950 we had negotiated with Oswald -1046 +1042 01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:33,960 for his commitment to 28 of them. -1047 +1043 01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:39,880 The commissioner and the whole point of Bobby SEALs coming there would be for him -1048 +1044 01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,420 to bless and support and urge the inmates -1049 +1045 01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:45,130 to accept them. -1050 +1046 01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:50,600 Bobby -1051 +1047 01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,600 Seale was our hero because he was speaking out -1052 +1048 01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,810 about the brutality that was happening in the prison system. -1053 +1049 01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:59,730 He was doing what we were trying to leave. -1054 +1050 01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,980 He was a panther. -1055 +1051 01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:02,820 The second in command. -1056 +1052 01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,780 I really thought it would help us out of everything -1057 +1053 01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:08,240 we ever demand. -1058 +1054 01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:12,750 Bobby didn't stay long. -1059 +1055 01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:17,540 Bobby to stay long, came up to it and go shake table was made a little speech. -1060 +1056 01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:19,750 You walk around your. -1061 +1057 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,630 Well, we won't read about the jail. -1062 +1058 01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:26,050 A lot of times we're going back in time. -1063 +1059 01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:28,340 It was quite a letdown. -1064 +1060 01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:32,390 There is no remember me at all, about three minutes. -1065 +1061 01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:37,100 At that point, -1066 +1062 01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:40,440 everybody's just sitting around waiting for something to happen. -1067 +1063 01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:47,780 But then Billy Quinn died. -1068 +1064 01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,700 And that transformed everything -1069 +1065 01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:54,660 the state prison in Attica, New York, is at the crisis point. -1070 +1066 01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,710 The death of one of the guards as harden the position of prison officials -1071 +1067 01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,710 and there are you don't get amnesty for a murder. -1072 +1068 01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,460 I immediately knew. -1073 +1069 01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:08,840 That the -1074 +1070 01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:11,510 process of negotiations -1075 +1071 01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:13,970 just became far more difficult. -1076 +1072 01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:16,680 I knew that was. -1077 +1073 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,730 I was the worst possible thing that could happen. -1078 +1074 01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:23,440 How could they peacefully negotiate? -1079 +1075 01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,700 With inmates who they held responsible for the death -1080 +1076 01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:29,660 of a guard. -1081 +1077 01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,830 Prior to his passing on. -1082 +1078 01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,210 There was a hope and even an expectation -1083 +1079 01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:43,710 because people were listening. -1084 +1080 01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:46,420 People were coming to understand what we had been living through -1085 +1081 01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:50,340 and suffering as prisoners there. -1086 +1082 01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,350 We know that it was a new ball -1087 +1083 01:07:54,350 --> 01:07:57,430 game was depression. -1088 +1084 01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:58,810 And fear. -1089 +1085 01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:02,770 And, you know, anxiety and yeah, -1090 +1086 01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:05,940 everything you can imagine. -1091 +1087 01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,990 We had to drop a lot of issues -1092 +1088 01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:11,030 and focus on amnesty -1093 +1089 01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:13,740 as one as the main issue -1094 +1090 01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,910 because we want to be charged -1095 +1091 01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,250 with murder. -1096 +1092 01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:20,660 We said. -1097 +1093 01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,540 As a group. -1098 +1094 01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:26,000 That we was going -1099 +1095 01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,170 to stay in solidarity with anyone. -1100 +1096 01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:32,630 They could not give amnesty to everybody. -1101 +1097 01:08:32,970 --> 01:08:36,140 Then was not going to leave anyone in the clutch in -1102 +1098 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,980 to take a towing back on the bus or speak to take this. -1103 +1099 01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:45,190 We acted together that we understood that this was us, -1104 +1100 01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:48,780 that if we didn't stand together now, we never would. -1105 +1101 01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:49,820 And it would. -1106 +1102 01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:52,910 We would live like dogs for the rest of our lives. -1107 +1103 01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:57,580 We understood that. -1108 +1104 01:08:57,580 --> 01:09:02,460 Did I wish that we could somehow back away, but not without amnesty? -1109 +1105 01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:04,500 How do the inmates feel about the current situation? -1110 +1106 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,210 I will. -1111 +1107 01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:08,880 A group of us were in with the inmates. -1112 +1108 01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,670 We met with them. -1113 +1109 01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:13,220 We had two and a half hours. -1114 +1110 01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:14,590 Some of the people are here, -1115 +1111 01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:18,100 but we really have nothing to say about it, except they are firm in their demands. -1116 +1112 01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:19,680 And that's it. -1117 +1113 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,270 In other words, -1118 +1114 01:09:20,270 --> 01:09:23,390 they're not going to let the hostages go until they're granted total amnesty. -1119 +1115 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,650 That was their last position. -1120 +1116 01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:33,820 The flag at half staff for the injured guard who had died -1121 +1117 01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:35,910 the night before set the mood this morning, -1122 +1118 01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,910 it was clear that the troubles of this troubled prison had grown worse. -1123 +1119 01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:42,120 That Sunday, you had that fall that came over -1124 +1120 01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,750 and it was a certain chill in the air. -1125 +1121 01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:47,750 Something didn't feel right. -1126 +1122 01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:49,710 It didn't feel right. -1127 +1123 01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:52,550 There are strong indications tonight that police will be sent -1128 +1124 01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:56,140 into the cellblock in an attempt to rescue the rest of the hostages -1129 +1125 01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,260 by force. -1130 +1126 01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,480 Water was cut off. -1131 +1127 01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,810 Food was getting scarce. -1132 +1128 01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:09,060 Patients were getting shot and people were totally -1133 +1129 01:10:10,190 --> 01:10:12,280 wondering what is going to be the outcome -1134 +1130 01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:15,030 of the situation. -1135 +1131 01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:24,960 There was enormous pressure, and I witnessed -1136 +1132 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,710 that as I took a breather and went out to the public space -1137 +1133 01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,300 just outside the prison, where a lot of correction -1138 +1134 01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:37,720 officers, their families, troopers and other officials -1139 +1135 01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,640 were gathered together. -1140 +1136 01:10:40,930 --> 01:10:43,470 I mean, the news was completely about that. -1141 +1137 01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:46,640 You know that the state troopers and everybody were poised -1142 +1138 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,560 on the top looking and -1143 +1139 01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,480 it was all about these rumors -1144 +1140 01:10:52,650 --> 01:10:56,950 that the prisoners were castrating -1145 +1141 01:10:56,950 --> 01:11:01,450 the hostages, that they were torturing them. -1146 +1142 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,540 And it's going to end in bloodshed. -1147 +1143 01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:08,960 And that was the storyline that was terrifying, people. -1148 +1144 01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:11,170 Could you turn around this way to the camera? -1149 +1145 01:11:11,170 --> 01:11:13,710 I think I did a few interviews -1150 +1146 01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,170 and the people were -1151 +1147 01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:20,760 made it very clear that these are bad people in there and -1152 +1148 01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:23,430 they shouldn't be doing this. -1153 +1149 01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:25,600 You know, they should be taken care of. -1154 +1150 01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,850 You know what I mean? -1155 +1151 01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:28,770 And hang them and -1156 +1152 01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:29,940 crazy stuff. -1157 +1153 01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:32,310 I mean, they're just really crazy. -1158 +1154 01:11:32,690 --> 01:11:35,190 It was a very hostile environment. -1159 +1155 01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:36,400 And I just -1160 +1156 01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:39,110 don't I -1161 +1157 01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:42,990 don't think that Jaime, I'll stick up your hand. -1162 +1158 01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:47,080 I'm a father of eight children and my boy is the oldest, -1163 +1159 01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:50,580 and I wouldn't want to see any one of them die. -1164 +1160 01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:52,580 Whatever he is going to die, -1165 +1161 01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:55,840 I want that whole damn thing bound right to hell. OK. -1166 +1162 01:11:57,010 --> 01:12:00,510 And while we're talking went on, the state police -1167 +1163 01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:04,050 kept reinforcing at least 500 men in and out of the wall. -1168 +1164 01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:08,100 No indication that any of this force will be used at the police already. -1169 +1165 01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:09,940 Well, any -1170 +1166 01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:15,230 time you went in and out of the prison, there was an army -1171 +1167 01:12:15,690 --> 01:12:21,780 and they were armed with every conceivable type of weapon . -1172 +1168 01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:25,120 And it really looked like -1173 +1169 01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:28,370 they wanted to use those weapons. -1174 +1170 01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:31,540 You had the sense of their anger -1175 +1171 01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:33,580 and they've been held back and -1176 +1172 01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:39,090 they wanted to move. -1177 +1173 01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:42,760 They wanted to to to attack. -1178 +1174 01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,890 Yeah, they were very impatient, -1179 +1175 01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:51,440 very unhappy. -1180 +1176 01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:56,940 They were all thrown into a situation in which they are not prepared for -1181 +1177 01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:01,450 and about which they had basically an animosity. -1182 +1178 01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:06,160 And I wish to -1183 +1179 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,040 would any of the men that a lot us off the roof? -1184 +1180 01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:14,210 Adobe that group is out of here because if you get these shaky guy shooting off -1185 +1181 01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:18,340 or getting up, and all of a sudden somebody is going to get excited -1186 +1182 01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:21,720 and then we're all going to say now, this is not a joke. -1187 +1183 01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:23,130 This is not -1188 +1184 01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:26,760 some kind of a little tea party we've got here. -1189 +1185 01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,350 And I just hope that the commissioner -1190 +1186 01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:32,480 and the other people in the committee that they've gathered together -1191 +1187 01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:36,980 can come up with a solution -1192 +1188 01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:39,860 to solve these people's problems -1193 +1189 01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:40,820 and ours. -1194 +1190 01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:42,690 Thank you very much. -1195 +1191 01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:49,700 Late Sunday afternoon, -1196 +1192 01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:53,290 Commissioner Oswald and the officials were prepared -1197 +1193 01:13:53,620 --> 01:13:57,040 and intended to retaking. -1198 +1194 01:13:57,670 --> 01:14:00,340 But I pressed Israel to agree -1199 +1195 01:14:01,130 --> 01:14:03,590 to give them until 7:00 on Monday -1200 +1196 01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:05,970 morning, by Sunday morning, everything else had failed. -1201 +1197 01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:12,640 And so the the the final shot -1202 +1198 01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:15,850 was going to be to try to get the Roc-A-Fella. -1203 +1199 01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:21,230 And there was there was a committee of people put together to do that. -1204 +1200 01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:22,610 Good morning. -1205 +1201 01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,780 We wanted four friends of the governor -1206 +1202 01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:29,450 to call him and please as your friend. -1207 +1203 01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:33,950 Let me ask you to come to Attica, not to meet with the prisoners, -1208 +1204 01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:37,960 but to come and lay your hand on approving these measures, -1209 +1205 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,460 Sergeant Cunningham. -1210 +1206 01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:42,550 Now, would you give us a message -1211 +1207 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,130 for Governor Nelson Rockefeller? -1212 +1208 01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:47,590 I certainly would. -1213 +1209 01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:51,100 one of the recommendations is and he said, No, I'm dead. -1214 +1210 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,310 I and some of my fellow members of the Service Committee felt -1215 +1211 01:14:55,310 --> 01:15:00,440 very strongly that if Governor Rockefeller were to come to and identify -1216 +1212 01:15:00,650 --> 01:15:04,400 with finding a solution, it might have broken the logjam. -1217 +1213 01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:09,200 So I placed the call, the governor Rockefeller, somewhere around 3:00. -1218 +1214 01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:13,030 Governor, what about your personal feelings right now? -1219 +1215 01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:15,790 On one level, it was a Hail Mary. -1220 +1216 01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:18,790 On the other level it was more than a Hail Mary. -1221 +1217 01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:21,130 These were prominent people. -1222 +1218 01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:27,970 People that you would think Rockefeller respected -1223 +1219 01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:33,050 making a sincere pitch come up here, you don't have to go in. -1224 +1220 01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:37,270 You don't have to agree to anything your presence will have mean. -1225 +1221 01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:41,310 Maybe if he came, that would be an opening -1226 +1222 01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:45,030 that would have allowed us to negotiate. -1227 +1223 01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:45,690 Maybe. -1228 +1224 01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:47,900 Some other -1229 +1225 01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,410 negotiators could be brought in who would help the negotiation, -1230 +1226 01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:55,080 maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe. -1231 +1227 01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,960 But no known donor or man. -1232 +1228 01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,040 Death, death, death, death. -1233 +1229 01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:05,130 Prisoners had been demanding from the very beginning that I come into the yard, -1234 +1230 01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:09,090 and I frankly felt that the idea of governors -1235 +1231 01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:14,010 any time there was an uprising or any time there was a prisoner -1236 +1232 01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:18,640 taken on a prisoner, but a hostage taking being involved in the negotiation, -1237 +1233 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,140 the next thing would be, we don't want the governor, we want the president, -1238 +1234 01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:24,900 and we get to a situation with an impossible one for this country. -1239 +1235 01:16:24,980 --> 01:16:28,190 By the time they spoke to him, he had made up his mind. -1240 +1236 01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:31,990 He listened carefully, he listened politely. -1241 +1237 01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:35,120 But by then, he had made up his mind. -1242 +1238 01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,750 We didn't understand the background of us -1243 +1239 01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:44,960 having consulted on an ongoing basis during those days with the White House, -1244 +1240 01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:49,170 the administration in Washington encouraged Rockey -1245 +1241 01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:51,590 to take a strong hard line position, -1246 +1242 01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:54,550 which was unfortunate. -1247 +1243 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,220 It was all a part of President Nixon's law and order agenda. -1248 +1244 01:16:58,810 --> 01:17:01,480 They were putting the pressure yesterday on me all day -1249 +1245 01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,270 to go up there and it up because everything else had failed. -1250 +1246 01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:06,480 And did you go? -1251 +1247 01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,530 Of course not. Of course not. -1252 +1248 01:17:08,530 --> 01:17:09,480 But I had the time. -1253 +1249 01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,860 Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots. -1254 +1250 01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,950 Because he was on the phone. -1255 +1251 01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:19,290 With Richard Nixon. -1256 +1252 01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:24,290 Rockefeller wanted to be president. -1257 +1253 01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:26,130 But the word on him was that -1258 +1254 01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:28,300 he was too soft on crime. -1259 +1255 01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:31,420 Where was he recommending amnesty? -1260 +1256 01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:32,090 Oh, yes. -1261 +1257 01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:35,760 Oh God, I tell you, is -1262 +1258 01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,970 this was the great this is separated the sheep from the goats. -1263 +1259 01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:46,310 And if he wanted the support of Nixon and the Republican Party, then -1264 +1260 01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:49,820 he needs to go along. -1265 +1261 01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:52,440 And so he wouldn't come. -1266 +1262 01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:59,120 You know, not that Rockefeller -1267 +1263 01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,330 wasn't coming in. -1268 +1264 01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:05,080 It's like slamming the door on you. -1269 +1265 01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,790 You know, I slammed the door and we were locked in this room -1270 +1266 01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:10,800 and we didn't know what to do. -1271 +1267 01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,720 You were to a great degree, -1272 +1268 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,550 despondent that we had no solution to this. -1273 +1269 01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:20,310 We didn't know what to do. -1274 +1270 01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:23,640 Made one last chance to convince the inmates -1275 +1271 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,350 to surrender. -1276 +1272 01:18:30,610 --> 01:18:33,070 That last night, Cell Block D. -1277 +1273 01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,200 As we were trying to negotiate. -1278 +1274 01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:41,490 Demands that we thought. -1279 +1275 01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:44,200 But realistic. -1280 +1276 01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,960 Was. A come to Jesus moment. -1281 +1277 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,300 This is what you wanted the demands. -1282 +1278 01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,550 This is what we were able to achieve. -1283 +1279 01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:01,300 This is where we stand now. -1284 +1280 01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:06,390 I'm not going to mislead you. -1285 +1281 01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:08,600 And believe that you can get anything better. -1286 +1282 01:19:09,650 --> 01:19:11,560 I do not believe you can get -1287 +1283 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,150 anything better. -1288 +1284 01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:16,280 I think we have to make -1289 +1285 01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,820 a peaceful accommodation. -1290 +1286 01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:24,490 Ready to be shot down like dogs. -1291 +1287 01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:28,540 I said this is what we achieved. OK. -1292 +1288 01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:32,420 And turn around, look, -1293 +1289 01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:36,550 cellblock, then you see all those guns there, just waiting to kill us. -1294 +1290 01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:38,050 They want to kill us. -1295 +1291 01:19:38,050 --> 01:19:41,050 Do you understand that they want to show -1296 +1292 01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:44,010 that they have the power from the barrel of a gun? -1297 +1293 01:19:44,060 --> 01:19:45,520 That's what they want to do. -1298 +1294 01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,270 Oh God, I don't know what's happening to me. -1299 +1295 01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,310 We were warned by the observers -1300 +1296 01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:55,230 that if we didn't settle, even without the amnesty, -1301 +1297 01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:59,200 they were going to come in and it could get very bad. -1302 +1298 01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:05,660 And of course, we talked among ourselves, and we just couldn't -1303 +1299 01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:09,460 go without the amnesty because it would have been literally -1304 +1300 01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:11,670 sending all our leaders. -1305 +1301 01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:15,960 To the dogs to be -1306 +1302 01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,720 tortured, murdered. -1307 +1303 01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:21,930 Convicted of crimes and -1308 +1304 01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:23,970 who knows what else, we had observed -1309 +1305 01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:28,850 the organization and preparation of the troopers to enter. -1310 +1306 01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:31,850 Hundreds of them with their shotguns -1311 +1307 01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:35,610 just outside the immediate area of the yard. -1312 +1308 01:20:36,190 --> 01:20:40,820 We witness the stationing of sharpshooters on one of the ledges -1313 +1309 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,320 looking down into DAAD. -1314 +1310 01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,740 Fear overtook the observers committee. -1315 +1311 01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:54,170 It seemed like they felt something was going to happen. -1316 +1312 01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:56,340 They were more. -1317 +1313 01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,300 Hesitant to leave, they left with a solemn mood. -1318 +1314 01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:02,510 He left us with a solemn like. -1319 +1315 01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:07,600 But is this better, just take care. -1320 +1316 01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:12,480 I remember seeing them leave, and, -1321 +1317 01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:16,400 you know, it was a scary moment to see them leaving, -1322 +1318 01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:18,980 you know, knowing that there wasn't coming back. -1323 +1319 01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:23,400 I remember -1324 +1320 01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,910 Big Black saying, I want to thank you for what you guys tried to do. -1325 +1321 01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:30,790 We really appreciate it. So there was a lot of that. -1326 +1322 01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,290 When we went out of -1327 +1323 01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:36,670 that yard that night. -1328 +1324 01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:38,500 There were tears. -1329 +1325 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:40,420 Tears. -1330 +1326 01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:45,010 And I think all of us were hoping -1331 +1327 01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:47,140 that something happened at the last minute. -1332 +1328 01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:49,430 Stop it. -1333 +1329 01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,270 I felt complete failure, -1334 +1330 01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:57,650 a failure that I had let them down. -1335 +1331 01:21:59,730 --> 01:22:03,110 one of the most painful things. -1336 +1332 01:22:03,190 --> 01:22:06,160 As inmates begin to. -1337 +1333 01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,450 Hand me written notes, the telephone number. -1338 +1334 01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:14,080 Of their of their -1339 +1335 01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,540 next of kin. -1340 +1336 01:22:16,460 --> 01:22:18,790 In case they didn't make it OK. -1341 +1337 01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:21,090 They wanted me. -1342 +1338 01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:24,050 They they I mean, a couple of them looked me in the eye with tears -1343 +1339 01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:27,300 for the Jones, but I don't make it. -1344 +1340 01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:28,930 You're going to call right. -1345 +1341 01:22:28,930 --> 01:22:31,260 I said, You have my word. -1346 +1342 01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:34,350 I will call you -1347 +1343 01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:38,690 any way optimistic that this thing could be settled by tomorrow. -1348 +1344 01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:42,530 I think I'm much too tired to be either optimistic or pessimistic at this moment. -1349 +1345 01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:44,860 I'm kind of just freaked out. -1350 +1346 01:22:56,540 --> 01:22:58,290 Randall, I know -1351 +1347 01:22:58,370 --> 01:23:00,920 it didn't stop ran until about -1352 +1348 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960 six in the morning. -1353 +1349 01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,760 Cold Mountain, right? -1354 +1350 01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:12,390 And we were not prepared for those little hunches that we had the -1355 +1351 01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:15,600 that people had built a yard up -1356 +1352 01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,020 in every day, all alone started collapsing. -1357 +1353 01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,060 And you had to get on -1358 +1354 01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:25,820 solid ground concrete and huddled together -1359 +1355 01:23:26,110 --> 01:23:29,200 because everybody was shivering and everything else. -1360 +1356 01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,830 It was a miserable night, one of the miserable nights -1361 +1357 01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:35,040 I ever spent in my life. -1362 +1358 01:23:37,620 --> 01:23:40,920 I could feel the tension in the air, the tension was so strong -1363 +1359 01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:43,880 that I could just basically grab it and hold on to it -1364 +1360 01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:46,170 . Am I going to make it? -1365 +1361 01:23:46,170 --> 01:23:48,630 Am I going to to this? -1366 +1362 01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:53,760 And that tension was so strong I could touch it, I could cut improperly in my hand. -1367 +1363 01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:59,310 There was an air. -1368 +1364 01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:06,110 We've been out there for about four days. -1369 +1365 01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:08,610 Wake up that morning and it's -1370 +1366 01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:11,070 wet and dreary out there, -1371 +1367 01:24:11,070 --> 01:24:14,450 and you could always smell the fumes -1372 +1368 01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,200 of Guy's body in that trench that we dug in the yard. -1373 +1369 01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,250 You use the bathroom. -1374 +1370 01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:22,960 Right there in front of You Breathe initiative nowadays, -1375 +1371 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,960 so you want out. -1376 +1372 01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:30,260 What was really bad? -1377 +1373 01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,260 People's moods was that way, and -1378 +1374 01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:34,510 it was crowded. -1379 +1375 01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:37,020 It started to rain a little bit. -1380 +1376 01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:38,140 You know, it was dog. -1381 +1377 01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:40,850 The sky was dark gray. -1382 +1378 01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:44,650 We heard that -1383 +1379 01:24:44,650 --> 01:24:46,770 we would be part of a medical evacuation. -1384 +1380 01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:50,530 And early on Monday morning, -1385 +1381 01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:52,950 we loaded into trucks and headed for Attica prison. -1386 +1382 01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:58,450 In the three years that I was in the National Guard, -1387 +1383 01:24:58,450 --> 01:25:02,580 I had not seen any kind of action in which violence was involved. -1388 +1384 01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:05,500 But we had a sense of dread, -1389 +1385 01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:08,210 and we had a wish that we could kind of not go. -1390 +1386 01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:12,760 And there was the hope, even at the last minute, that -1391 +1387 01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:15,970 by some miracle, maybe -1392 +1388 01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:19,390 Rockefeller would intervene. -1393 +1389 01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,730 His refusal to come -1394 +1390 01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:25,860 here is a monstrosity, because what he is saying is kill these men. -1395 +1391 01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:27,940 I have no concern. -1396 +1392 01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:31,240 All I want to do is assault, law and order, -1397 +1393 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,990 and I think that's a rotten in exchange for life. -1398 +1394 01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:37,580 And we got to the prison -1399 +1395 01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:41,830 and saw the lines of state troopers and deputies -1400 +1396 01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:45,540 with their raincoats on and their weapons in hand. -1401 +1397 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:47,920 They looked exhausted. -1402 +1398 01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,300 They had been there, many of them for a couple of days at least, -1403 +1399 01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,260 and they really didn't look up to the task that was given to them. -1404 +1400 01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:05,350 He was coming in, you could tell. -1405 +1401 01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:08,270 You can see them starting to get more people I wasn't able to count on. -1406 +1402 01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:11,730 What I saw was. -1407 +1403 01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:18,870 We got another matches to put up on that table committee, there's -1408 +1404 01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:22,750 going to be rubber bullets and I say that's what that's -1409 +1405 01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:24,960 what the word was. -1410 +1406 01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:29,960 I thought they were going to be a real old fashioned game for you. -1411 +1407 01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,380 David, you want to call it, you know them versus us. -1412 +1408 01:26:32,630 --> 01:26:33,800 They've got the crowd. -1413 +1409 01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,680 We've got a few bats and stuff in here, so we're going to -1414 +1410 01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,640 best guy win. -1415 +1411 01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,350 We started making preparations -1416 +1412 01:26:44,350 --> 01:26:47,350 and putting Vaseline on every part of our body -1417 +1413 01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:50,570 that could be exposed to gas and get burnt and stuff like that -1418 +1414 01:26:51,730 --> 01:26:53,900 padding ourselves with clothes. -1419 +1415 01:26:57,820 --> 01:26:58,780 Somebody saying -1420 +1416 01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:01,410 if they come in here, then that's good because I know my sheik. -1421 +1417 01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,120 It became apparent to me -1422 +1418 01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,540 that the situation was seriously deteriorating -1423 +1419 01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:13,250 and that the inmates, many of whom are confined to this maximum -1424 +1420 01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:17,220 security facility under light and long sentences. -1425 +1421 01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:21,640 We're not going to participate in a reasonable negotiation. -1426 +1422 01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,770 Tensions within the walls -1427 +1423 01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:27,230 have steadily increased. -1428 +1424 01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:29,480 The action now underway -1429 +1425 01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:31,770 was initiated with extreme reluctance -1430 +1426 01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:36,240 only after all, attempts to achieve -1431 +1427 01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:40,820 a peaceful solution failed. -1432 +1428 01:27:40,990 --> 01:27:43,240 We were told that our mission was protection -1433 +1429 01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,120 for the medical battalion during the commander's briefing. -1434 +1430 01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:49,460 We were told that to our knowledge, -1435 +1431 01:27:50,170 --> 01:27:52,840 the inmates had no guns. -1436 +1432 01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,090 They had Spears. -1437 +1433 01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:56,340 They had some knives. -1438 +1434 01:27:56,340 --> 01:27:59,380 They had pipes that they were using as clubs. -1439 +1435 01:28:00,010 --> 01:28:02,390 But that was the extent of the threat. -1440 +1436 01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:05,390 So we knew that going in for, -1441 +1437 01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,930 you know, 5:00 a.m. -1442 +1438 01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:11,440 September 13, we're on the roof of a block -1443 +1439 01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,980 waiting for the assault to begin. -1444 +1440 01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,360 This is a team of 270 rifle shooters. -1445 +1441 01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:22,530 The center of our pictures, men distributing -1446 +1442 01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:24,830 baseball bats to the other prisoners. -1447 +1443 01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:28,250 We had no guns. We had no real weapons. -1448 +1444 01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:32,630 We had bullshit pieces of stick or a piece of iron -1449 +1445 01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,210 or shank that somebody made up on the sidewalk. -1450 +1446 01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:40,380 It was. It was pathetic. -1451 +1447 01:28:40,380 --> 01:28:45,100 Just four days, almost to the minute after the convict insurrection started, -1452 +1448 01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:49,060 state police reinforced by sheriff's deputies, National Guardsmen -1453 +1449 01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:54,610 and correctional officers moving in on the prison time is 150 5:00 p.m. -1454 +1450 01:28:54,610 --> 01:29:00,070 We're on the roof of C Block looking at a detail of 270 marksmen -1455 +1451 01:29:00,610 --> 01:29:03,860 with instructions to clear the catwalks upon command. -1456 +1452 01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:06,660 They took some of the -1457 +1453 01:29:06,660 --> 01:29:12,120 hostages on top of the catwalks, which is on top of the hallways, -1458 +1454 01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:17,670 and some of the inmates held knives to the to their neck as a result. -1459 +1455 01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,800 In an effort to try to stop the assault, -1460 +1456 01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,220 the hostages are armed with knives with their throats. -1461 +1457 01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,680 It was all just to show. -1462 +1458 01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,350 The try to get them to say, Oh, wait a minute, it's my cousin, my brother. -1463 +1459 01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:34,100 All he's got. -1464 +1460 01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:38,150 We were hopeful that if they saw this, they would back off -1465 +1461 01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,610 and try to renegotiate so they could protect their own people. -1466 +1462 01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:47,660 The notion of sending -1467 +1463 01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:49,990 in correctional officers -1468 +1464 01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:53,000 who didn't love the prisoners to begin with -1469 +1465 01:29:53,790 --> 01:29:58,420 and state police who were stressed out was a serious miscalculation, -1470 +1466 01:29:58,420 --> 01:30:02,210 somebody should have said, wait a second, wait a second, these people are on edge. -1471 +1467 01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,430 There is hostility -1472 +1468 01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:11,520 and it's going to get out of control. -1473 +1469 01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:15,480 We know that now, did we know that -1474 +1470 01:30:16,020 --> 01:30:17,940 in real time? -1475 +1471 01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:21,480 I guess not. -1476 +1472 01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:27,110 I seen this as a glorious fight. -1477 +1473 01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:30,660 They would come in with batons -1478 +1474 01:30:30,660 --> 01:30:35,580 and stuff like that, and we would be fighting the brave battle -1479 +1475 01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:39,090 with baseball bats and stuff like that, I. -1480 +1476 01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:52,010 I did. -1481 +1477 01:30:57,730 --> 01:31:00,440 I just never expected. -1482 +1478 01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:03,650 The the coverage through what actually happened, -1483 +1479 01:31:03,650 --> 01:31:04,990 I'm sorry. -1484 +1480 01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:23,840 Helicopter, two helicopters and a. -1485 +1481 01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,260 We're talking now going overhead -1486 +1482 01:31:30,260 --> 01:31:33,260 and over the wall into the prison. -1487 +1483 01:31:34,350 --> 01:31:37,350 It just disquieted, and Sky was getting dark, -1488 +1484 01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:40,100 and then we heard the helicopters does a dance. -1489 +1485 01:31:40,810 --> 01:31:43,230 This is fucking strange. -1490 +1486 01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,780 The helicopter comes up over the wall -1491 +1487 01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,820 and it's hovering over the yard. -1492 +1488 01:31:54,740 --> 01:31:56,120 I seen this. -1493 +1489 01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,960 I thought it was a monster. -1494 +1490 01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,290 It was a helicopter, a green helicopter. -1495 +1491 01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:02,000 It was flying low. -1496 +1492 01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,630 You see this. -1497 +1493 01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:12,760 It's like a sickly green gas with. -1498 +1494 01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:15,640 Sparkly stuff, minute coming down. -1499 +1495 01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:18,810 It tightens your chest. -1500 +1496 01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,440 Where you can hardly breathe. -1501 +1497 01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,650 That gas knocked me down. -1502 +1498 01:32:24,190 --> 01:32:26,730 Oh, what that was. -1503 +1499 01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:29,110 And they had me so weak I could not. -1504 +1500 01:32:29,860 --> 01:32:32,990 Your eyes are just all burning, -1505 +1501 01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:35,450 your nose is burning, your mouth is burning. -1506 +1502 01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:43,830 I mean, -1507 +1503 01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:45,420 we are. -1508 +1504 01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,220 And you got on the microphone, everybody in D-Block, yeah. -1509 +1505 01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:54,760 Put your hands in the air. -1510 +1506 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,390 And you are not behind. -1511 +1507 01:32:56,390 --> 01:33:01,020 Go to the nearest police officer and you will not be home. -1512 +1508 01:33:01,270 --> 01:33:04,440 You would not be home. We will not be. -1513 +1509 01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,690 You would not be here for that was. -1514 +1510 01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,160 Do just ended up -1515 +1511 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,500 doing this to get blown away. -1516 +1512 01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:24,210 They blew his head off and then. -1517 +1513 01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:28,170 Has all of a sudden there was all this popping all around us -1518 +1514 01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:31,130 and all these little pops -1519 +1515 01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:34,930 all around us were actually bullets. -1520 +1516 01:33:35,890 --> 01:33:40,560 Oh, and you could really see because the CO2 public first heard -1521 +1517 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,730 you blah, that you can hear the boom going by your ear. -1522 +1518 01:33:49,150 --> 01:33:52,320 The hostages can't be seen in any. -1523 +1519 01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:57,320 I'm trying to stay on the ground as long as possible, -1524 +1520 01:33:58,490 --> 01:34:00,660 just like they were shooting down the barrel -1525 +1521 01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:04,500 and they started shooting point blank range, blowing guys away . -1526 +1522 01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:08,090 I got shot in the arm up there right through the back macroeconomist on. -1527 +1523 01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,680 I I felt something. -1528 +1524 01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,310 Go to my head, it must go, and it was burning, -1529 +1525 01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:22,770 no was shot. -1530 +1526 01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:26,190 I felt something hit my arm -1531 +1527 01:34:26,190 --> 01:34:28,810 and we're all numb and realized needed. -1532 +1528 01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:31,940 I got shot in the arm about two inches from my heart -1533 +1529 01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:36,360 and also a one to a football helmet on Spanish food. -1534 +1530 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,700 Now the guard is up on the catwalk. -1535 +1531 01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:44,120 He jumps out with a hammer and throws it up and it hits the catwalk. -1536 +1532 01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:49,040 And you can hear the sound clip and all of them turn looked at him, -1537 +1533 01:34:49,130 --> 01:34:53,590 and all of them turn their guns on a brutal dashboard body. -1538 +1534 01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,260 I'm assuming that you guys got anywhere -1539 +1535 01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:59,180 from 20 to 50 shots because his body was doing like that. -1540 +1536 01:34:59,180 --> 01:35:00,640 I'd never seen no shit like that. -1541 +1537 01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,640 Not as a nasty shoot in the street. -1542 +1538 01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:03,560 I'd never seen them. I did. -1543 +1539 01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,020 I mean. -1544 +1540 01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:12,940 This was a holiday for the. -1545 +1541 01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:16,070 We got no guns to shoot back. -1546 +1542 01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:16,650 You know what? -1547 +1543 01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:21,030 It is a shoe store man and it's a shoe, but that's just a holiday -1548 +1544 01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:24,040 slow motion and all it was -1549 +1545 01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,620 that was save money. -1550 +1546 01:35:27,620 --> 01:35:30,170 That's what they will follow to each other. -1551 +1547 01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:32,130 I was scared. -1552 +1548 01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:35,760 I've done bad things, but I never did this bad. -1553 +1549 01:35:36,170 --> 01:35:37,260 As no. -1554 +1550 01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,640 These guys are real fucking cold blooded -1555 +1551 01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,260 killers and shit. -1556 +1552 01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:47,480 Until that moment came, -1557 +1553 01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,110 what is killing really started, and I realize that -1558 +1554 01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:55,610 you're not that fucking bad guy, no more, man, there's more power with his words -1559 +1555 01:35:55,610 --> 01:35:58,780 new, every bullet that missed by me, -1560 +1556 01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:01,160 if he could move. -1561 +1557 01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:05,410 Close to me, I winced, -1562 +1558 01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:09,160 then all of a sudden, it just stopped. -1563 +1559 01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:25,430 There are -1564 +1560 01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:28,680 people throwing off their smoke gear. -1565 +1561 01:36:29,230 --> 01:36:31,440 They ran out screaming niggers, niggers, niggers -1566 +1562 01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,400 and two of them pointed their guns at me. -1567 +1563 01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:38,190 Negative niggers. -1568 +1564 01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:40,280 And I said, Don't shoot, don't shoot. -1569 +1565 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,320 Don't shoot. -1570 +1566 01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,200 Well, I'm coughing with all the gas. -1571 +1567 01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,790 I've been gassed. -1572 +1568 01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:48,750 It's an awful thing. -1573 +1569 01:36:48,750 --> 01:36:50,540 William Kunstler -1574 +1570 01:36:51,540 --> 01:36:54,380 has said that people are dying in there. -1575 +1571 01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,550 And I agree with that. -1576 +1572 01:36:59,050 --> 01:37:03,390 But that people are dying and then a shooting went on forever -1577 +1573 01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:07,220 and then it was like the shooting subsided -1578 +1574 01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,890 and then I heard some. -1579 +1575 01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:15,400 After the shooting subsided, I heard some single shot -1580 +1576 01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:18,650 bang and bang. -1581 +1577 01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:30,040 After they took over the prison, -1582 +1578 01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,660 all those books that had been speaking to the cameras -1583 +1579 01:37:34,170 --> 01:37:37,170 were all targeted and tortured. -1584 +1580 01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,840 So yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted. -1585 +1581 01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:45,050 Andy Barclay. -1586 +1582 01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,220 They were calling his name. -1587 +1583 01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:50,600 Going to that, Bob, looking for him -1588 +1584 01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:54,100 and threatening him with what they were going to do to him. -1589 +1585 01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,320 When they when they found him and they found him, -1590 +1586 01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:00,860 he was yelling. -1591 +1587 01:38:01,530 --> 01:38:03,990 No, no, but it's too fucking late. -1592 +1588 01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:07,070 They had him do acting, actually dragging him towards a -1593 +1589 01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:10,370 block far yard over there. -1594 +1590 01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:13,080 He's Holland new agreement and the acuity. -1595 +1591 01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:27,590 You can see because the gas is so thick, -1596 +1592 01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:31,220 but all of a sudden a puff of wind comes -1597 +1593 01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,390 and disperses the gas. -1598 +1594 01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:37,560 And then I could see. -1599 +1595 01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,650 And what I saw was fright. -1600 +1596 01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:44,150 Hundreds of bodies just laying there. -1601 +1597 01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:47,950 Some were moaning, some wasn't moving. -1602 +1598 01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,740 Blood was everywhere. -1603 +1599 01:38:55,710 --> 01:39:00,040 We were given stretchers and told to go into the prison. -1604 +1600 01:39:01,170 --> 01:39:03,260 It was really an unthinkable scene. -1605 +1601 01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:06,130 It was dead and wounded and simply -1606 +1602 01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:08,890 starting to carry them out. -1607 +1603 01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:12,140 It was far beyond anything -1608 +1604 01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:15,310 I had imagined when they said we would be doing medical evacuation. -1609 +1605 01:39:16,230 --> 01:39:18,980 We were basically civilians -1610 +1606 01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:22,110 put into a situation where state troopers -1611 +1607 01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:24,530 and correctional officers had created a war zone. -1612 +1608 01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:31,120 There was a pile of bodies, maybe eight or ten people, -1613 +1609 01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,160 and the man on top, it had his eyes shot out. -1614 +1610 01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:57,600 Right below us, -1615 +1611 01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,230 there was a huge pool of rainwater -1616 +1612 01:40:01,060 --> 01:40:03,400 and it was blood red. -1617 +1613 01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:07,070 And I looked down on down at it -1618 +1614 01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,070 and they said, Those are false teeth down there, aren't they? -1619 +1615 01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:13,910 And somebody said, Yeah. -1620 +1616 01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:18,710 The attitude of the people -1621 +1617 01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:20,830 who should have been concerned -1622 +1618 01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:24,420 about what had happened was simply that they were -1623 +1619 01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:28,010 pleased with what had happened -1624 +1620 01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:31,220 and had no qualms or second thoughts -1625 +1621 01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,470 or anything but satisfaction -1626 +1622 01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:37,640 with Walker wants to go back to. -1627 +1623 01:40:42,810 --> 01:40:45,230 Why white power weight, -1628 +1624 01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,400 right, right? -1629 +1625 01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:56,120 They had control. -1630 +1626 01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:58,410 And once they had control, you would think -1631 +1627 01:40:58,410 --> 01:41:00,830 that things would have stopped. -1632 +1628 01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,250 They didn't. -1633 +1629 01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:09,590 It was clear that at that point it was all about revenge. -1634 +1630 01:41:10,130 --> 01:41:12,930 It was all about reestablishing who was in charge. -1635 +1631 01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:16,680 And the most violent ways possible. -1636 +1632 01:41:24,270 --> 01:41:26,940 Everybody had to crawl through shit, -1637 +1633 01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:29,230 human waste. -1638 +1634 01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:33,660 But what do you do? -1639 +1635 01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:37,120 Do you live to tell your story -1640 +1636 01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,450 like I'm doing today or do you fucking die? -1641 +1637 01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:41,200 I made a choice. -1642 +1638 01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,540 I want to live. -1643 +1639 01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,460 Chrome nickel chrome -1644 +1640 01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:50,550 for like a dog. -1645 +1641 01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:58,720 If you look up, nigga, I'll blow your motherfucking brains out. -1646 +1642 01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,270 What the fuck they care about calling you a nigger? -1647 +1643 01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:06,310 That was your name. -1648 +1644 01:42:07,150 --> 01:42:08,440 They had us marching -1649 +1645 01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:10,820 around the yard with our with our hands -1650 +1646 01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:13,900 interlocked like this on top of our heads, -1651 +1647 01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,110 abject surrender. -1652 +1648 01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:30,420 When I saw these naked bodies -1653 +1649 01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:35,300 lined up, snaked around the area, it reminded me -1654 +1650 01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:40,970 of portrayals of of African-Americans being heard it on the slave ships. -1655 +1651 01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,390 That was just horrendous, just horrible, -1656 +1652 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,520 horrible. -1657 +1653 01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:58,280 We're next in the middle of fucking yard. -1658 +1654 01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,160 God's going around with like baby bats. -1659 +1655 01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:06,120 It was seven remote guys as I'm laying here and I'm hoping -1660 +1656 01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,420 they don't come my way. -1661 +1657 01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:24,020 Frank Schmidt, Big Black, was put on a table -1662 +1658 01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:27,690 with the football under his throat. -1663 +1659 01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,190 People stood up above him on the catwalk, -1664 +1660 01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:37,450 aiming their guns down at him, throwing cigars and cigaret butts on him -1665 +1661 01:43:39,070 --> 01:43:39,740 . And -1666 +1662 01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:43,080 it said, Do said football falls, nigger, we're going to shoot you. -1667 +1663 01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:49,170 He was told to get to his feet. -1668 +1664 01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:52,130 He tried, he stumbled, he fell. -1669 +1665 01:43:52,130 --> 01:43:54,170 He was hit with clubs -1670 +1666 01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:56,670 on his back between his legs. -1671 +1667 01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,260 And he was crying out. -1672 +1668 01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:03,050 You know, don't do this. Don't do this. -1673 +1669 01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,600 And then you could hear him screaming as -1674 +1670 01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,600 he went up to the prison. -1675 +1671 01:44:14,110 --> 01:44:16,570 It felt good that I had survived this shit. -1676 +1672 01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:19,990 And now I got a look out -1677 +1673 01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:24,200 because some motion is coming. -1678 +1674 01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:30,170 The inmates were entering -1679 +1675 01:44:30,170 --> 01:44:32,710 these corridors off of the yard -1680 +1676 01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:36,380 and the guards were like -1681 +1677 01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:38,840 five or six feet apart with their clubs -1682 +1678 01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:43,640 and they would hit them against the wall and there was just this -1683 +1679 01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,770 dull drum like sound. -1684 +1680 01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:50,310 And then they were hitting the inmates as they ran a gantlet. -1685 +1681 01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:57,400 We could hear the screams coming out -1686 +1682 01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,990 so that we knew they were being tortured -1687 +1683 01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:05,330 and that we were somehow part of this unthinkable scene -1688 +1684 01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:09,080 that there was no escaping from but was completely wrong. -1689 +1685 01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,090 They had guards on both sides, and they would be hitting you -1690 +1686 01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:17,840 as you were running through beating you -1691 +1687 01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,800 with hoses and batons and whatever they had in their hands. -1692 +1688 01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:24,140 I'm ducking, trying to get through, -1693 +1689 01:45:24,140 --> 01:45:27,760 protecting my head, so I hit all of my all the elbows. -1694 +1690 01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,140 My knees still hurt, beating you and they're making you run -1695 +1691 01:45:32,140 --> 01:45:33,230 through the gantlet with it, -1696 +1692 01:45:33,230 --> 01:45:36,190 took all the glass out the fucking windows and put it in the middle of the floor. -1697 +1693 01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,480 So you had to run through grass with bare feet. -1698 +1694 01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,940 Nobody came out of that yard. -1699 +1695 01:45:40,940 --> 01:45:46,030 What with picking without having to pick a shot of your feet for four weeks? -1700 +1696 01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:51,370 Couldn't walk, nobody could walk anymore. -1701 +1697 01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:53,460 But we had to run because if you didn't run, -1702 +1698 01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,500 they just kept beating you with these clubs. -1703 +1699 01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:08,810 The families of the hostages, a lot of them waited -1704 +1700 01:46:08,810 --> 01:46:12,560 just outside the prison wall. -1705 +1701 01:46:14,980 --> 01:46:17,360 Then news began to filter out of Attica. -1706 +1702 01:46:17,690 --> 01:46:20,900 Names of freed hostages were called out to the loved one -1707 +1703 01:46:21,070 --> 01:46:23,990 by Curtis Lieutenant Colonel -1708 +1704 01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:25,160 Robert -1709 +1705 01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:26,740 Elder. -1710 +1706 01:46:29,950 --> 01:46:31,750 Some didn't see their men come out. -1711 +1707 01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:33,580 All they learned was the name of the hospital -1712 +1708 01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:35,370 where the survivors were being treated. -1713 +1709 01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:36,790 There were no time to wait. -1714 +1710 01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:40,210 They ran off to see their man. -1715 +1711 01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:44,670 People couldn't seem to run fast enough. -1716 +1712 01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:51,510 My mom came home and she was with her sister, -1717 +1713 01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:53,730 and my mom was crying, obviously upset. -1718 +1714 01:46:57,150 --> 01:46:59,110 I was outside sitting on the front porch, -1719 +1715 01:46:59,110 --> 01:47:02,230 you know, praying and worrying, and where's dad? -1720 +1716 01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,070 I respect him to show up, you know, and. -1721 +1717 01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:09,070 I again, my mom was dead. -1722 +1718 01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:11,870 What's what's why are you crying, what's going on? -1723 +1719 01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:15,830 Well, my mother came back in the house and, you know, he -1724 +1720 01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:19,210 she said, nobody to play with me now, are you? -1725 +1721 01:47:19,210 --> 01:47:22,500 I mean, you know, because I didn't want to believe it. -1726 +1722 01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:26,630 And she finally said, I saw him. -1727 +1723 01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:29,090 I saw him. -1728 +1724 01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:33,520 Finally, -1729 +1725 01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,480 she blurted out, Your father's dead. -1730 +1726 01:47:37,810 --> 01:47:39,270 So it ran. -1731 +1727 01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,610 We're in for a while, and I came back -1732 +1728 01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:49,910 and I was sitting on the front porch trying to be strong and not cry. -1733 +1729 01:47:49,950 --> 01:47:53,030 And I could hear everybody in the house crying -1734 +1730 01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:55,620 and I was trying to be so tough and. -1735 +1731 01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:04,880 All right. -1736 +1732 01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:06,630 Yeah, right. -1737 +1733 01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:24,690 The National Guardsmen were told to get back in their trucks, -1738 +1734 01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:28,110 and we did that and were taken out to the parking area. -1739 +1735 01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,660 And the colonel then addressed the battalion, maybe several hundred men, -1740 +1736 01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,370 and he said, essentially you saw things -1741 +1737 01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:40,080 that were excessive and wrong today. -1742 +1738 01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,250 And I have to ask you not to speak of this to anyone -1743 +1739 01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:48,630 because the world will not understand what happened here today. -1744 +1740 01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:54,550 The most violent rebellion in modern American penal history -1745 +1741 01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:58,020 came to an end today at the maximum security prison in New York. -1746 +1742 01:48:58,310 --> 01:49:01,310 In the final hours of the revolt, led primarily by blacks, -1747 +1743 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,110 the inmates murdered nine of their white hostages. -1748 +1744 01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:05,860 28 convicts were killed -1749 +1745 01:49:05,860 --> 01:49:09,150 by state troopers, and sheriff's deputies will regain control of the prison. -1750 +1746 01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:12,820 The storming of the prison had the full approval of New York's governor, -1751 +1747 01:49:12,820 --> 01:49:17,370 Rockefeller, who earlier had rejected a prisoner demand for complete clemency. -1752 +1748 01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:22,080 The White House said that after the prison was retaken, President Nixon telephoned -1753 +1749 01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,340 the governor to express his approval of Rockefeller's action. -1754 +1750 01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,920 We went in we couldn't tell whether all 39 -1755 +1751 01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,090 hostages would be killed and maybe two or 300 prisoners. -1756 +1752 01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:35,970 So we were able to pick off -1757 +1753 01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,640 either from the wall or as our men went in. -1758 +1754 01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:41,940 The man who had the -1759 +1755 01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:44,400 knives at the throat of the hostages -1760 +1756 01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:48,320 and they did a fabulous job. -1761 +1757 01:49:48,610 --> 01:49:50,740 I mean, this is this -1762 +1758 01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:53,950 are these primarily blacks? -1763 +1759 01:49:53,950 --> 01:49:56,820 Know, and the whole thing was led by the black cabinet, -1764 +1760 01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:59,080 are all the All Blacks? -1765 +1761 01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:04,870 I haven't got that report, but I have to admit I just out. -1766 +1762 01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,290 Yeah, yeah, we've got to have any. -1767 +1763 01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:10,420 We just not tolerate this kind of -1768 +1764 01:50:11,630 --> 01:50:12,590 anarchy. -1769 +1765 01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:20,640 Yesterday, officials at the prison said -1770 +1766 01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,560 eight of the hostages had had their throats cut. -1771 +1767 01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:26,730 But today, the Monroe County medical examiner, -1772 +1768 01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:30,280 having looked at the bodies, said no throats were cut at all. -1773 +1769 01:50:30,860 --> 01:50:35,530 The medical examiner says the hostages were apparently killed by a large caliber -1774 +1770 01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:38,620 ammunition and shotgun blasts from a distance, -1775 +1771 01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:42,660 which immediately raised the possibility that some of the hostages may -1776 +1772 01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:46,540 in fact have been shot down by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them. -1777 +1773 01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:50,590 Some of the hostages were actually shot -1778 +1774 01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:53,920 running towards the state troopers thinking, -1779 +1775 01:50:54,130 --> 01:50:57,140 I'm saved, I'm saved. -1780 +1776 01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:59,220 And the hostages were dressed -1781 +1777 01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,970 the same way the inmates were. -1782 +1778 01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:05,140 Anything that inmate garb on it. -1783 +1779 01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:07,980 They just started shooting at. -1784 +1780 01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:14,110 What Rockefeller had done was treat. -1785 +1781 01:51:15,190 --> 01:51:17,360 The hostages -1786 +1782 01:51:17,950 --> 01:51:21,370 as no more real live -1787 +1783 01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:26,290 human beings who deserve to be respected than the prisoners. -1788 +1784 01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:30,540 And so you kill them all and you restore order -1789 +1785 01:51:31,090 --> 01:51:35,170 and you make me into a major -1790 +1786 01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:38,510 figure who believes in law and order -1791 +1787 01:51:39,010 --> 01:51:43,260 at a time when that concept is beginning -1792 +1788 01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:46,890 to really take hold. -1793 +1789 01:52:08,670 --> 01:52:09,370 We should have entered -1794 +1790 01:52:09,370 --> 01:52:11,960 in a negotiated settlement. -1795 +1791 01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:14,880 No, they were they were interested in that, they were interested in showing. -1796 +1792 01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:19,380 The naked fist of power law and order. -1797 +1793 01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:24,140 The national mindset of the nation was law and order. -1798 +1794 01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:27,640 And law and order does not permit. -1799 +1795 01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:32,190 Any challenge? -1800 +1796 01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:35,150 To his authority whatsoever. -1801 +1797 01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:38,070 God willing, a few more months in January will be 90 years old. -1802 +1798 01:52:39,490 --> 01:52:42,200 I will never, ever, ever, ever, -1803 +1799 01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:44,830 ever, ever, ever. -1804 +1800 01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:47,330 We get Atika. -1805 +1801 01:52:47,620 --> 01:52:48,290 Ever. -1806 +1802 01:52:51,370 --> 01:52:54,710 It didn't have to be that way. -1807 +1803 01:53:38,630 --> 01:53:41,130 All eight cases. -1808 +1804 01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:45,140 Died of gunshot wounds. -1809 +1805 01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:48,180 There was no evidence of slash throats. -1810 +1806 01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:53,140 We're sure -1811 +1807 01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:58,900 your. The. -1812 +1808 01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:11,910 I have never received an apology. -1813 +1809 01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:15,670 I've never received an apology, and for me, -1814 +1810 01:54:15,670 --> 01:54:17,670 that's a pretty big deal. -1815 +1811 01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:26,140 What is money -1816 +1812 01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:29,140 do when you don't have your dad -1817 +1813 01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:31,970 or your brother or your uncle who? -1818 +1814 01:54:34,690 --> 01:54:37,310 How does that replace anything? -1819 +1815 01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:40,440 And I think it was the state's way of saying, -1820 +1816 01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:45,820 we're going to give you this money and we want you to go away and. -1821 +1817 01:54:49,580 --> 01:54:52,910 This is my. -1822 +1818 01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:55,710 True. -1823 +1819 01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:58,540 Well, she. -1824 +1820 01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,880 He threw -1825 +1821 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,930 for nearly 30 years, former Attica inmates have waited for justice. -1826 +1822 01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,350 Today, it finally came in the form of a 12 -1827 +1823 01:55:10,350 --> 01:55:12,970 million dollar settlement. -1828 +1824 01:55:14,350 --> 01:55:18,940 Be. There's no justice. -1829 +1825 01:55:20,860 --> 01:55:22,900 All we got was money -1830 +1826 01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:25,360 and money wasn't enough. -1831 +1827 01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,070 Then you can't justify all the killings that happened in Attica. -1832 +1828 01:55:28,700 --> 01:55:30,410 You can't justify that. -1833 +1829 01:55:30,410 --> 01:55:31,450 So there's no justice. -1834 +1830 01:55:31,450 --> 01:55:34,000 There is no justice. -1835 +1831 01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,040 We shall. -1836 +1832 01:55:40,130 --> 01:55:43,630 Be. And. -1837 +1833 01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,300 They might. -1838 +1834 01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:53,430 True. -1839 +1835 01:55:55,060 --> 01:55:57,640 Well, I'm sure. -1840 +1836 01:55:58,770 --> 01:56:01,980 Me, too, -1841 +1837 01:56:01,980 --> 01:56:04,530 do so. -1842 +1838 01:56:10,740 --> 01:56:12,910 And. Be. -1843 +1839 01:56:21,210 --> 01:56:27,090 You. Some -1844 +1840 01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:45,860 foolish. Oh.