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+Traduzione e sottotitoli a cura di Calusca/COX18
+
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+00:00:08,030 --> 00:00:13,000
+Questo documentario contiene materiale duro da vedere.
+
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+00:00:34,430 --> 00:00:44,540
+Il 9 settembre 1971 i detenuti di Attica, a 400km da New York
+presero il controllo della prigione.
+
+4
+00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:51,200
+Fu la più grande ribellione nelle carceri
+della storia degli Stati Uniti.
+
+5
+00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:59,000
+Giovedi
+Il primo giorno.
+
+6
+00:01:02,032 --> 00:01:07,190
+Qualcosa stava per accadere ad Attica.
+
+7
+00:01:08,170 --> 00:01:12,128
+La popolazione era stanca.
+
+8
+00:01:15,700 --> 00:01:20,224
+Stanca delle bugie, delle promesse.
+
+9
+00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,648
+Eravamo stanchi.
+
+10
+00:01:25,710 --> 00:01:28,338
+Qualcuno ha colpito una guardia.
+
+11
+00:01:28,379 --> 00:01:30,632
+E la cosa poteva finire lì.
+
+12
+00:01:30,673 --> 00:01:33,200
+Ma poi si è scatenato l’inferno.
+
+13
+00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:41,810
+Sono all'infermeria,
+
+14
+00:01:41,851 --> 00:01:43,686
+e cominciano a suonare le sirene.
+
+15
+00:01:43,728 --> 00:01:45,146
+“Che diavolo sta succedendo?”
+
+16
+00:01:45,188 --> 00:01:46,410
+Ero sotto la doccia.
+
+17
+00:01:46,439 --> 00:01:49,275
+Sono uscito, fradicio,
+
+18
+00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:51,150
+e il posto stava impazzendo.
+
+19
+00:01:51,361 --> 00:01:53,738
+All’improvviso,
+
+20
+00:01:53,738 --> 00:01:56,282
+ho visto aprirsi la porta dell'infermeria aprirsi
+
+21
+00:01:56,282 --> 00:01:58,618
+e ho visto gente correre ovunque
+
+22
+00:01:58,660 --> 00:02:01,000
+con grossi tubi e coltelli
+
+23
+00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,570
+E di colpo tutti stavano correndo
+
+24
+00:02:04,620 --> 00:02:06,464
+E poi si cominciarono a vedere
+
+25
+00:02:06,784 --> 00:02:09,344
+gente che schiacciava la faccia
+
+26
+00:02:09,380 --> 00:02:11,420
+attraverso le finestre rotte
+
+27
+00:02:11,420 --> 00:02:15,120
+gridando: "Prendi le guardie! Prendi le chiavi!"
+
+28
+00:02:15,250 --> 00:02:17,648
+c'erano guardie che venivano picchiate.
+
+29
+00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:23,632
+Chiunque del personale ti fosse caduto fra le mani
+l’avresti picchiato.
+
+30
+00:02:23,810 --> 00:02:26,864
+Ecco la mia occasione per
+combattere chi mi ha picchiato,
+
+31
+00:02:27,168 --> 00:02:29,720
+perché ora sto insieme
+a un sacco di assassini.
+
+32
+00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:31,536
+Noi contro di loro.
+
+33
+00:02:31,660 --> 00:02:34,290
+Mi ci son buttato subito
+senza pianificare niente.
+
+34
+00:02:34,352 --> 00:02:35,952
+Non ero il tipo da pensare.
+
+35
+00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:38,736
+Stavo prendendo a calci la polizia.
+Mi son sentito bene.
+
+36
+00:02:38,740 --> 00:02:40,096
+Sarebbe finita lì,
+
+37
+00:02:40,170 --> 00:02:43,270
+perché erano in un’area confinata, i blocchi lucchettati
+
+38
+00:02:44,170 --> 00:02:48,208
+la piazzetta (Times Square) era chiusa
+ma i prigionieri sono tornati indietro
+
+39
+00:02:48,410 --> 00:02:50,528
+e cominciano a strattonare il cancello
+
+40
+00:02:51,024 --> 00:02:54,416
+I quattro blocchi si incontrano a Times Square
+
+41
+00:02:54,510 --> 00:03:03,344
+è il punto d'incontro, per come è fatta la prigione,
+Times Square è il centro, della prigione
+
+42
+00:03:06,288 --> 00:03:07,680
+La mattina della rivolta,
+
+43
+00:03:07,824 --> 00:03:10,220
+mio padre era a Times Square.
+
+44
+00:03:10,288 --> 00:03:13,424
+Aveva le chiavi di tutte le porte
+
+45
+00:03:13,648 --> 00:03:16,336
+e sfortunatamente,
+
+46
+00:03:16,510 --> 00:03:20,512
+i detenuti nel tunnel continuavano a spingere
+
+47
+00:03:22,256 --> 00:03:27,024
+quella porta, e gridavano
+
+48
+00:03:27,088 --> 00:03:29,984
+a mio padre: Apri la porta!
+
+49
+00:03:30,048 --> 00:03:34,896
+E Quinn è saltato su tipo: "oh ma questa è.."
+e ha azionato l'allarme
+
+50
+00:03:35,344 --> 00:03:38,464
+il corno che fa così: aahhoo
+
+51
+00:03:39,264 --> 00:03:43,712
+E hanno cominciato a battere e battere sul cancello.
+
+52
+00:03:44,016 --> 00:03:45,328
+All’insaputa di tutti
+
+53
+00:03:45,460 --> 00:03:49,340
+uno dei cardini era stato
+saldato provvisoriamente
+
+54
+00:03:49,456 --> 00:03:53,430
+durante le ristrutturazioni degli anni '30
+
+55
+00:03:53,430 --> 00:03:55,520
+e si è rotto.
+
+56
+00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,300
+Il lucchetto è saltato,
+
+57
+00:03:57,300 --> 00:03:59,220
+e tutti si son precipitati fuori. Boom.
+
+58
+00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,592
+Quando la porta è caduta, hanno attaccato mio padre
+e gli han preso le chiavi
+
+59
+00:04:04,690 --> 00:04:08,976
+e hanno avuto così accesso a tutte le porte
+di Times square
+
+60
+00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:12,400
+È stato picchiato molto duramente.
+
+61
+00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:17,904
+Torno indietro e metto due dita sul collo di Quinn.
+
+62
+00:04:18,060 --> 00:04:20,976
+Sentivo il battito, ma era molto debole.
+
+63
+00:04:20,990 --> 00:04:22,576
+Tipo una pulsazione,
+
+64
+00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,944
+e dopo un minuto o due,
+un'altra pulsazione
+
+65
+00:04:27,008 --> 00:04:30,080
+Alcuni detenuti conoscevano mio padre,
+
+66
+00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,576
+quattro musulmani han portato
+un materasso dal blocco A
+
+67
+00:04:34,704 --> 00:04:41,136
+l'hanno messo sul materasso
+e l’hanno portato via da Times Square
+
+68
+00:04:41,296 --> 00:04:43,968
+dicendo di avere una guardia
+
+69
+00:04:44,060 --> 00:04:48,112
+gravemente ferita
+e bisognosa di soccorso medico.
+
+70
+00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:52,592
+A un certo punto è arrivata un’ambulanza.
+
+71
+00:04:53,168 --> 00:04:54,960
+Nel frattempo, mia madre
+
+72
+00:04:55,210 --> 00:04:58,112
+era stata informata del ferimento di mio padre.
+
+73
+00:05:00,256 --> 00:05:02,064
+Presero le chiavi a Quinn,
+
+74
+00:05:02,176 --> 00:05:06,048
+e hanno aperto tutti e quattro i lati
+e han detto: “C’abbiamo il manico”.
+
+75
+00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,736
+“C’abbiamo il manico!”
+
+76
+00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,584
+Abbiamo preso ogni blocco del complesso.
+
+77
+00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:18,544
+L’abbiamo preso,
+
+78
+00:05:18,624 --> 00:05:20,670
+ma non potevamo tenerlo
+
+79
+00:05:21,744 --> 00:05:25,008
+Quindi ci siamo ritirati nel blocco D.
+
+80
+00:05:29,504 --> 00:05:34,128
+Il posto sta esplodendo.
+Fumo da cinque edifici,
+
+81
+00:05:34,224 --> 00:05:37,408
+La cappella e la lavanderia
+sono in fiamme.
+
+82
+00:05:38,224 --> 00:05:40,380
+Avevamo sotto controllo solo il cortile.
+
+83
+00:05:40,928 --> 00:05:43,936
+Loro controllavano il sistema,
+e i cancelli.
+
+84
+00:05:44,192 --> 00:05:48,352
+e le porte, e i passaggi.
+Erano sui marciapiedi con le pistole.
+
+85
+00:05:48,512 --> 00:05:50,224
+da dove possono vederti.
+
+86
+00:05:50,384 --> 00:05:53,920
+Ora faccio una panoramica
+del blocco B
+
+87
+00:05:54,448 --> 00:05:58,464
+riprendendo un gruppo
+sul tetto del blocco C.
+
+88
+00:05:59,312 --> 00:06:00,960
+right
+
+89
+00:06:01,088 --> 00:06:04,384
+Ora si vedono il cortile
+e il blocco D.
+
+90
+00:06:04,544 --> 00:06:07,408
+Adesso uso il telescopio
+del fucile .270.
+
+91
+00:06:08,512 --> 00:06:11,216
+sono brutti e sono neri,
+
+92
+00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:15,424
+il più nero gentiluomo negro
+che abbia mai visto in vita mia.
+
+93
+00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,912
+Sapevamo che erano
+là fuori sulle passerelle.
+
+94
+00:06:19,696 --> 00:06:22,620
+Posizionati
+in un certo modo..
+
+95
+00:06:23,888 --> 00:06:27,152
+Anche se sapevi che erano lì,
+loro si mettevano in modo
+
+96
+00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,608
+da non farsi vedere.
+
+97
+00:06:30,210 --> 00:06:33,904
+I prigionieri, perlopiù, si sono travisati
+
+98
+00:06:34,032 --> 00:06:37,408
+con sciarpe, asciugamani, per nascondere la faccia.
+
+99
+00:06:38,368 --> 00:06:40,704
+Era un modo per celare
+
+100
+00:06:40,864 --> 00:06:42,240
+la tua identità, e non esporla,
+
+101
+00:06:43,456 --> 00:06:46,672
+e se gli sbirri fossero entrati,
+sai, tu eri protetto.
+
+102
+00:06:46,816 --> 00:06:48,224
+O pensavi di esserlo.
+
+103
+00:06:54,570 --> 00:06:57,610
+In Attica, New York,
+about 1000 long term convicts
+
+104
+00:06:57,610 --> 00:07:00,820
+today rioted and they gained control
+of the maximum security prison.
+
+105
+00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,660
+They also seized 33 guards as hostages
+and injured others in the fighting.
+
+106
+00:07:05,030 --> 00:07:07,410
+State police have regained
+control of most of the prison,
+
+107
+00:07:07,410 --> 00:07:08,910
+but the trouble isn't over yet.
+
+108
+00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:12,330
+When we
+
+109
+00:07:12,330 --> 00:07:15,170
+got to deal with the hostages,
+we hollered,
+
+110
+00:07:15,630 --> 00:07:20,800
+we got hostages and we had about 1000
+
+111
+00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,140
+men shouting at.
+
+112
+00:07:27,390 --> 00:07:27,930
+We know
+
+113
+00:07:27,930 --> 00:07:33,600
+Indian hostages to keep the police coming
+and drop in on us, got our hostages.
+
+114
+00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,270
+That's the only that's the only leverage.
+
+115
+00:07:36,570 --> 00:07:41,400
+As long as they have the hostages,
+they didn't have guns
+
+116
+00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,910
+and they didn't have this
+and they didn't have that,
+
+117
+00:07:44,950 --> 00:07:47,450
+but they had hostages.
+
+118
+00:07:47,830 --> 00:07:53,330
+And they're your people
+and you were responsible for your people.
+
+119
+00:07:53,710 --> 00:07:56,790
+You're responsible to protect your people
+
+120
+00:07:57,250 --> 00:08:00,420
+and do your job.
+
+121
+00:08:00,420 --> 00:08:02,800
+Sit down and negotiate with us
+
+122
+00:08:04,430 --> 00:08:07,720
+getting into the area
+where the 21 hostages are being held
+
+123
+00:08:08,970 --> 00:08:14,600
+here in that main group room
+because the prisoners
+
+124
+00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:18,940
+have taken their clothing away
+and put prison clothes on.
+
+125
+00:08:20,230 --> 00:08:23,780
+They were blindfolded in a circle
+in the middle of the yard.
+
+126
+00:08:23,900 --> 00:08:29,030
+They also had guards, inmate guards
+that were around them, protecting them.
+
+127
+00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,580
+And we seen them as captives.
+
+128
+00:08:33,580 --> 00:08:36,420
+We seen as people who were in on the.
+
+129
+00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,090
+Our supervision.
+
+130
+00:08:40,550 --> 00:08:43,720
+So we couldn't do harm to them,
+but understand that Islam
+
+131
+00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,390
+was that you don't harm a captive,
+therefore.
+
+132
+00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,680
+It was decided.
+
+133
+00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,600
+To allow the Muslim brothers.
+
+134
+00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:56,850
+To look out for them.
+
+135
+00:08:56,850 --> 00:08:59,820
+I was so mad at them for not letting us
+get to the police
+
+136
+00:09:00,110 --> 00:09:02,820
+because I wanted to put my hands
+someone I wanted to get wanted
+
+137
+00:09:02,820 --> 00:09:04,900
+to give them a very fuck them up.
+
+138
+00:09:04,900 --> 00:09:07,110
+These are the same politicians
+talking down to me,
+
+139
+00:09:07,660 --> 00:09:09,990
+dirty to me and tell me, get over it.
+
+140
+00:09:10,780 --> 00:09:12,750
+So I said, Yeah, now
+what do you think about me now?
+
+141
+00:09:12,750 --> 00:09:14,370
+Yeah, yeah.
+
+142
+00:09:14,870 --> 00:09:17,920
+And the good thing that the Muslims just
+did because London police would have been
+
+143
+00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:19,380
+on video.
+
+144
+00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:24,800
+It's hard for somebody that
+
+145
+00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:30,050
+has never been incarcerated
+to understand how surreal
+
+146
+00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:35,230
+everything is at this point in time,
+we nobody threatening us.
+
+147
+00:09:35,310 --> 00:09:39,440
+We had, you know, it sounds crazy,
+but it was when you had it a little bit,
+
+148
+00:09:39,810 --> 00:09:43,610
+even this much control over your own life,
+even for a short period.
+
+149
+00:09:43,610 --> 00:09:46,990
+You know, it's going to cost you,
+you know, in spades.
+
+150
+00:09:47,740 --> 00:09:51,740
+You know,
+it was a moment of exuberance. Of.
+
+151
+00:09:52,740 --> 00:09:57,210
+Somehow doing something
+to have some control over your own life,
+
+152
+00:09:57,330 --> 00:10:06,470
+you do it up,
+
+153
+00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:08,630
+don't lose.
+
+154
+00:10:14,770 --> 00:10:17,480
+When you first got out,
+there was totally just gave it up.
+
+155
+00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:18,940
+Guys are coming up.
+
+156
+00:10:18,940 --> 00:10:21,810
+Food, clothing, setting up tents.
+
+157
+00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,280
+Oh, it's a festive time.
+
+158
+00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:27,650
+We, we're free.
+
+159
+00:10:30,700 --> 00:10:32,950
+We came together as a community,
+
+160
+00:10:32,950 --> 00:10:35,910
+and that's when there was no such thing
+
+161
+00:10:35,950 --> 00:10:39,670
+as black, white, Hispanic,
+whatever it was about.
+
+162
+00:10:40,170 --> 00:10:41,080
+We are inmates
+
+163
+00:10:42,250 --> 00:10:42,540
+and we
+
+164
+00:10:42,540 --> 00:10:45,840
+need to be able to survive
+whatever's going on.
+
+165
+00:10:46,590 --> 00:10:48,470
+Oh, good.
+
+166
+00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:53,390
+Come on, buddy.
+
+167
+00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:55,350
+So we're you
+
+168
+00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,310
+to have, you know, what is it
+
+169
+00:11:00,310 --> 00:11:02,480
+we did about it?
+
+170
+00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:03,480
+We die.
+
+171
+00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,360
+Got we.
+
+172
+00:11:08,990 --> 00:11:11,030
+The guys that had been to Vietnam,
+
+173
+00:11:12,070 --> 00:11:14,700
+they said, let's make Hutchins,
+
+174
+00:11:14,700 --> 00:11:17,330
+who draws of ten kids,
+
+175
+00:11:17,330 --> 00:11:20,830
+took a stick
+and put a sheet over all of that,
+
+176
+00:11:21,750 --> 00:11:25,460
+and I was just sleeping quarters
+
+177
+00:11:27,090 --> 00:11:29,760
+by the time guys started
+
+178
+00:11:31,590 --> 00:11:33,760
+having to go to the bathroom.
+
+179
+00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:36,180
+There was none will work
+
+180
+00:11:36,180 --> 00:11:39,770
+the crowd that had been to Vietnam
+and been in the army, they said.
+
+181
+00:11:39,770 --> 00:11:41,940
+We got to make that a train.
+
+182
+00:11:41,940 --> 00:11:43,400
+They knew the latrine was.
+
+183
+00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:46,400
+I don't know what all the training was.
+
+184
+00:11:53,070 --> 00:11:54,620
+I'll give you a lap.
+
+185
+00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:56,080
+All right. All right.
+
+186
+00:11:56,580 --> 00:11:58,540
+Okay. I got to speak.
+
+187
+00:11:58,540 --> 00:11:59,200
+There was his
+
+188
+00:12:00,450 --> 00:12:01,580
+brother
+
+189
+00:12:02,210 --> 00:12:04,830
+and I said, Brother, he was white.
+
+190
+00:12:04,830 --> 00:12:06,790
+They call him tiny.
+
+191
+00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,510
+And he was like a nurse
+before the article, before you happened
+
+192
+00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:15,050
+to set up a medical section of New York.
+
+193
+00:12:15,260 --> 00:12:19,350
+For anybody who had any problems to go
+and in time you would take him
+
+194
+00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,770
+and the medical attention in your eye
+
+195
+00:12:23,770 --> 00:12:27,360
+was much better than the medical tent
+you got throughout the years.
+
+196
+00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:30,980
+Oh, and he had a good time.
+
+197
+00:12:30,980 --> 00:12:34,700
+He was making wine
+and cooking food outside.
+
+198
+00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,870
+It was like a big picnic,
+like a chanty town.
+
+199
+00:12:37,870 --> 00:12:39,540
+You know, like that would belong.
+
+200
+00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:42,450
+When in Buffalo Bill was out there,
+
+201
+00:12:42,750 --> 00:12:45,870
+have you ever watched Gunsmoke
+
+202
+00:12:45,870 --> 00:12:46,540
+the West?
+
+203
+00:12:46,540 --> 00:12:51,420
+Well, Matt, Matt Dillon
+was the show marshal at the Gunsmoke.
+
+204
+00:12:51,710 --> 00:12:53,380
+He kept order
+
+205
+00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,760
+and we didn't have a map.
+
+206
+00:12:57,430 --> 00:13:00,640
+Every man was a law unto himself.
+
+207
+00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,600
+He did whatever the hell you want to do.
+
+208
+00:13:05,310 --> 00:13:07,480
+There was no order.
+
+209
+00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,760
+The assignment
+
+210
+00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:40,510
+editor says there's
+this place called Attica and there's
+
+211
+00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,190
+some prison riot up there
+and we want you to go up and do it.
+
+212
+00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:49,480
+We're not sure about any of what
+
+213
+00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,440
+the details are specifically.
+
+214
+00:13:52,940 --> 00:13:56,110
+And off I went.
+
+215
+00:13:57,070 --> 00:14:00,990
+Up to Buffalo and then on to Attica.
+
+216
+00:14:07,250 --> 00:14:07,870
+This is John
+
+217
+00:14:07,870 --> 00:14:10,500
+Johnson, ABC News, Attica, New York.
+
+218
+00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,460
+It was just an extremely
+
+219
+00:14:15,590 --> 00:14:18,180
+fluid situation, to say the least.
+
+220
+00:14:18,470 --> 00:14:20,970
+And it was hard to get information.
+
+221
+00:14:21,180 --> 00:14:25,100
+I mean, we couldn't get inside,
+and all we heard was
+
+222
+00:14:25,390 --> 00:14:27,980
+these inmates want to talk
+
+223
+00:14:28,230 --> 00:14:31,520
+and they have prisoners.
+
+224
+00:14:31,730 --> 00:14:33,940
+And this was something almost
+
+225
+00:14:33,940 --> 00:14:36,780
+that had never happened in history.
+
+226
+00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:41,280
+This huge institution
+where the inmates have taken over.
+
+227
+00:14:41,740 --> 00:14:42,740
+Oh my goodness.
+
+228
+00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:47,410
+Atika, New York had never heard of Atika,
+New York.
+
+229
+00:14:47,450 --> 00:14:49,160
+What's an etiquette?
+
+230
+00:14:49,210 --> 00:14:52,080
+Quite frankly,
+I did not know what to expect
+
+231
+00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:54,250
+when I got to Atika.
+
+232
+00:14:55,670 --> 00:14:57,880
+We parked right in front of the prison,
+
+233
+00:14:58,170 --> 00:15:02,970
+so consequently we just set up and started
+
+234
+00:15:02,970 --> 00:15:05,810
+filming as much as we possibly could
+
+235
+00:15:06,270 --> 00:15:08,930
+of the activities outside of the prison
+
+236
+00:15:10,230 --> 00:15:12,940
+. We had no idea what was happening
+inside.
+
+237
+00:15:13,310 --> 00:15:18,320
+Your instructions are that
+your weapon is not to be taken by you.
+
+238
+00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,150
+To be taken,
+you're to meet force with force.
+
+239
+00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:25,330
+There have been some of the prison
+personnel severely injured here
+
+240
+00:15:25,870 --> 00:15:28,830
+this morning, and we certainly don't
+want to see any right
+
+241
+00:15:28,870 --> 00:15:29,870
+people hurt.
+
+242
+00:15:32,170 --> 00:15:34,790
+The state police officers
+
+243
+00:15:34,790 --> 00:15:38,010
+were being handed out weapons.
+
+244
+00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,510
+They were making sure they had gas masks.
+
+245
+00:15:42,380 --> 00:15:47,390
+It looked to me like they were ready to
+go in and retake the prison.
+
+246
+00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,100
+The inmates
+circumstances, might you go inside?
+
+247
+00:15:52,100 --> 00:15:52,640
+Pardon me.
+
+248
+00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,560
+Might you go inside
+under some circumstances?
+
+249
+00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:57,230
+Well, one doesn't know.
+I'll have to fill this out.
+
+250
+00:15:57,270 --> 00:15:59,440
+The inmates made any demands. one me.
+
+251
+00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:00,320
+I don't know.
+
+252
+00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,820
+They say that they only want to speak
+with the governor or me.
+
+253
+00:16:03,160 --> 00:16:06,200
+There seem to be some sense at the time
+
+254
+00:16:06,620 --> 00:16:10,290
+that we are going to have to negotiate
+something
+
+255
+00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,290
+to save the lives of the hostages
+
+256
+00:16:14,540 --> 00:16:18,250
+because of the hostages that they have.
+
+257
+00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:21,760
+There's the possibility that negotiations
+
+258
+00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:23,380
+will begin.
+
+259
+00:16:25,260 --> 00:16:29,010
+And we're looking at a man
+
+260
+00:16:30,810 --> 00:16:34,270
+using a loudspeaker on a bullhorn.
+
+261
+00:16:37,270 --> 00:16:37,810
+Well,
+
+262
+00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:42,360
+there appears to be a large meeting
+going on in this area,
+
+263
+00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,410
+although we can't hear anything from that
+section.
+
+264
+00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:47,870
+That's right.
+
+265
+00:16:50,580 --> 00:16:51,160
+And inmates
+
+266
+00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:54,670
+decided that,
+you know, they're in a situation that,
+
+267
+00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,090
+you know, that required man
+a little bit more focus,
+
+268
+00:16:58,630 --> 00:17:02,760
+a little bit more discipline,
+how to combine the actual population.
+
+269
+00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,470
+Who do you want to represent you? You
+
+270
+00:17:06,970 --> 00:17:10,310
+mean we had elections, blah blah blah.
+
+271
+00:17:11,260 --> 00:17:13,480
+That's where we got our leaders from.
+
+272
+00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:13,980
+Hell.
+
+273
+00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,520
+Now some guys have some juice in.
+
+274
+00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,020
+They already.
+
+275
+00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,860
+The guys that have been there, while
+
+276
+00:17:20,860 --> 00:17:23,490
+all other inmates respected
+
+277
+00:17:24,530 --> 00:17:27,320
+what they were saying made sense to most,
+everybody was in the yard.
+
+278
+00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:30,740
+And they had a plan
+
+279
+00:17:30,740 --> 00:17:34,120
+and they had a plan about making things
+different for the prison system itself.
+
+280
+00:17:35,660 --> 00:17:40,380
+All we want is the basic necessities
+of being treated like human beings,
+
+281
+00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,340
+even though we're in prison,
+we're human beings and stuff like that.
+
+282
+00:17:46,930 --> 00:17:47,760
+The prisoners
+
+283
+00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,640
+in the yard must have had a radio.
+
+284
+00:17:50,970 --> 00:17:53,680
+They heard I was outside.
+
+285
+00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,770
+So they ask for me to come in.
+
+286
+00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:58,690
+I said, sure.
+
+287
+00:17:59,150 --> 00:18:01,360
+And they then said
+
+288
+00:18:01,360 --> 00:18:05,490
+we would like Commissioner
+Oswald to come in, and
+
+289
+00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:08,280
+some of his assistant
+
+290
+00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,200
+said, Don't go, don't go
+that you can't trust them.
+
+291
+00:18:13,330 --> 00:18:15,910
+And Oswald said,
+Of course, I'm going to go in.
+
+292
+00:18:17,750 --> 00:18:20,170
+We are glad to have someone
+from the administration
+
+293
+00:18:20,830 --> 00:18:23,590
+point blank
+coming in and view it as fact, now
+
+294
+00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:26,550
+we're making some kind of headway
+beginning here.
+
+295
+00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:28,430
+We got some contact with somebody.
+
+296
+00:18:28,430 --> 00:18:30,970
+We've got some negotiations for you
+listening to us.
+
+297
+00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:34,810
+I've never heard of this before
+negotiating
+
+298
+00:18:35,060 --> 00:18:40,020
+with inmates, and I just assume
+
+299
+00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:46,570
+that this was going to be
+in a landmark moment in American history.
+
+300
+00:18:46,610 --> 00:18:50,660
+I thought that this was going
+to be negotiated
+
+301
+00:18:50,990 --> 00:18:53,990
+to a decent humanitarian end.
+
+302
+00:18:55,290 --> 00:18:58,330
+It seems to be a little misunderstanding
+about why.
+
+303
+00:18:59,370 --> 00:19:01,540
+This incident developed at Attica
+
+304
+00:19:01,540 --> 00:19:04,090
+in this declaration here
+will explain the reasons
+
+305
+00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:10,050
+the entire incident that has erupted
+here, Adam, is not a result.
+
+306
+00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:17,100
+Well,
+in college towns and their factory towns,
+
+307
+00:19:17,100 --> 00:19:20,560
+there's all kinds of towns in this country
+and this is Attica, New York.
+
+308
+00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:23,270
+It's a prison town.
+
+309
+00:19:24,980 --> 00:19:26,980
+Most of the people
+in the village of Attica
+
+310
+00:19:26,980 --> 00:19:29,650
+make their living,
+working at the state prison
+
+311
+00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:32,610
+for 40 years.
+
+312
+00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:35,160
+Most have lived within
+sight of the prison wall.
+
+313
+00:19:35,780 --> 00:19:37,990
+They have never feared.
+
+314
+00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:43,460
+The village of Attica
+
+315
+00:19:43,460 --> 00:19:46,170
+was a great place to live was
+
+316
+00:19:47,460 --> 00:19:48,550
+very typical.
+
+317
+00:19:48,550 --> 00:19:50,970
+I think small town
+
+318
+00:19:50,970 --> 00:19:53,760
+where you knew everyone,
+
+319
+00:19:54,550 --> 00:19:56,760
+you were related
+to probably half of the town.
+
+320
+00:19:59,220 --> 00:20:02,270
+We've ride our bikes through town,
+go to the park,
+
+321
+00:20:02,270 --> 00:20:06,980
+we go swimming at the public pool,
+we go hiking up in the woods.
+
+322
+00:20:11,190 --> 00:20:13,450
+Erica is a company town.
+
+323
+00:20:14,740 --> 00:20:18,200
+Many of the people who work there
+and have lived in our town
+
+324
+00:20:18,540 --> 00:20:22,830
+worked as either civilian employees
+or corrections officers at Attica.
+
+325
+00:20:24,420 --> 00:20:27,920
+My grandfather worked there.
+
+326
+00:20:28,250 --> 00:20:30,800
+My dad worked there.
+
+327
+00:20:31,050 --> 00:20:32,590
+And between six or
+
+328
+00:20:32,590 --> 00:20:36,340
+eight of the houses that were on
+our street had correctional officers
+
+329
+00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:39,560
+or civilian individuals
+working in them with their families.
+
+330
+00:20:44,350 --> 00:20:46,730
+These were the only jobs in the area,
+
+331
+00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,610
+dairy farming and the prisons.
+
+332
+00:20:50,610 --> 00:20:54,450
+So there was this culture clash
+that came together to Africa.
+
+333
+00:20:54,820 --> 00:20:56,990
+You had all white guards.
+
+334
+00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,990
+And a population of prisoners,
+
+335
+00:21:00,990 --> 00:21:04,580
+there was 70 or more percent
+black and brown.
+
+336
+00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,420
+What could go wrong?
+
+337
+00:21:12,590 --> 00:21:15,590
+And the reputation was called
+the last stop.
+
+338
+00:21:16,050 --> 00:21:18,680
+This was the most strict prison
+in the state of New York.
+
+339
+00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,640
+It was known the word was dead
+
+340
+00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,850
+that when you got there,
+you knew where he was in for a hard place.
+
+341
+00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:27,230
+Last place,
+the last place, Attica was the last place
+
+342
+00:21:28,060 --> 00:21:29,690
+that was that was that that was last.
+
+343
+00:21:29,690 --> 00:21:32,610
+And you've got to really be there
+to see why
+
+344
+00:21:32,900 --> 00:21:35,820
+there was no, no black guards in Attica.
+
+345
+00:21:36,070 --> 00:21:38,070
+There was no Spanish guards.
+
+346
+00:21:38,070 --> 00:21:41,990
+They were all white people, man
+that come from the local neighborhoods
+
+347
+00:21:42,540 --> 00:21:46,290
+that don't know
+nothing about people who come from broken
+
+348
+00:21:46,540 --> 00:21:49,920
+people who come from Manhattan,
+people who come from the Bronx.
+
+349
+00:21:50,590 --> 00:21:52,300
+They don't know
+nothing about this culture.
+
+350
+00:21:53,380 --> 00:21:55,720
+Most of
+them don't even want to talk to you.
+
+351
+00:21:56,090 --> 00:21:57,180
+They're giving you just straight.
+
+352
+00:21:57,180 --> 00:21:58,800
+Don't talk to me.
+
+353
+00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,100
+And it was like that Don't talk to me.
+
+354
+00:22:01,100 --> 00:22:03,470
+They were hit the state bar.
+
+355
+00:22:03,470 --> 00:22:04,770
+And this is a metal.
+
+356
+00:22:04,770 --> 00:22:07,310
+A metal tips that.
+
+357
+00:22:07,310 --> 00:22:10,690
+And it rings out, but and you walk
+
+358
+00:22:11,310 --> 00:22:13,860
+and then when they want you to stop,
+they said. But
+
+359
+00:22:14,940 --> 00:22:16,950
+that was their communication.
+
+360
+00:22:16,950 --> 00:22:19,490
+The only thing was right was being right
+
+361
+00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:21,700
+and I mean it in all sincerity
+
+362
+00:22:21,700 --> 00:22:25,330
+where everybody was sort of like
+not so much mixing with other countries
+
+363
+00:22:25,330 --> 00:22:27,910
+would stand together
+for the purpose of the.
+
+364
+00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,250
+Survival,
+
+365
+00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:33,960
+I was white, so I got the best jobs.
+
+366
+00:22:34,670 --> 00:22:36,970
+I was always given a little bit
+
+367
+00:22:36,970 --> 00:22:40,720
+more leeway than the Blacks.
+
+368
+00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:45,020
+I can get an extra meal if I want to one
+because I was a white guy.
+
+369
+00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,270
+I'm a I'm a white guy, you know,
+give me a little extra.
+
+370
+00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:50,810
+And I got it.
+
+371
+00:22:50,810 --> 00:22:54,570
+I always was able to manipulate the system
+
+372
+00:22:54,570 --> 00:22:57,110
+inside the prison
+because I was a white guy.
+
+373
+00:22:57,690 --> 00:23:01,450
+I'm almost ashamed to say
+that I took advantage of that back then,
+
+374
+00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:04,950
+but it was the only way to survive.
+
+375
+00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:07,330
+It really, really was.
+
+376
+00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,670
+A roll of toilet
+
+377
+00:23:17,670 --> 00:23:20,050
+paper would have to last you a month.
+
+378
+00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,970
+You have to be a magician
+or tear up papers
+
+379
+00:23:23,970 --> 00:23:27,270
+out of the books and stuff like that
+to wipe your behind and stuff like that.
+
+380
+00:23:27,310 --> 00:23:30,100
+Guys were complaining
+about basically things like toothpaste.
+
+381
+00:23:31,230 --> 00:23:32,810
+Toilet paper.
+
+382
+00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,360
+A change of sheets.
+
+383
+00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:37,320
+More than once a month.
+
+384
+00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:39,400
+Things like digging clothes being cleaned.
+
+385
+00:23:40,490 --> 00:23:43,160
+Personal hygiene, things
+being treated like human beings.
+
+386
+00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:49,120
+No school program, Atika, was.
+
+387
+00:23:49,330 --> 00:23:51,830
+I can't describe it to me.
+
+388
+00:23:52,290 --> 00:23:53,500
+It was dead.
+
+389
+00:23:53,580 --> 00:23:55,250
+It was just dead.
+
+390
+00:23:58,630 --> 00:24:01,300
+There was no religious freedom,
+particularly
+
+391
+00:24:01,300 --> 00:24:03,930
+for the burgeoning Muslim movement.
+
+392
+00:24:04,090 --> 00:24:07,560
+They were denied the right to worship.
+
+393
+00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:12,770
+They were fed pork because the prison
+also had a farm where they raised pigs.
+
+394
+00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:15,810
+So that's what you god.
+
+395
+00:24:15,810 --> 00:24:18,110
+If it isn't $0.60 a day,
+
+396
+00:24:18,110 --> 00:24:20,780
+so that's $0.24 a meal.
+
+397
+00:24:20,780 --> 00:24:24,320
+If saw money on $0.21.
+
+398
+00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:26,740
+I swear to God,
+
+399
+00:24:26,740 --> 00:24:29,660
+one time I got my head opened up by God
+
+400
+00:24:30,330 --> 00:24:32,620
+and I was put into a segregation cell.
+
+401
+00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,880
+And a doctor came, you know,
+
+402
+00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:37,920
+just out of I was bleeding all over.
+
+403
+00:24:39,050 --> 00:24:42,380
+So it's like they cracked my head wide
+open.
+
+404
+00:24:43,380 --> 00:24:47,010
+Put it over here,
+but they had a feeding hole in the cell.
+
+405
+00:24:48,180 --> 00:24:49,640
+And so I put it that he put a
+
+406
+00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,270
+flashlight like, I swear to God,
+he hit me with the flashlight.
+
+407
+00:24:54,020 --> 00:24:57,310
+Right, right where the cut was.
+
+408
+00:24:58,110 --> 00:24:59,860
+And walked away.
+
+409
+00:25:04,570 --> 00:25:06,950
+They wait
+until everybody is locked up at night
+
+410
+00:25:07,070 --> 00:25:09,870
+and then they come for you,
+come for you as a goose.
+
+411
+00:25:12,910 --> 00:25:15,960
+These are the beat up police.
+
+412
+00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,210
+These two guys, they come nine, ten.
+
+413
+00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:21,250
+Real big guys
+
+414
+00:25:21,250 --> 00:25:25,630
+with real big sticks when they come in
+and they beat you up in your show
+
+415
+00:25:25,630 --> 00:25:29,050
+and then they take, you say, gation
+and sometimes you don't come back.
+
+416
+00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:30,930
+Attica was.
+
+417
+00:25:34,020 --> 00:25:34,770
+It's.
+
+418
+00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:40,650
+Fear they they ran the prison would fear.
+
+419
+00:25:42,110 --> 00:25:44,570
+Being scared of them were their means
+
+420
+00:25:44,570 --> 00:25:47,280
+of running a prison.
+
+421
+00:25:50,530 --> 00:25:53,200
+You either shut your mouth
+or you were in big trouble.
+
+422
+00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,370
+Some people died.
+
+423
+00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:01,670
+Somewhat crippled,
+somewhat psychologically damaged
+
+424
+00:26:01,670 --> 00:26:05,630
+for life. And.
+
+425
+00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,300
+It was a bad place to be.
+
+426
+00:26:15,850 --> 00:26:17,890
+They wanted to to institute
+
+427
+00:26:17,890 --> 00:26:20,650
+and instill that fear
+and that they were in control,
+
+428
+00:26:21,900 --> 00:26:24,320
+even though they knew
+they were losing control.
+
+429
+00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,740
+My generation
+
+430
+00:26:27,740 --> 00:26:30,240
+that came into Annika at that time,
+
+431
+00:26:31,070 --> 00:26:34,240
+we felt that we was in broken Malabar
+as we wasn't
+
+432
+00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,460
+shuffling our feet,
+we would walk with our heads up high.
+
+433
+00:26:37,870 --> 00:26:39,920
+We would talk in our own lingo.
+
+434
+00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:41,250
+Who's your daddy?
+
+435
+00:26:41,250 --> 00:26:43,000
+That's what we were going to take.
+
+436
+00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:44,920
+Nothing from nobody.
+
+437
+00:26:45,170 --> 00:26:47,340
+We want to respect.
+
+438
+00:26:48,510 --> 00:26:50,680
+You had to give it to us,
+would you want to do or not?
+
+439
+00:26:51,890 --> 00:26:54,220
+I'd read Algiers Cleaver Soul on Ice.
+
+440
+00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:59,390
+Huey Newton and, you know, the path of
+Piety and George Jackson story.
+
+441
+00:26:59,390 --> 00:27:00,810
+I read all that stuff.
+
+442
+00:27:00,810 --> 00:27:02,480
+George Jackson was revolutionary.
+
+443
+00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:07,820
+He's got to get busted for a ten dollar
+on gas station robbery and gang life.
+
+444
+00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,780
+He ended up in the system
+in the soul of the prison.
+
+445
+00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,330
+He showed us. And I mean us.
+
+446
+00:27:15,490 --> 00:27:17,620
+The younger guys that came into Attica
+
+447
+00:27:18,370 --> 00:27:21,540
+there was OK to say no.
+
+448
+00:27:21,540 --> 00:27:24,170
+It was OK to be rebellious.
+
+449
+00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,630
+Understand
+they may be consequences to saying no.
+
+450
+00:27:30,050 --> 00:27:31,970
+But it was OK
+
+451
+00:27:31,970 --> 00:27:35,010
+and it was uplifting, it was uplifting.
+
+452
+00:27:35,970 --> 00:27:39,430
+I think racism is a controlled
+of control would
+
+453
+00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:43,020
+create an atmosphere whereby then
+
+454
+00:27:43,020 --> 00:27:48,280
+petroleum, of course, here in prison
+we see the repression
+
+455
+00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,570
+and the exploitation,
+
+456
+00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:53,530
+the victimization of.
+
+457
+00:27:53,660 --> 00:27:56,490
+Lower class people's.
+
+458
+00:27:56,660 --> 00:27:59,660
+A lot of Black Panthers
+were coming to prison.
+
+459
+00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:03,170
+I started hanging out with them
+and they politicized me.
+
+460
+00:28:03,630 --> 00:28:07,340
+The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense
+calls upon the American people in general
+
+461
+00:28:07,550 --> 00:28:11,510
+and the black people in particular
+to take careful note of the racist.
+
+462
+00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:15,220
+Police agencies throughout the country
+are intensifying the terror,
+
+463
+00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:18,470
+brutality, murder
+and repression of black people.
+
+464
+00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:23,810
+Of course, you had black Muslims
+and his message to a black man really?
+
+465
+00:28:24,100 --> 00:28:27,320
+Well, a lot of guys that were in jail.
+
+466
+00:28:27,610 --> 00:28:29,190
+You want one thing?
+
+467
+00:28:29,190 --> 00:28:31,860
+We declare our right on this word
+
+468
+00:28:32,450 --> 00:28:36,160
+to be a man, to be a human being,
+to be respected,
+
+469
+00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:39,330
+every human being,
+to be given the rights of a human being
+
+470
+00:28:39,660 --> 00:28:44,000
+in this society, on this Earth,
+and this day what we intend
+
+471
+00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,130
+to bring into existence
+by any means in the city.
+
+472
+00:28:53,090 --> 00:28:53,720
+Officials at
+
+473
+00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,970
+California's San Quentin
+Prison still are trying to piece together
+
+474
+00:28:56,970 --> 00:29:00,680
+exactly what happened and how inmate
+attempted prison break yesterday,
+
+475
+00:29:00,970 --> 00:29:03,520
+in which three convicts and three guards
+died.
+
+476
+00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:07,480
+one of the dead convicts was George
+Jackson of the self-styled
+
+477
+00:29:07,610 --> 00:29:10,190
+Soledad Brothers. Jackson was 29.
+
+478
+00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:12,820
+Joy Jackson was that final straw?
+
+479
+00:29:12,820 --> 00:29:14,200
+I don't give a fuck no more.
+
+480
+00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:15,530
+You're going to kill us anyway.
+
+481
+00:29:15,530 --> 00:29:17,740
+We can't get out when it's fucking cage.
+
+482
+00:29:17,740 --> 00:29:18,950
+So where we're going.
+
+483
+00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:21,660
+So if we're going to die,
+let's die as men.
+
+484
+00:29:21,870 --> 00:29:25,540
+And brother just got frustrated.
+
+485
+00:29:27,170 --> 00:29:29,290
+We'd go into the mess hall
+
+486
+00:29:29,290 --> 00:29:31,880
+with a black band on Iran.
+
+487
+00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,550
+And just sit there,
+take a spoon when you come in.
+
+488
+00:29:35,260 --> 00:29:36,880
+Take no food.
+
+489
+00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,430
+We didn't speak.
+
+490
+00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:42,390
+During the whole time,
+we didn't pick up any food.
+
+491
+00:29:44,430 --> 00:29:46,440
+That I think kind of alerted
+
+492
+00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,940
+the institution that we are in solidarity.
+
+493
+00:29:50,730 --> 00:29:52,190
+They're probably seen that type
+
+494
+00:29:52,190 --> 00:29:55,030
+of solidarity before.
+
+495
+00:30:01,700 --> 00:30:03,790
+There was a lot of talk
+
+496
+00:30:03,790 --> 00:30:05,960
+discussing the situation
+
+497
+00:30:06,210 --> 00:30:10,130
+because the inmates were very upset
+
+498
+00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:12,750
+and things were happening here
+
+499
+00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,510
+and there was great concern.
+
+500
+00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,930
+It was a time bomb ready to blow,
+and we live with it
+
+501
+00:30:19,930 --> 00:30:23,640
+every day in my house
+and every day I say goodbye to my dad.
+
+502
+00:30:23,890 --> 00:30:26,230
+And I knew it might be the last day
+I saw him.
+
+503
+00:30:26,270 --> 00:30:29,900
+It was open conversation.
+
+504
+00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:34,320
+Things were getting worse,
+
+505
+00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,690
+and so they had a meeting
+with the administration
+
+506
+00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,240
+in the administration,
+essentially dismissed their concerns
+
+507
+00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:43,120
+and said everybody back to work.
+
+508
+00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:46,040
+However, we think maybe it's a good idea
+if you left
+
+509
+00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,420
+your personal belongings at home
+like wedding rings, wallets, et cetera.
+
+510
+00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:52,960
+So my father absolutely knew
+that something was going on.
+
+511
+00:30:53,380 --> 00:30:56,760
+I was having breakfast with him
+and he was talking to me,
+
+512
+00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,380
+and I knew he was nervous.
+
+513
+00:30:58,380 --> 00:31:01,890
+When he said something's going to happen,
+he said, I just don't know what or when,
+
+514
+00:31:02,550 --> 00:31:03,810
+but I think I'll be OK.
+
+515
+00:31:08,390 --> 00:31:09,350
+There was a fight
+
+516
+00:31:09,350 --> 00:31:12,560
+in a yard on September eighth,
+
+517
+00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:15,820
+and the guards promised
+nothing would happen as a result of this
+
+518
+00:31:15,820 --> 00:31:18,780
+because they could feel the tension
+building up.
+
+519
+00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,530
+Then that night, they broke that promise.
+
+520
+00:31:21,780 --> 00:31:26,410
+They came and pulled them out of cells
+and about three or four of them.
+
+521
+00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,370
+And then.
+
+522
+00:31:30,410 --> 00:31:32,540
+He was thought to embarrass
+Barroso would have a glass.
+
+523
+00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:37,170
+May have had or cans or whatever they may
+had, and it was a disturbance that dear.
+
+524
+00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:42,300
+So the inmates decided at that moment,
+Man, this is a man we tied.
+
+525
+00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:44,050
+I mean, they killed Josh Jackson.
+
+526
+00:31:44,050 --> 00:31:45,680
+They did this throughout the years.
+
+527
+00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,390
+We tie, you know, and they they went off.
+
+528
+00:31:58,780 --> 00:32:01,110
+I was in school that day.
+
+529
+00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,240
+And the whistle
+
+530
+00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,240
+from the prison just kept going,
+and we could hear it.
+
+531
+00:32:06,950 --> 00:32:09,620
+We got calls from somebody from the prison
+
+532
+00:32:09,620 --> 00:32:12,160
+saying that your dad, you know,
+is definitely being held.
+
+533
+00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,960
+You know, I was scared,
+I was worried for my dad.
+
+534
+00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,260
+I love my dad, but we didn't really
+know what was going on.
+
+535
+00:32:22,170 --> 00:32:25,010
+Understanding about what?
+
+536
+00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:29,140
+This incident developing it added
+in this declaration here will explain
+
+537
+00:32:29,140 --> 00:32:34,190
+the reasons for the entire incident
+that has erupted here at Attica
+
+538
+00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,820
+is not a result of the dastardly
+bushwhacking of the two prisoners.
+
+539
+00:32:38,980 --> 00:32:44,660
+September eighth of 1970
+11 of the unmitigated oppression wrought
+
+540
+00:32:44,660 --> 00:32:48,450
+by the racist administrative network
+of this prison throughout the years.
+
+541
+00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:53,120
+We want the government to guarantee
+that there will be no reprisals
+
+542
+00:32:53,410 --> 00:32:57,380
+and we want all facets of the media
+to articulate this.
+
+543
+00:32:58,290 --> 00:33:00,960
+We needed the media in there
+because we needed
+
+544
+00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,260
+to let the world know what was happening.
+
+545
+00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:08,390
+We know this is one of the turning points
+
+546
+00:33:08,390 --> 00:33:10,350
+in the whole thing.
+
+547
+00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,560
+We would like the press to come in,
+
+548
+00:33:15,230 --> 00:33:17,560
+including the television cameras
+
+549
+00:33:20,150 --> 00:33:23,030
+that transformed everything.
+
+550
+00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:28,820
+Because now
+the prisoners had a worldwide audience.
+
+551
+00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,620
+Whatever happens here at Attica
+State Prison,
+
+552
+00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:39,000
+I'm not sure how they heard
+that there was a black journalist outside
+
+553
+00:33:39,380 --> 00:33:42,420
+that they wanted me to be
+
+554
+00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:45,550
+on the group that went in with us.
+
+555
+00:33:46,340 --> 00:33:48,550
+Suddenly, I'm on in this group
+
+556
+00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:52,430
+going into the prison with this.
+
+557
+00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,430
+Head of the prison system.
+
+558
+00:33:55,430 --> 00:33:58,480
+I was surprised
+that they had asked for me.
+
+559
+00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,320
+But I guess
+because of the fact that they had watched
+
+560
+00:34:03,860 --> 00:34:07,410
+the news, my reports were factual
+
+561
+00:34:08,070 --> 00:34:11,870
+and I was not taking anybody's side
+
+562
+00:34:12,240 --> 00:34:14,290
+in the whole thing.
+
+563
+00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:17,540
+We went in
+
+564
+00:34:17,870 --> 00:34:21,920
+and it was completely surreal,
+
+565
+00:34:22,420 --> 00:34:26,340
+like, you're walking down a tunnel
+and suddenly
+
+566
+00:34:26,550 --> 00:34:29,090
+you walk into this huge yard
+
+567
+00:34:29,470 --> 00:34:34,680
+where there are men everywhere
+like thousands of men.
+
+568
+00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:37,560
+And I remember
+
+569
+00:34:38,060 --> 00:34:40,310
+some people yelling, Hey, J.J..
+
+570
+00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:43,320
+I said hello to people
+
+571
+00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,150
+that I knew from Bed-Stuy and Harlem,
+
+572
+00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,490
+and they were in Attica.
+
+573
+00:34:52,950 --> 00:34:55,490
+Once inside,
+we were brought along through the yard
+
+574
+00:34:55,490 --> 00:34:59,040
+with a member of the inmate security force
+constantly at our side.
+
+575
+00:34:59,870 --> 00:35:02,250
+We were allowed to go
+where they told us to go.
+
+576
+00:35:03,090 --> 00:35:04,380
+We were all allowed to film.
+
+577
+00:35:04,380 --> 00:35:06,510
+Only one of the prisoners told us
+we could.
+
+578
+00:35:07,090 --> 00:35:10,180
+Inmates faces were covered
+so as to keep their identities secret.
+
+579
+00:35:11,090 --> 00:35:14,680
+Our first concern on entering was to learn
+how the hostages
+
+580
+00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,730
+were going to see the hostages, but
+
+581
+00:35:17,980 --> 00:35:20,190
+I was able to ask.
+
+582
+00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:24,150
+one question before I was moved
+
+583
+00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:28,150
+to the negotiation table to read it,
+all right.
+
+584
+00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,450
+Yes, I have so far,
+but very no, no complaints, but
+
+585
+00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:34,660
+no problem solver so far and treat it
+very good.
+
+586
+00:35:35,910 --> 00:35:38,580
+Shortly thereafter, one of the inmates,
+
+587
+00:35:39,290 --> 00:35:42,080
+a young man by the name of l.D.
+
+588
+00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,670
+Barclay, started to read
+
+589
+00:35:45,710 --> 00:35:48,460
+the demands of the entire prison
+population.
+
+590
+00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:54,050
+That means each and every one of us here
+have set forth to change forever.
+
+591
+00:35:54,300 --> 00:35:57,350
+The ruthless brutalization and disregard
+for the lives
+
+592
+00:35:57,350 --> 00:36:00,310
+of the prisoners here
+and throughout the United States.
+
+593
+00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,020
+He was saying,
+What we all want you to scream.
+
+594
+00:36:03,650 --> 00:36:07,150
+But he was explaining it
+so that everybody could understand
+
+595
+00:36:07,570 --> 00:36:10,150
+so that when you were sitting
+in your living room,
+
+596
+00:36:10,150 --> 00:36:12,400
+you could say, Well, the guy's a criminal.
+
+597
+00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:13,570
+Yeah, but.
+
+598
+00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,240
+He is saying something that's.
+
+599
+00:36:15,240 --> 00:36:15,660
+That's
+
+600
+00:36:17,740 --> 00:36:19,370
+that I understand that.
+
+601
+00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:22,370
+How could we do that, you know,
+he was waking up America.
+
+602
+00:36:23,290 --> 00:36:25,630
+And he was the best one to do it.
+
+603
+00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:27,590
+We are men.
+
+604
+00:36:27,590 --> 00:36:31,760
+We are not beasts and we do not intend
+to be beaten or driven effort.
+
+605
+00:36:31,970 --> 00:36:34,840
+Audi is only going to be here for 90 days,
+
+606
+00:36:34,890 --> 00:36:38,310
+he'll be getting out, but he wanted to
+the outside world and noted.
+
+607
+00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,850
+The prison is inhumane.
+
+608
+00:36:42,850 --> 00:36:45,400
+What has happened here is but the sound of
+
+609
+00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,070
+for the fury of those who are oppressed,
+
+610
+00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:51,280
+we will not compromise on any terms
+
+611
+00:36:51,530 --> 00:36:54,610
+except those terms
+that are agreeable to us.
+
+612
+00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:56,700
+We call.
+
+613
+00:37:01,410 --> 00:37:03,910
+You felt it.
+
+614
+00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:07,130
+And at that moment,
+
+615
+00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:09,880
+I heard it and I seen it.
+
+616
+00:37:10,550 --> 00:37:13,340
+And that reaffirmed
+
+617
+00:37:13,340 --> 00:37:16,300
+why we was data, why I was there.
+
+618
+00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:22,430
+It was a feeling that this was big.
+
+619
+00:37:23,180 --> 00:37:25,390
+This was huge.
+
+620
+00:37:28,770 --> 00:37:32,280
+Corrections Commissioner Oswald maintained
+
+621
+00:37:32,860 --> 00:37:35,070
+that he had done
+
+622
+00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,910
+quite a bit of the things
+
+623
+00:37:38,910 --> 00:37:41,910
+that the inmates had requested.
+
+624
+00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:43,500
+I've,
+
+625
+00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,170
+uh, complied
+
+626
+00:37:46,170 --> 00:37:50,340
+with the several things
+I said I would do as my part.
+
+627
+00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,550
+I brought the press and other media
+
+628
+00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:57,760
+in here to listen as we talk.
+
+629
+00:37:58,010 --> 00:38:01,760
+And now my question is I asked earlier,
+
+630
+00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:06,230
+when will you release the hostages?
+
+631
+00:38:07,350 --> 00:38:09,480
+Now the table was turned
+
+632
+00:38:10,270 --> 00:38:13,030
+and we had the power,
+
+633
+00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,070
+so when we asked him for something,
+
+634
+00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:18,070
+he had to give it to us
+because he had no choice.
+
+635
+00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:21,160
+We wanted some assurance that we weren't
+
+636
+00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,450
+going to be retaliated against.
+
+637
+00:38:24,500 --> 00:38:26,660
+So we ask Herman Schwartz
+
+638
+00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:28,870
+to go to District Court in New York.
+
+639
+00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,050
+And I get an injunction
+
+640
+00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:37,340
+that would assure us
+that we wouldn't be retaliated against.
+
+641
+00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,090
+I sat down and wrote an injunction.
+
+642
+00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,180
+Which barred any kind of retaliation.
+
+643
+00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:48,560
+It had been agreed that there would be
+
+644
+00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,560
+another meeting the next morning.
+
+645
+00:38:52,730 --> 00:38:55,070
+The time is now ten minutes late.
+
+646
+00:38:55,070 --> 00:38:58,360
+We've been shooting this tape
+for approximately two hours.
+
+647
+00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:02,030
+We started about 6:00 p.m..
+
+648
+00:39:02,490 --> 00:39:04,540
+Light is almost gone now
+
+649
+00:39:04,540 --> 00:39:07,910
+we can see lights in cell block D.
+
+650
+00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:18,130
+Oh. The guy next to me
+
+651
+00:39:18,670 --> 00:39:20,970
+was named Raymond Wei.
+
+652
+00:39:22,050 --> 00:39:25,060
+You open up in the air.
+
+653
+00:39:25,060 --> 00:39:28,230
+Gardner still remain way, your way,
+
+654
+00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:31,270
+your smear
+
+655
+00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:34,690
+ain't been out at the dog and 22 years.
+
+656
+00:39:37,740 --> 00:39:38,690
+And we was talking
+
+657
+00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:40,950
+singing songs, it was
+it was a festive night.
+
+658
+00:39:41,950 --> 00:39:42,950
+I loved it. I loved it.
+
+659
+00:39:42,950 --> 00:39:46,580
+Then I was out in the nighttime
+looking at the stars.
+
+660
+00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,250
+I was drunk.
+I was happy. I was. I liked it.
+
+661
+00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:52,290
+Yeah, I was having a good time
+and it was good.
+
+662
+00:39:52,710 --> 00:39:54,380
+I feel free.
+
+663
+00:39:54,380 --> 00:39:58,010
+You know, I mean, prison was dead,
+but you know, I felt free.
+
+664
+00:39:58,210 --> 00:40:00,260
+And you had to hear
+
+665
+00:40:01,260 --> 00:40:03,640
+the doors not locking.
+
+666
+00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,350
+And if and if it was a good feeling
+that that first night
+
+667
+00:40:08,890 --> 00:40:10,810
+when it got dark
+
+668
+00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:13,480
+and everybody was talking
+about finding somewhere to sleep with,
+
+669
+00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,610
+you know, don't sleep alone
+and you know, that type of thing.
+
+670
+00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:19,740
+There's a lot of psychopaths
+and sociopaths
+
+671
+00:40:19,740 --> 00:40:23,280
+in those facilities, so you know you
+had to protect yourself from
+
+672
+00:40:24,410 --> 00:40:26,910
+from your peers, even.
+
+673
+00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,790
+Well,
+I knew this was going to last forever.
+
+674
+00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,960
+I knew they would.
+
+675
+00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,090
+It would be an end this.
+
+676
+00:40:41,090 --> 00:40:42,720
+But just because he was incarcerated
+
+677
+00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:44,800
+didn't mean that we were less than human.
+
+678
+00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:50,520
+Somebody had to take the stand.
+
+679
+00:40:59,690 --> 00:41:00,360
+At dawn,
+
+680
+00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,910
+a smoke from yesterday's fires lingered
+over prison walls, a federal injunction
+
+681
+00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:09,580
+was obtained prohibiting physical reprisal
+against those involved in the riot.
+
+682
+00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:13,660
+When I brought in the injunction,
+
+683
+00:41:14,370 --> 00:41:18,290
+we talked to the prisoners
+at opposite ends
+
+684
+00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:21,300
+of a rather long tunnel.
+
+685
+00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:24,760
+They said where where the administrators.
+
+686
+00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:26,590
+I don't know.
+
+687
+00:41:26,590 --> 00:41:28,890
+I'm here about know where they are.
+
+688
+00:41:28,890 --> 00:41:31,680
+Finally, at 10:00, Oswald
+
+689
+00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,020
+and the others show up.
+
+690
+00:41:35,100 --> 00:41:37,310
+The prisoners were furious.
+
+691
+00:41:37,310 --> 00:41:41,440
+They had been,
+as they would put it, dissed.
+
+692
+00:41:42,030 --> 00:41:44,700
+They're supposed
+to meet at seven or 8:00 and.
+
+693
+00:41:45,950 --> 00:41:48,030
+It was very clear
+
+694
+00:41:48,030 --> 00:41:51,200
+the air was very tense.
+
+695
+00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:54,870
+You had the table spread out.
+
+696
+00:41:55,500 --> 00:41:58,460
+We were on one side.
+
+697
+00:41:58,460 --> 00:42:00,710
+The inmates were on the other.
+
+698
+00:42:02,340 --> 00:42:03,960
+And I gave the document
+
+699
+00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,340
+that the judge had signed this.
+
+700
+00:42:07,590 --> 00:42:08,800
+It's nothing.
+
+701
+00:42:09,140 --> 00:42:11,680
+I'm sorry, I spent hours of
+
+702
+00:42:12,100 --> 00:42:14,730
+of and got no sleep and trouble
+
+703
+00:42:15,390 --> 00:42:19,350
+declaring that a federal judge
+has signed off on an injunction
+
+704
+00:42:19,650 --> 00:42:23,440
+saying that there would be no reprisals,
+anything that can.
+
+705
+00:42:24,900 --> 00:42:26,820
+Waving that at us
+
+706
+00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:29,240
+and they're free to do so was the same.
+
+707
+00:42:29,620 --> 00:42:32,160
+There was no judicial seal on it.
+
+708
+00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,830
+I have received injunctions
+from the Southern District,
+
+709
+00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,000
+which are judicial fields.
+
+710
+00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,000
+This paper is an empty gesture.
+
+711
+00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:41,080
+Jerry, did you?
+
+712
+00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:42,750
+That was his nickname.
+
+713
+00:42:42,750 --> 00:42:47,260
+Jerry Rosenberg was a hell of a guy
+and he was well respected.
+
+714
+00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:48,470
+He had a law degree.
+
+715
+00:42:49,890 --> 00:42:51,850
+Any new law he would help
+
+716
+00:42:51,850 --> 00:42:54,140
+all the inmates,
+she was a jailhouse lawyer.
+
+717
+00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,440
+You can take this piece of paper
+and throw it away
+
+718
+00:42:58,690 --> 00:43:00,150
+because this is no protection.
+
+719
+00:43:00,150 --> 00:43:03,190
+Geoffrey Rosenberg God bless him, sir.
+
+720
+00:43:04,150 --> 00:43:06,360
+Charging scientists.
+
+721
+00:43:06,610 --> 00:43:09,660
+There's
+no there's no lost in district court
+
+722
+00:43:09,660 --> 00:43:13,830
+stamp on this document
+saying that, you know what?
+
+723
+00:43:13,830 --> 00:43:17,250
+Nothing will happen to worse and torn up.
+
+724
+00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:20,750
+You know, we know you mean well,
+
+725
+00:43:20,750 --> 00:43:23,130
+but don't come with the bullshit here.
+
+726
+00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,630
+We want a judicial seal and a continuing
+
+727
+00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:30,010
+restraining order
+until the litigation is finally ended
+
+728
+00:43:30,300 --> 00:43:33,800
+without any reprisal or brutality
+against any inmate
+
+729
+00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:36,060
+of this institution.
+
+730
+00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,190
+Well, lawyers know
+
+731
+00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:50,030
+that seals don't mean anything
+
+732
+00:43:51,820 --> 00:43:55,030
+so long as the signature is there.
+
+733
+00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:58,410
+I could have kicked
+Jerry's ass, and I should have
+
+734
+00:43:59,620 --> 00:44:00,500
+read because
+
+735
+00:44:00,500 --> 00:44:03,290
+he he just started to grandstand.
+
+736
+00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,380
+You know, he was caught up in the moment.
+
+737
+00:44:08,300 --> 00:44:10,340
+Good, smart as he is
+
+738
+00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:14,090
+and a shrewd as he is, he over reacted.
+
+739
+00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,310
+And we lost an opportunity there.
+
+740
+00:44:17,310 --> 00:44:20,680
+And then somebody said, let's hold them.
+
+741
+00:44:21,060 --> 00:44:23,060
+Let's add to the hostage Cal.
+
+742
+00:44:26,020 --> 00:44:29,570
+I speak everybody here,
+
+743
+00:44:29,570 --> 00:44:31,900
+I want to to you as well.
+
+744
+00:44:31,900 --> 00:44:33,990
+When you come in here covering the game,
+
+745
+00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:39,620
+I know you don't give a fuck about no max
+that they somehow give a fuck about you.
+
+746
+00:44:39,950 --> 00:44:42,080
+Nothing I know.
+
+747
+00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,670
+Nothing, you know?
+
+748
+00:44:44,670 --> 00:44:46,880
+And I'm gonna to leave you.
+
+749
+00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,550
+It seems to me that you are
+
+750
+00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,220
+saying to me that you,
+you are an artist at pretty rare occasion.
+
+751
+00:44:55,050 --> 00:44:57,510
+I bear witness
+to your evil deeds, Mr. Art.
+
+752
+00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:59,970
+Now I repeat,
+
+753
+00:44:59,970 --> 00:45:03,390
+as I told you yesterday,
+we are being lenient with you.
+
+754
+00:45:04,350 --> 00:45:05,940
+We are negotiating.
+
+755
+00:45:05,940 --> 00:45:08,400
+We are talking. We shouldn't be.
+
+756
+00:45:08,900 --> 00:45:10,530
+We should be demanding.
+
+757
+00:45:10,530 --> 00:45:11,530
+So why?
+
+758
+00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:15,200
+Because we have 35 lives, not hostages.
+
+759
+00:45:15,860 --> 00:45:16,870
+And I repeat Mr.
+
+760
+00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:20,950
+Oswald, a moment's
+hesitation would cause you delay.
+
+761
+00:45:21,330 --> 00:45:23,830
+The meeting in the yard got very tense
+
+762
+00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:28,880
+because Oswald would talk to you
+from one side of the mouth.
+
+763
+00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:31,550
+And then when he left the yard
+and go outside,
+
+764
+00:45:31,550 --> 00:45:33,970
+he talks from the other side of the mouth
+
+765
+00:45:33,970 --> 00:45:37,050
+of the inmates made any demands
+that, you know, there are all kinds
+
+766
+00:45:37,050 --> 00:45:40,760
+of demands, you know, for the change
+of change in the whole world.
+
+767
+00:45:40,890 --> 00:45:44,560
+But what he forgot
+was that he was being seen on TV.
+
+768
+00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,440
+Come on, how could you do that?
+
+769
+00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,020
+We watch you
+
+770
+00:45:50,020 --> 00:45:54,700
+and you stated it yesterday on the news
+media, in a huff, in a panic, you said.
+
+771
+00:45:54,820 --> 00:45:56,410
+Well, I don't know what they want.
+
+772
+00:45:56,410 --> 00:45:58,530
+They want the world and what you like.
+
+773
+00:45:58,530 --> 00:45:59,740
+You walk away from reporters.
+
+774
+00:45:59,740 --> 00:46:01,830
+Would you reply that the sidewalk?
+
+775
+00:46:01,830 --> 00:46:04,160
+Yes, I did say that.
+
+776
+00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:05,580
+Let him finish.
+
+777
+00:46:05,580 --> 00:46:06,620
+I don't say that.
+
+778
+00:46:06,620 --> 00:46:09,210
+Can't bullshit a bullshitter.
+
+779
+00:46:09,210 --> 00:46:10,630
+You can't do that.
+
+780
+00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,090
+The first time he came in, I'm going to do
+
+781
+00:46:13,090 --> 00:46:15,220
+this, a b, c, d e f g
+
+782
+00:46:16,340 --> 00:46:18,760
+and people said, All right,
+going back to business, get it done,
+
+783
+00:46:19,180 --> 00:46:21,510
+came back in and started talking
+and you know,
+
+784
+00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:26,100
+it was going around about hearing around
+about then this scenario.
+
+785
+00:46:26,140 --> 00:46:28,190
+Not that the hostages go.
+
+786
+00:46:28,690 --> 00:46:30,980
+But you be hostage,
+
+787
+00:46:31,570 --> 00:46:33,020
+whatever, you know, power
+
+788
+00:46:33,980 --> 00:46:34,780
+and water.
+
+789
+00:46:34,780 --> 00:46:35,740
+We haven't got that.
+
+790
+00:46:35,740 --> 00:46:38,860
+We're going to get Mr. Harper for himself.
+
+791
+00:46:39,070 --> 00:46:40,370
+So we got to.
+
+792
+00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:45,330
+We're not letting him out of here
+and keeping him in Austin.
+
+793
+00:46:46,330 --> 00:46:47,960
+We all we shut that down.
+
+794
+00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:49,750
+We're not going to be like them.
+
+795
+00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:50,920
+We're not going to break our word.
+
+796
+00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,920
+And it says, well, inmates
+would be more honorable than them.
+
+797
+00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,800
+Yes, we were because we gave him my word
+nothing would happen to him.
+
+798
+00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:07,850
+Everybody starts
+
+799
+00:47:07,850 --> 00:47:10,440
+screaming at him, go, let him go.
+
+800
+00:47:12,110 --> 00:47:12,360
+Don't.
+
+801
+00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:18,900
+He got out of Dodge.
+
+802
+00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:21,240
+He never came back.
+
+803
+00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:26,200
+In New York State,
+
+804
+00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:30,580
+some 500 inmates of the Attica maximum
+security prison are still in revolt.
+
+805
+00:47:30,830 --> 00:47:34,000
+Authorities tried unsuccessfully
+to reach a settlement with the prisoners
+
+806
+00:47:34,290 --> 00:47:38,300
+over demands for reforms and to obtain
+release of more than 30 hostages.
+
+807
+00:47:38,670 --> 00:47:42,340
+We have a report on what's been happening
+at Attica from ABC's John Johnson.
+
+808
+00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,390
+Fires were still burning at Attica
+State Prison,
+
+809
+00:47:45,810 --> 00:47:48,680
+despite a small army of police and state
+troopers.
+
+810
+00:47:48,850 --> 00:47:51,480
+The prisoners continue to call the shots
+at Attica.
+
+811
+00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:54,610
+Commissioner Oswald announced that
+
+812
+00:47:54,610 --> 00:47:57,570
+prison officials
+were attempting to bring to the prison
+
+813
+00:47:57,730 --> 00:48:02,530
+those people requested by the prisoners
+in areas under where the group
+
+814
+00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:05,490
+was basically people
+
+815
+00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:10,040
+whom they knew people like Tom Wicker,
+
+816
+00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,790
+who had written a column about prisoners.
+
+817
+00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:16,000
+Senator John Dunn was chairman
+
+818
+00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,590
+of the Prisons Committee and sympathetic.
+
+819
+00:48:19,210 --> 00:48:21,170
+He was asked to come.
+
+820
+00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:24,550
+Bill Kunstler, a lawyer for the Chicago
+
+821
+00:48:24,550 --> 00:48:27,140
+seven, asked him to come in
+
+822
+00:48:27,890 --> 00:48:32,350
+and Clarence Jones,
+publisher of the Amsterdam News.
+
+823
+00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:38,020
+Have a driver was
+
+824
+00:48:38,020 --> 00:48:41,490
+driving me up,
+the ampersand is the driver, says Boss,
+
+825
+00:48:41,860 --> 00:48:43,990
+they're calling your name on the radio,
+so what you mean?
+
+826
+00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:47,200
+Called Rockefeller,
+
+827
+00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:50,000
+and lo and behold,
+the governor picked up the phone.
+
+828
+00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,080
+He said, thank you so much.
+
+829
+00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,500
+Mr Jones, we have a major situation.
+
+830
+00:48:57,210 --> 00:48:58,500
+A number of the inmates
+
+831
+00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:00,590
+have called your name.
+
+832
+00:49:02,630 --> 00:49:04,630
+We'll have a car and pick you up.
+
+833
+00:49:04,630 --> 00:49:07,010
+And taking him to a private airport.
+
+834
+00:49:08,970 --> 00:49:10,100
+We're a state private
+
+835
+00:49:10,100 --> 00:49:12,270
+plane is waiting for you.
+
+836
+00:49:13,980 --> 00:49:16,020
+And there are more.
+
+837
+00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:18,900
+Atika, you be part of the.
+
+838
+00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:21,990
+Observers committee.
+
+839
+00:49:23,570 --> 00:49:26,450
+My wife and I were off on vacation
+at the time
+
+840
+00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:27,870
+and we got a call
+
+841
+00:49:27,870 --> 00:49:31,790
+that they had asked me to come there,
+and I felt that with my prior experience
+
+842
+00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:35,670
+and my responsibilities as a chairman
+of the prison committee ought to be there.
+
+843
+00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,750
+I was optimistic.
+
+844
+00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:40,550
+I thought.
+
+845
+00:49:41,090 --> 00:49:42,340
+Give it a shot.
+
+846
+00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:45,760
+For the rebel prisoners of Attica,
+the encouraging appearance,
+
+847
+00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:47,680
+the people, they consider friends.
+
+848
+00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,220
+A 30 man mediation committee,
+including a congressman for newsmen
+
+849
+00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,230
+and most importantly, lawyer
+William Kunstler.
+
+850
+00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,900
+Have you heard anything from Governor
+Rockefeller's office?
+
+851
+00:49:56,900 --> 00:50:00,110
+I mean, has he put any time
+limit on these negotiations?
+
+852
+00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,400
+No, but I understand that
+there is no present
+
+853
+00:50:03,650 --> 00:50:07,030
+plan to use force in this prison,
+and I hope that continues.
+
+854
+00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:10,910
+I just hope that they realize
+that this is a unique situation
+
+855
+00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:15,000
+and that it may take time
+and that if everyone has a good faith,
+
+856
+00:50:15,250 --> 00:50:17,080
+something will work out.
+
+857
+00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:21,630
+It was scary, the tension was tremendous.
+
+858
+00:50:21,630 --> 00:50:25,470
+Eager to cut the air with a knife,
+it was terrifying.
+
+859
+00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,890
+I remember going into the yard
+and saying to Mel, Where was I?
+
+860
+00:50:29,090 --> 00:50:30,050
+Do you have a cigaret?
+
+861
+00:50:30,050 --> 00:50:30,470
+And he said,
+
+862
+00:50:30,470 --> 00:50:33,770
+You have one on you, one in your hand,
+one in your mouth and one in your.
+
+863
+00:50:35,100 --> 00:50:36,600
+I was scared.
+
+864
+00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,770
+When you see a tower
+with people with rifles,
+
+865
+00:50:41,150 --> 00:50:43,020
+I kept thinking
+
+866
+00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:45,990
+we should stay close to Tom Wicker
+and Herman Badillo
+
+867
+00:50:45,990 --> 00:50:48,530
+because they would be the least likely
+to be shot.
+
+868
+00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,620
+Frank Big Black
+
+869
+00:50:52,620 --> 00:50:56,540
+Smith was the overall security leader.
+
+870
+00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:59,670
+He took that job on himself already.
+
+871
+00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:02,000
+He was the guy.
+
+872
+00:51:02,340 --> 00:51:04,170
+Here's the big man.
+
+873
+00:51:04,250 --> 00:51:06,840
+I mean, this is big.
+
+874
+00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:08,680
+That was responsible to make sure
+
+875
+00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,680
+that the observers that came in.
+
+876
+00:51:13,260 --> 00:51:15,890
+They the same way
+they can't manage the same way
+
+877
+00:51:15,890 --> 00:51:19,480
+they did
+that, you know, no harm come to them.
+
+878
+00:51:19,940 --> 00:51:23,060
+He said, Well,
+we've got to have a security force.
+
+879
+00:51:23,770 --> 00:51:26,610
+So we were looking for volunteers.
+
+880
+00:51:26,610 --> 00:51:27,570
+You, you.
+
+881
+00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:30,610
+Along the way for her,
+
+882
+00:51:30,610 --> 00:51:35,330
+can't be all black as we need
+black guys, white guys and Puerto Ricans.
+
+883
+00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:41,420
+We would line up and create a corridor,
+
+884
+00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:45,840
+and they would walk down the middle
+of the corridor with us being a barrier
+
+885
+00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:49,630
+between general population
+and the negotiators.
+
+886
+00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:53,680
+So we would just
+stand shoulder to shoulder and give them
+
+887
+00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,010
+that safe space to walk through.
+
+888
+00:52:00,310 --> 00:52:01,730
+We begin to talk with them
+
+889
+00:52:01,730 --> 00:52:06,690
+about what they wanted,
+and they had their their
+
+890
+00:52:06,780 --> 00:52:10,700
+their list of things that they wanted
+already written.
+
+891
+00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,950
+You know, everybody wanted a voice.
+
+892
+00:52:13,950 --> 00:52:14,660
+Good, bad.
+
+893
+00:52:14,660 --> 00:52:19,000
+And it worked out,
+so nothing went easy, but it went.
+
+894
+00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:24,920
+We got to a point where we had
+what we thought might be possible.
+
+895
+00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:27,670
+Their demands were, you know,
+
+896
+00:52:28,130 --> 00:52:31,260
+reasonable demands
+about living conditions.
+
+897
+00:52:31,630 --> 00:52:34,090
+They wanted medical care.
+
+898
+00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:38,430
+Decent food,
+
+899
+00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,850
+fair disciplinary hearings.
+
+900
+00:52:45,020 --> 00:52:46,440
+Basically,
+
+901
+00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:50,400
+they wanted to be treated
+like human beings,
+
+902
+00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,820
+prisoners late last night met
+with a civilian committee
+
+903
+00:52:54,820 --> 00:52:58,160
+in an attempt to clarify demands
+ranging from better prison
+
+904
+00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,910
+life conditions
+to more religious and political freedom.
+
+905
+00:53:01,540 --> 00:53:03,920
+I injected into the two demands
+
+906
+00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:08,170
+for some people
+to go to non imperialistic country.
+
+907
+00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:10,880
+You have to be frightened flight out.
+
+908
+00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:12,920
+We thought Cuba
+was going to come and get us.
+
+909
+00:53:14,180 --> 00:53:17,800
+You ship
+troops to Vietnam to stop the men.
+
+910
+00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,810
+Go to all these five countries
+to press the button.
+
+911
+00:53:21,020 --> 00:53:23,850
+You can bet why these helicopters
+in air and ship
+
+912
+00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:26,230
+on this country.
+
+913
+00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,440
+We didn't seeing people snatch airplanes
+
+914
+00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,940
+and all like dead and go to Cuba
+and Algiers and all other places.
+
+915
+00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:34,950
+Why not get out of jail?
+
+916
+00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:38,120
+An Air France
+jet was hijacked by Palestinian girls.
+
+917
+00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,830
+17 year old girl hijacked a twb jetliner
+
+918
+00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,580
+I have for years
+and on a 25 to life sentence.
+
+919
+00:53:44,580 --> 00:53:46,960
+Why not get out of jail?
+
+920
+00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,040
+Why not?
+
+921
+00:53:49,290 --> 00:53:50,590
+We all do that.
+
+922
+00:53:50,590 --> 00:53:52,010
+I wasn't going to happen.
+
+923
+00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:54,260
+We weren't going to go to
+
+924
+00:53:54,340 --> 00:53:55,840
+Algeria on the plane.
+
+925
+00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,680
+I knew that everybody
+in the back of their mind knew that.
+
+926
+00:53:59,850 --> 00:54:01,010
+But we need it, obviously.
+
+927
+00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:04,480
+We want the federal
+
+928
+00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,560
+judiciary to guarantee complete amnesty
+to each and every one of us
+
+929
+00:54:08,770 --> 00:54:13,940
+has taken part in the struggle
+here at Attica to ensure that this amnesty
+
+930
+00:54:13,940 --> 00:54:19,120
+will not be just a groping in the win, but
+a reality for each and every one of us.
+
+931
+00:54:20,030 --> 00:54:23,620
+They were not looking to be relieved
+of the prison sentences
+
+932
+00:54:23,620 --> 00:54:27,080
+to which they have been sent by the courts
+after being convicted.
+
+933
+00:54:27,420 --> 00:54:30,500
+They were looking to be freed from any
+
+934
+00:54:30,500 --> 00:54:32,880
+prosecution or any penalties
+
+935
+00:54:33,300 --> 00:54:35,340
+for their engaging in the riot.
+
+936
+00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:41,260
+Besides the normal beatings
+and everything else
+
+937
+00:54:41,300 --> 00:54:45,350
+they're going to do to us, which is,
+you know, automatic.
+
+938
+00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:49,940
+We knew that they could also take us
+and bring us to court and,
+
+939
+00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,690
+you know, and turn us into the monster
+inmates who took over the prison.
+
+940
+00:54:56,530 --> 00:54:59,110
+We are not advocating violence.
+
+941
+00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,200
+We all want to live.
+
+942
+00:55:04,990 --> 00:55:07,290
+All right.
+
+943
+00:55:07,290 --> 00:55:09,290
+If you get one on dog.
+
+944
+00:55:11,500 --> 00:55:14,420
+You're treating them
+better than we have been treated
+
+945
+00:55:15,130 --> 00:55:15,880
+the last.
+
+946
+00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,220
+They were fiercely
+
+947
+00:55:21,220 --> 00:55:25,520
+trying to convince prison authorities
+that they didn't cease
+
+948
+00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,100
+being a human
+being merely by the fact that they were
+
+949
+00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:32,400
+incarcerated because they had broken.
+
+950
+00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,860
+A law society,
+and that's a profound thing.
+
+951
+00:55:37,780 --> 00:55:40,570
+I am somebody.
+
+952
+00:55:40,570 --> 00:55:42,700
+I'm not a thing.
+
+953
+00:55:42,990 --> 00:55:46,290
+You can't treat me like a dog.
+
+954
+00:55:46,290 --> 00:55:48,580
+I may be a prisoner, but I have dignity.
+
+955
+00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,040
+And that's what they insisted.
+
+956
+00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:55,250
+I'm getting the.
+
+957
+00:55:56,380 --> 00:55:59,420
+Power structure of Africa to recognize.
+
+958
+00:56:00,590 --> 00:56:03,550
+That they continue to be.
+
+959
+00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:04,930
+Somebody.
+
+960
+00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:07,140
+All of you have seen
+
+961
+00:56:07,220 --> 00:56:10,390
+the observers,
+they all were listening to us.
+
+962
+00:56:10,810 --> 00:56:13,600
+I feel that they were supporting us.
+
+963
+00:56:14,980 --> 00:56:15,730
+We see.
+
+964
+00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:17,900
+And that meant a lot to us.
+
+965
+00:56:19,990 --> 00:56:21,280
+This is our situation.
+
+966
+00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:23,740
+Please listen to us.
+And that's what they were doing.
+
+967
+00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:25,030
+They were listening.
+
+968
+00:56:25,030 --> 00:56:27,410
+It felt like they were somebody
+that believed in us.
+
+969
+00:56:27,540 --> 00:56:29,160
+It felt that way.
+
+970
+00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,080
+If somebody believe that you know,
+you did have some rights,
+
+971
+00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,420
+even though you were a convicted felon
+or whatever.
+
+972
+00:56:36,460 --> 00:56:37,920
+Would we able to get
+
+973
+00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,340
+a better mailing
+privileges, better medical privileges?
+
+974
+00:56:41,670 --> 00:56:47,390
+We tried to nail it down to that,
+which was realistic and possible over
+
+975
+00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:50,100
+distinguished from a plane waiting for us
+
+976
+00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,730
+outside the cellblock, flying us to Cuba.
+
+977
+00:56:54,770 --> 00:56:57,690
+That's what it was like it was
+it was realism
+
+978
+00:56:58,190 --> 00:57:01,570
+from fantasy.
+
+979
+00:57:01,780 --> 00:57:05,370
+We want to be treated as human beings,
+
+980
+00:57:05,370 --> 00:57:08,280
+we will be treated as human beings.
+
+981
+00:57:08,870 --> 00:57:11,290
+Yeah, we have come to the conclusion.
+
+982
+00:57:13,540 --> 00:57:15,120
+That's the study.
+
+983
+00:57:16,540 --> 00:57:19,920
+After much suffering.
+
+984
+00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,090
+After much consideration.
+
+985
+00:57:23,090 --> 00:57:25,890
+But if we cannot move
+
+986
+00:57:26,090 --> 00:57:27,180
+people.
+
+987
+00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:30,680
+We will at least try.
+
+988
+00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:32,980
+Today, let me.
+
+989
+00:57:36,100 --> 00:57:38,190
+That statement was sounded
+
+990
+00:57:39,650 --> 00:57:41,070
+everywhere.
+
+991
+00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:46,820
+In that yard,
+
+992
+00:57:46,820 --> 00:57:50,790
+when he said that a roar went up
+like no other.
+
+993
+00:57:51,700 --> 00:57:54,580
+This was this day, and I saw that
+
+994
+00:57:55,330 --> 00:57:58,540
+I really none of us
+were going to be observers,
+
+995
+00:57:58,540 --> 00:58:03,300
+we were going to be mediators ,
+whether we wanted to be mediators or not,
+
+996
+00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:06,010
+whether we were called up to be mediators.
+
+997
+00:58:07,010 --> 00:58:11,510
+This prison uprising had to be mediated.
+
+998
+00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:14,680
+Otherwise it was going to end in disaster.
+
+999
+00:58:16,270 --> 00:58:19,020
+If you people do not understand.
+
+1000
+00:58:20,020 --> 00:58:22,150
+If you people do not pick what?
+
+1001
+00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:25,900
+If you people can not make the commitment
+
+1002
+00:58:25,900 --> 00:58:28,360
+that we have made here.
+
+1003
+00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:31,740
+We all did.
+
+1004
+00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:32,990
+All right.
+
+1005
+00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:34,870
+We'll take you all
+
+1006
+00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,750
+to stand with us.
+
+1007
+00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,170
+Not necessarily.
+
+1008
+00:58:42,380 --> 00:58:45,210
+I know you want to
+
+1009
+00:58:45,210 --> 00:58:48,090
+hey, hey, before.
+
+1010
+00:59:12,030 --> 00:59:14,950
+Things were growing on the outside,
+
+1011
+00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:17,370
+don't take.
+
+1012
+00:59:20,210 --> 00:59:22,380
+There were more journalists.
+
+1013
+00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:25,210
+There were more police.
+
+1014
+00:59:25,210 --> 00:59:27,510
+And it was just getting bigger
+
+1015
+00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,260
+and bigger and bigger.
+
+1016
+00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:34,350
+People are coming night and day
+
+1017
+00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680
+vans with reporters and police
+
+1018
+00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:41,310
+and things are building up.
+
+1019
+00:59:42,900 --> 00:59:44,730
+Among those keeping a vigil outside
+
+1020
+00:59:44,730 --> 00:59:48,530
+the prison walls, the families
+of some of the 38 men held hostage.
+
+1021
+00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:51,700
+I was just home watching the TV.
+
+1022
+00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:54,910
+I just kept looking for my husband.
+
+1023
+00:59:55,330 --> 00:59:58,410
+Maybe he'd be killed or brutalized
+in some way
+
+1024
+00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:02,170
+because the inmates at that time
+had the power there, you know,
+
+1025
+01:00:02,790 --> 01:00:05,500
+and if they didn't like somebody
+who who knew
+
+1026
+01:00:05,500 --> 01:00:08,920
+what you were scared to death that,
+you know,
+
+1027
+01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:12,300
+they'd just kill him or something
+and they didn't get their way.
+
+1028
+01:00:14,050 --> 01:00:16,810
+Families of the 31 hostages wait for word
+
+1029
+01:00:16,810 --> 01:00:19,480
+as part of the prison remains
+in control of the inmate.
+
+1030
+01:00:26,570 --> 01:00:27,860
+They were upset.
+
+1031
+01:00:27,860 --> 01:00:29,940
+They were angry and they were scared
+
+1032
+01:00:30,570 --> 01:00:35,030
+standing out there while their loved ones
+are being held hostage
+
+1033
+01:00:36,030 --> 01:00:39,790
+and they are waiting
+for any scrap of information
+
+1034
+01:00:41,330 --> 01:00:44,830
+to hear something.
+
+1035
+01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:47,250
+And many of those families
+
+1036
+01:00:47,250 --> 01:00:50,970
+stood vigil day and night out there.
+
+1037
+01:00:52,510 --> 01:00:54,340
+A bunch of people crying,
+
+1038
+01:00:54,340 --> 01:00:57,220
+the wives and brothers and fathers
+
+1039
+01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,430
+freaking out to his panic.
+
+1040
+01:01:01,180 --> 01:01:04,850
+People are afraid to talk
+in the parking lot because they thought
+
+1041
+01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:10,280
+that any reporters or anybody, even
+they did it on the privacy
+
+1042
+01:01:10,570 --> 01:01:13,780
+because they didn't want the relatives
+targeted, singled out
+
+1043
+01:01:13,780 --> 01:01:15,780
+by the inmates.
+
+1044
+01:01:26,630 --> 01:01:28,290
+I had sympathy for them.
+
+1045
+01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:32,800
+They were elsewhere, you're going to get
+a job if you lived in that
+
+1046
+01:01:34,180 --> 01:01:36,430
+area and you had no
+
+1047
+01:01:37,180 --> 01:01:41,180
+training and no understanding
+
+1048
+01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:44,310
+of what it was like to grow up in
+
+1049
+01:01:45,390 --> 01:01:48,270
+a poor black urban area.
+
+1050
+01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,690
+You used these were aliens.
+
+1051
+01:01:52,690 --> 01:01:56,070
+These were people from a different world
+
+1052
+01:01:58,240 --> 01:02:01,410
+and your family members.
+
+1053
+01:02:01,580 --> 01:02:04,410
+Maybe you're going to get killed
+
+1054
+01:02:04,410 --> 01:02:06,330
+because of them.
+
+1055
+01:02:06,330 --> 01:02:08,670
+Sure, you were.
+
+1056
+01:02:08,670 --> 01:02:10,880
+Infuriated.
+
+1057
+01:02:12,050 --> 01:02:13,590
+All these dogs up there with
+
+1058
+01:02:13,590 --> 01:02:15,800
+all those rifles are trying to kill us.
+
+1059
+01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,510
+Well, we ain't gonna quit the inmates
+that we're giving microphones.
+
+1060
+01:02:20,510 --> 01:02:21,560
+I'm on TV.
+
+1061
+01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,810
+I mean, the very upsetting.
+
+1062
+01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:26,730
+They should have resolved it right away.
+
+1063
+01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:28,730
+It just went on too far.
+
+1064
+01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:31,440
+We all just wanted it to end.
+
+1065
+01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,320
+What I what you hear over the radio
+
+1066
+01:02:36,990 --> 01:02:40,320
+and the TV was and it's inspiring to me
+
+1067
+01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:43,870
+because it seemed to
+me that what I was hearing.
+
+1068
+01:02:44,910 --> 01:02:47,540
+I didn't think
+
+1069
+01:02:48,370 --> 01:02:50,670
+they were doing the right thing.
+
+1070
+01:02:50,670 --> 01:02:52,840
+It just seemed sort of limp to me
+
+1071
+01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:56,510
+and it was frustrating.
+
+1072
+01:02:57,300 --> 01:02:59,180
+You'd hear stuff from people.
+
+1073
+01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:03,140
+That's where it got a little scary too,
+because you could see how the inmates
+
+1074
+01:03:03,140 --> 01:03:07,310
+were considered like less than human
+kind of like animals.
+
+1075
+01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,900
+There was people saying,
+You know, don't worry about your dad,
+
+1076
+01:03:11,150 --> 01:03:14,020
+you know, they'll get theirs type thing.
+
+1077
+01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:16,990
+And so that kind of made it
+even more scary.
+
+1078
+01:03:17,030 --> 01:03:20,700
+You realize how emotionally charged
+the community is getting.
+
+1079
+01:03:21,620 --> 01:03:23,660
+The tensions got worse and worse. Worse.
+
+1080
+01:03:23,660 --> 01:03:25,750
+Emotions got worse and worse and worse.
+
+1081
+01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,710
+Sadly,
+
+1082
+01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:42,180
+I think that the hope was stronger
+than any doubt because after three days
+
+1083
+01:03:42,430 --> 01:03:45,390
+Thursday, Friday and Saturday.
+
+1084
+01:03:45,970 --> 01:03:47,520
+They had came in
+
+1085
+01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,980
+we had like 30
+demands and most of them what
+
+1086
+01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,940
+possible,
+
+1087
+01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:56,530
+and we will still be doing about it.
+
+1088
+01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:59,860
+I've never seen anything like this.
+
+1089
+01:03:59,860 --> 01:04:02,160
+The people in here are treated like dogs.
+
+1090
+01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:04,240
+Not only the Black Lives Matter, white.
+
+1091
+01:04:04,950 --> 01:04:06,740
+And we're going to get what we planned.
+
+1092
+01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:08,790
+Are we going to die? Try.
+
+1093
+01:04:08,790 --> 01:04:12,370
+But we thought that whatever happened,
+
+1094
+01:04:12,370 --> 01:04:15,710
+we may maybe really walk away
+with some improvement
+
+1095
+01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:17,170
+in our lives.
+
+1096
+01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:21,760
+Point was, is that whatever happened,
+
+1097
+01:04:22,300 --> 01:04:24,890
+it just had to make a difference.
+
+1098
+01:04:25,180 --> 01:04:26,970
+Change had to happen.
+
+1099
+01:04:26,970 --> 01:04:29,020
+You had to embrace who.
+
+1100
+01:04:34,020 --> 01:04:34,690
+There's a report
+
+1101
+01:04:34,690 --> 01:04:37,730
+that prison officials
+have yielded to most of the demands
+
+1102
+01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:40,860
+by the rebelling inmates
+of the Attica state prison in New York,
+
+1103
+01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:44,490
+where more than 30 persons
+have been held hostage for three days.
+
+1104
+01:04:45,740 --> 01:04:48,490
+As you know, during this ordeal.
+
+1105
+01:04:48,490 --> 01:04:51,000
+I have personally met with inmates
+
+1106
+01:04:51,460 --> 01:04:54,830
+on several occasions
+in areas under their control,
+
+1107
+01:04:55,670 --> 01:04:58,340
+and they have demonstrated my commitment
+
+1108
+01:04:58,340 --> 01:05:00,760
+to deal with the issues they have raised
+
+1109
+01:05:01,510 --> 01:05:04,050
+by accepting 28
+
+1110
+01:05:04,050 --> 01:05:06,930
+of the three major inmate proposals.
+
+1111
+01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,850
+The second is like
+any time of what's going to happen now.
+
+1112
+01:05:10,520 --> 01:05:12,810
+Well, we hope negotiations will
+
+1113
+01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:16,310
+start this afternoon and continue
+until they reach a solution.
+
+1114
+01:05:16,650 --> 01:05:19,650
+Huey Newton or Bobby Seale,
+are they coming?
+
+1115
+01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:20,190
+They were asked.
+
+1116
+01:05:20,190 --> 01:05:23,150
+Or we hope
+we understood that they were en route.
+
+1117
+01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:23,860
+We had.
+
+1118
+01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:27,530
+Kind of settled in on the demands
+
+1119
+01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:30,950
+we had negotiated with Oswald
+
+1120
+01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:33,960
+for his commitment to 28 of them.
+
+1121
+01:05:35,370 --> 01:05:39,880
+The commissioner and the whole point of
+Bobby SEALs coming there would be for him
+
+1122
+01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,420
+to bless and support and urge the inmates
+
+1123
+01:05:43,420 --> 01:05:45,130
+to accept them.
+
+1124
+01:05:50,310 --> 01:05:50,600
+Bobby
+
+1125
+01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:53,600
+Seale was our hero
+because he was speaking out
+
+1126
+01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,810
+about the brutality
+that was happening in the prison system.
+
+1127
+01:05:56,940 --> 01:05:59,730
+He was doing what we were trying to leave.
+
+1128
+01:05:59,730 --> 01:06:00,980
+He was a panther.
+
+1129
+01:06:00,980 --> 01:06:02,820
+The second in command.
+
+1130
+01:06:02,820 --> 01:06:05,780
+I really thought it would help us out
+of everything
+
+1131
+01:06:05,820 --> 01:06:08,240
+we ever demand.
+
+1132
+01:06:10,660 --> 01:06:12,750
+Bobby didn't stay long.
+
+1133
+01:06:12,750 --> 01:06:17,540
+Bobby to stay long, came up to it and go
+shake table was made a little speech.
+
+1134
+01:06:17,710 --> 01:06:19,750
+You walk around your.
+
+1135
+01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,630
+Well, we won't read about the jail.
+
+1136
+01:06:23,630 --> 01:06:26,050
+A lot of times we're going back in time.
+
+1137
+01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:28,340
+It was quite a letdown.
+
+1138
+01:06:28,340 --> 01:06:32,390
+There is no remember me
+at all, about three minutes.
+
+1139
+01:06:35,350 --> 01:06:37,100
+At that point,
+
+1140
+01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:40,440
+everybody's just sitting around
+waiting for something to happen.
+
+1141
+01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:47,780
+But then Billy Quinn died.
+
+1142
+01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,700
+And that transformed everything
+
+1143
+01:06:51,700 --> 01:06:54,660
+the state prison in Attica,
+New York, is at the crisis point.
+
+1144
+01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:58,710
+The death of one of the guards as harden
+the position of prison officials
+
+1145
+01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:01,710
+and there are
+you don't get amnesty for a murder.
+
+1146
+01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:04,460
+I immediately knew.
+
+1147
+01:07:07,470 --> 01:07:08,840
+That the
+
+1148
+01:07:10,010 --> 01:07:11,510
+process of negotiations
+
+1149
+01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:13,970
+just became far more difficult.
+
+1150
+01:07:15,060 --> 01:07:16,680
+I knew that was.
+
+1151
+01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,730
+I was the worst
+possible thing that could happen.
+
+1152
+01:07:20,730 --> 01:07:23,440
+How could they peacefully negotiate?
+
+1153
+01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,700
+With inmates
+who they held responsible for the death
+
+1154
+01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:29,660
+of a guard.
+
+1155
+01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:36,830
+Prior to his passing on.
+
+1156
+01:07:37,120 --> 01:07:40,210
+There was a hope and even an expectation
+
+1157
+01:07:41,170 --> 01:07:43,710
+because people were listening.
+
+1158
+01:07:43,710 --> 01:07:46,420
+People were coming to understand
+what we had been living through
+
+1159
+01:07:48,090 --> 01:07:50,340
+and suffering as prisoners there.
+
+1160
+01:07:52,300 --> 01:07:54,350
+We know that it was a new ball
+
+1161
+01:07:54,350 --> 01:07:57,430
+game was depression.
+
+1162
+01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:58,810
+And fear.
+
+1163
+01:07:59,810 --> 01:08:02,770
+And, you know, anxiety and yeah,
+
+1164
+01:08:04,230 --> 01:08:05,940
+everything you can imagine.
+
+1165
+01:08:05,940 --> 01:08:08,990
+We had to drop a lot of issues
+
+1166
+01:08:08,990 --> 01:08:11,030
+and focus on amnesty
+
+1167
+01:08:11,030 --> 01:08:13,740
+as one as the main issue
+
+1168
+01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:16,910
+because we want to be charged
+
+1169
+01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:19,250
+with murder.
+
+1170
+01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:20,660
+We said.
+
+1171
+01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,540
+As a group.
+
+1172
+01:08:24,630 --> 01:08:26,000
+That we was going
+
+1173
+01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,170
+to stay in solidarity with anyone.
+
+1174
+01:08:30,550 --> 01:08:32,630
+They could not give amnesty to everybody.
+
+1175
+01:08:32,970 --> 01:08:36,140
+Then was not going to leave
+anyone in the clutch in
+
+1176
+01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:39,980
+to take a towing back on the bus
+or speak to take this.
+
+1177
+01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:45,190
+We acted together
+that we understood that this was us,
+
+1178
+01:08:46,020 --> 01:08:48,780
+that if we didn't stand together now,
+we never would.
+
+1179
+01:08:48,780 --> 01:08:49,820
+And it would.
+
+1180
+01:08:49,820 --> 01:08:52,910
+We would live
+like dogs for the rest of our lives.
+
+1181
+01:08:55,490 --> 01:08:57,580
+We understood that.
+
+1182
+01:08:57,580 --> 01:09:02,460
+Did I wish that we could somehow
+back away, but not without amnesty?
+
+1183
+01:09:02,500 --> 01:09:04,500
+How do the inmates feel
+about the current situation?
+
+1184
+01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,210
+I will.
+
+1185
+01:09:06,210 --> 01:09:08,880
+A group of us were in with the inmates.
+
+1186
+01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,670
+We met with them.
+
+1187
+01:09:10,670 --> 01:09:13,220
+We had two and a half hours.
+
+1188
+01:09:13,220 --> 01:09:14,590
+Some of the people are here,
+
+1189
+01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:18,100
+but we really have nothing to say about
+it, except they are firm in their demands.
+
+1190
+01:09:18,430 --> 01:09:19,680
+And that's it.
+
+1191
+01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,270
+In other words,
+
+1192
+01:09:20,270 --> 01:09:23,390
+they're not going to let the hostages
+go until they're granted total amnesty.
+
+1193
+01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:26,650
+That was their last position.
+
+1194
+01:09:31,110 --> 01:09:33,820
+The flag at half staff
+for the injured guard who had died
+
+1195
+01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:35,910
+the night before
+set the mood this morning,
+
+1196
+01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,910
+it was clear that the troubles of this
+troubled prison had grown worse.
+
+1197
+01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:42,120
+That Sunday,
+you had that fall that came over
+
+1198
+01:09:42,700 --> 01:09:44,750
+and it was a certain chill in the air.
+
+1199
+01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:47,750
+Something didn't feel right.
+
+1200
+01:09:47,750 --> 01:09:49,710
+It didn't feel right.
+
+1201
+01:09:49,710 --> 01:09:52,550
+There are strong indications tonight
+that police will be sent
+
+1202
+01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:56,140
+into the cellblock in an attempt
+to rescue the rest of the hostages
+
+1203
+01:09:56,140 --> 01:09:57,260
+by force.
+
+1204
+01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,480
+Water was cut off.
+
+1205
+01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,810
+Food was getting scarce.
+
+1206
+01:10:05,810 --> 01:10:09,060
+Patients were getting shot
+and people were totally
+
+1207
+01:10:10,190 --> 01:10:12,280
+wondering what is going to be the outcome
+
+1208
+01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:15,030
+of the situation.
+
+1209
+01:10:22,370 --> 01:10:24,960
+There was enormous pressure,
+and I witnessed
+
+1210
+01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,710
+that as I took a breather
+and went out to the public space
+
+1211
+01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,300
+just outside the prison,
+where a lot of correction
+
+1212
+01:10:34,300 --> 01:10:37,720
+officers, their families, troopers
+and other officials
+
+1213
+01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:39,640
+were gathered together.
+
+1214
+01:10:40,930 --> 01:10:43,470
+I mean,
+the news was completely about that.
+
+1215
+01:10:43,770 --> 01:10:46,640
+You know that the state troopers
+and everybody were poised
+
+1216
+01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,560
+on the top looking and
+
+1217
+01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,480
+it was all about these rumors
+
+1218
+01:10:52,650 --> 01:10:56,950
+that the prisoners were castrating
+
+1219
+01:10:56,950 --> 01:11:01,450
+the hostages,
+that they were torturing them.
+
+1220
+01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:04,540
+And it's going to end in bloodshed.
+
+1221
+01:11:04,540 --> 01:11:08,960
+And that was the storyline
+that was terrifying, people.
+
+1222
+01:11:09,670 --> 01:11:11,170
+Could you turn around
+this way to the camera?
+
+1223
+01:11:11,170 --> 01:11:13,710
+I think I did a few interviews
+
+1224
+01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:16,170
+and the people were
+
+1225
+01:11:16,170 --> 01:11:20,760
+made it very clear
+that these are bad people in there and
+
+1226
+01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:23,430
+they shouldn't be doing this.
+
+1227
+01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:25,600
+You know, they should be taken care of.
+
+1228
+01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:26,850
+You know what I mean?
+
+1229
+01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:28,770
+And hang them and
+
+1230
+01:11:28,810 --> 01:11:29,940
+crazy stuff.
+
+1231
+01:11:29,940 --> 01:11:32,310
+I mean, they're just really crazy.
+
+1232
+01:11:32,690 --> 01:11:35,190
+It was a very hostile environment.
+
+1233
+01:11:35,230 --> 01:11:36,400
+And I just
+
+1234
+01:11:36,820 --> 01:11:39,110
+don't I
+
+1235
+01:11:40,530 --> 01:11:42,990
+don't think that Jaime,
+I'll stick up your hand.
+
+1236
+01:11:43,870 --> 01:11:47,080
+I'm a father of eight children
+and my boy is the oldest,
+
+1237
+01:11:47,450 --> 01:11:50,580
+and I wouldn't
+want to see any one of them die.
+
+1238
+01:11:50,580 --> 01:11:52,580
+Whatever he is going to die,
+
+1239
+01:11:52,580 --> 01:11:55,840
+I want that whole damn thing
+bound right to hell. OK.
+
+1240
+01:11:57,010 --> 01:12:00,510
+And while we're talking went
+on, the state police
+
+1241
+01:12:00,510 --> 01:12:04,050
+kept reinforcing
+at least 500 men in and out of the wall.
+
+1242
+01:12:04,470 --> 01:12:08,100
+No indication that any of this force
+will be used at the police already.
+
+1243
+01:12:09,390 --> 01:12:09,940
+Well, any
+
+1244
+01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:15,230
+time you went in and out of the prison,
+there was an army
+
+1245
+01:12:15,690 --> 01:12:21,780
+and they were armed
+with every conceivable type of weapon .
+
+1246
+01:12:21,780 --> 01:12:25,120
+And it really looked like
+
+1247
+01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:28,370
+they wanted to use those weapons.
+
+1248
+01:12:28,410 --> 01:12:31,540
+You had the sense of their anger
+
+1249
+01:12:31,540 --> 01:12:33,580
+and they've been held back and
+
+1250
+01:12:37,670 --> 01:12:39,090
+they wanted to move.
+
+1251
+01:12:39,090 --> 01:12:42,760
+They wanted to to to attack.
+
+1252
+01:12:47,220 --> 01:12:49,890
+Yeah, they were very impatient,
+
+1253
+01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:51,440
+very unhappy.
+
+1254
+01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:56,940
+They were all thrown into a situation
+in which they are not prepared for
+
+1255
+01:12:57,440 --> 01:13:01,450
+and about which
+they had basically an animosity.
+
+1256
+01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:06,160
+And I wish to
+
+1257
+01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:09,040
+would any of the men that a lot us off
+the roof?
+
+1258
+01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:14,210
+Adobe that group is out of here because
+if you get these shaky guy shooting off
+
+1259
+01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:18,340
+or getting up, and all of a sudden
+somebody is going to get excited
+
+1260
+01:13:18,750 --> 01:13:21,720
+and then we're all going to say now,
+this is not a joke.
+
+1261
+01:13:22,420 --> 01:13:23,130
+This is not
+
+1262
+01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:26,760
+some kind of a little tea party
+we've got here.
+
+1263
+01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:29,350
+And I just hope that the commissioner
+
+1264
+01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:32,480
+and the other people in the committee
+that they've gathered together
+
+1265
+01:13:34,190 --> 01:13:36,980
+can come up with a solution
+
+1266
+01:13:36,980 --> 01:13:39,860
+to solve these people's problems
+
+1267
+01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:40,820
+and ours.
+
+1268
+01:13:41,070 --> 01:13:42,690
+Thank you very much.
+
+1269
+01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:49,700
+Late Sunday afternoon,
+
+1270
+01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:53,290
+Commissioner Oswald
+and the officials were prepared
+
+1271
+01:13:53,620 --> 01:13:57,040
+and intended to retaking.
+
+1272
+01:13:57,670 --> 01:14:00,340
+But I pressed Israel to agree
+
+1273
+01:14:01,130 --> 01:14:03,590
+to give them until 7:00 on Monday
+
+1274
+01:14:03,590 --> 01:14:05,970
+morning, by Sunday morning,
+everything else had failed.
+
+1275
+01:14:07,390 --> 01:14:12,640
+And so the the the final shot
+
+1276
+01:14:13,060 --> 01:14:15,850
+was going to be
+to try to get the Roc-A-Fella.
+
+1277
+01:14:17,060 --> 01:14:21,230
+And there was there was a committee
+of people put together to do that.
+
+1278
+01:14:21,940 --> 01:14:22,610
+Good morning.
+
+1279
+01:14:24,150 --> 01:14:26,780
+We wanted four friends of the governor
+
+1280
+01:14:27,030 --> 01:14:29,450
+to call him and please as your friend.
+
+1281
+01:14:29,950 --> 01:14:33,950
+Let me ask you to come to Attica,
+not to meet with the prisoners,
+
+1282
+01:14:33,950 --> 01:14:37,960
+but to come and lay your hand
+on approving these measures,
+
+1283
+01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,460
+Sergeant Cunningham.
+
+1284
+01:14:40,460 --> 01:14:42,550
+Now, would you give us a message
+
+1285
+01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,130
+for Governor Nelson Rockefeller?
+
+1286
+01:14:46,340 --> 01:14:47,590
+I certainly would.
+
+1287
+01:14:47,590 --> 01:14:51,100
+one of the recommendations is
+and he said, No, I'm dead.
+
+1288
+01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,310
+I and some of my fellow members
+of the Service Committee felt
+
+1289
+01:14:55,310 --> 01:15:00,440
+very strongly that if Governor Rockefeller
+were to come to and identify
+
+1290
+01:15:00,650 --> 01:15:04,400
+with finding a solution,
+it might have broken the logjam.
+
+1291
+01:15:05,490 --> 01:15:09,200
+So I placed the call, the governor
+Rockefeller, somewhere around 3:00.
+
+1292
+01:15:09,530 --> 01:15:13,030
+Governor, what about your
+personal feelings right now?
+
+1293
+01:15:13,330 --> 01:15:15,790
+On one level, it was a Hail Mary.
+
+1294
+01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:18,790
+On the other level
+it was more than a Hail Mary.
+
+1295
+01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:21,130
+These were prominent people.
+
+1296
+01:15:23,090 --> 01:15:27,970
+People
+that you would think Rockefeller respected
+
+1297
+01:15:28,430 --> 01:15:33,050
+making a sincere pitch come up here,
+you don't have to go in.
+
+1298
+01:15:33,510 --> 01:15:37,270
+You don't have to agree to anything
+your presence will have mean.
+
+1299
+01:15:38,190 --> 01:15:41,310
+Maybe if he came, that would be an opening
+
+1300
+01:15:41,310 --> 01:15:45,030
+that would have allowed us to negotiate.
+
+1301
+01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:45,690
+Maybe.
+
+1302
+01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:47,900
+Some other
+
+1303
+01:15:47,900 --> 01:15:52,410
+negotiators could be brought in
+who would help the negotiation,
+
+1304
+01:15:52,410 --> 01:15:55,080
+maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe.
+
+1305
+01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,960
+But no known donor or man.
+
+1306
+01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:01,040
+Death, death, death, death.
+
+1307
+01:16:01,790 --> 01:16:05,130
+Prisoners had been demanding from the very
+beginning that I come into the yard,
+
+1308
+01:16:05,710 --> 01:16:09,090
+and I frankly felt
+that the idea of governors
+
+1309
+01:16:10,090 --> 01:16:14,010
+any time there was an uprising
+or any time there was a prisoner
+
+1310
+01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:18,640
+taken on a prisoner, but a hostage
+taking being involved in the negotiation,
+
+1311
+01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,140
+the next thing would be, we don't want
+the governor, we want the president,
+
+1312
+01:16:21,850 --> 01:16:24,900
+and we get to a situation
+with an impossible one for this country.
+
+1313
+01:16:24,980 --> 01:16:28,190
+By the time they spoke to him,
+he had made up his mind.
+
+1314
+01:16:29,190 --> 01:16:31,990
+He listened carefully,
+he listened politely.
+
+1315
+01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:35,120
+But by then, he had made up his mind.
+
+1316
+01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,750
+We didn't understand the background of us
+
+1317
+01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:44,960
+having consulted on an ongoing basis
+during those days with the White House,
+
+1318
+01:16:45,630 --> 01:16:49,170
+the administration in Washington
+encouraged Rockey
+
+1319
+01:16:49,170 --> 01:16:51,590
+to take a strong hard line position,
+
+1320
+01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:54,550
+which was unfortunate.
+
+1321
+01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:58,220
+It was all a part of President Nixon's
+law and order agenda.
+
+1322
+01:16:58,810 --> 01:17:01,480
+They were putting the pressure
+yesterday on me all day
+
+1323
+01:17:01,480 --> 01:17:05,270
+to go up there and it up
+because everything else had failed.
+
+1324
+01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:06,480
+And did you go?
+
+1325
+01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:08,530
+Of course not. Of course not.
+
+1326
+01:17:08,530 --> 01:17:09,480
+But I had the time.
+
+1327
+01:17:09,480 --> 01:17:11,860
+Rockefeller wasn't calling the shots.
+
+1328
+01:17:12,900 --> 01:17:14,950
+Because he was on the phone.
+
+1329
+01:17:16,410 --> 01:17:19,290
+With Richard Nixon.
+
+1330
+01:17:20,750 --> 01:17:24,290
+Rockefeller wanted to be president.
+
+1331
+01:17:24,290 --> 01:17:26,130
+But the word on him was that
+
+1332
+01:17:26,130 --> 01:17:28,300
+he was too soft on crime.
+
+1333
+01:17:29,590 --> 01:17:31,420
+Where was he recommending amnesty?
+
+1334
+01:17:31,420 --> 01:17:32,090
+Oh, yes.
+
+1335
+01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:35,760
+Oh God, I tell you, is
+
+1336
+01:17:35,760 --> 01:17:38,970
+this was the great this is separated
+the sheep from the goats.
+
+1337
+01:17:39,430 --> 01:17:46,310
+And if he wanted the support of Nixon
+and the Republican Party, then
+
+1338
+01:17:47,610 --> 01:17:49,820
+he needs to go along.
+
+1339
+01:17:49,900 --> 01:17:52,440
+And so he wouldn't come.
+
+1340
+01:17:57,780 --> 01:17:59,120
+You know, not that Rockefeller
+
+1341
+01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,330
+wasn't coming in.
+
+1342
+01:18:03,290 --> 01:18:05,080
+It's like slamming the door on you.
+
+1343
+01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:08,790
+You know, I slammed the door
+and we were locked in this room
+
+1344
+01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:10,800
+and we didn't know what to do.
+
+1345
+01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:13,720
+You were to a great degree,
+
+1346
+01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,550
+despondent
+that we had no solution to this.
+
+1347
+01:18:17,590 --> 01:18:20,310
+We didn't know what to do.
+
+1348
+01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:23,640
+Made one last chance
+to convince the inmates
+
+1349
+01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,350
+to surrender.
+
+1350
+01:18:30,610 --> 01:18:33,070
+That last night, Cell Block D.
+
+1351
+01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,200
+As we were trying to negotiate.
+
+1352
+01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:41,490
+Demands that we thought.
+
+1353
+01:18:42,410 --> 01:18:44,200
+But realistic.
+
+1354
+01:18:47,080 --> 01:18:50,960
+Was. A come to Jesus moment.
+
+1355
+01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:55,300
+This is what you wanted the demands.
+
+1356
+01:18:56,130 --> 01:18:58,550
+This is what we were able to achieve.
+
+1357
+01:18:58,550 --> 01:19:01,300
+This is where we stand now.
+
+1358
+01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:06,390
+I'm not going to mislead you.
+
+1359
+01:19:06,390 --> 01:19:08,600
+And believe
+that you can get anything better.
+
+1360
+01:19:09,650 --> 01:19:11,560
+I do not believe you can get
+
+1361
+01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,150
+anything better.
+
+1362
+01:19:14,980 --> 01:19:16,280
+I think we have to make
+
+1363
+01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:18,820
+a peaceful accommodation.
+
+1364
+01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:24,490
+Ready to be shot down like dogs.
+
+1365
+01:19:25,250 --> 01:19:28,540
+I said this is what we achieved. OK.
+
+1366
+01:19:30,250 --> 01:19:32,420
+And turn around, look,
+
+1367
+01:19:32,420 --> 01:19:36,550
+cellblock, then you see all those guns
+there, just waiting to kill us.
+
+1368
+01:19:36,550 --> 01:19:38,050
+They want to kill us.
+
+1369
+01:19:38,050 --> 01:19:41,050
+Do you understand that they want to show
+
+1370
+01:19:41,220 --> 01:19:44,010
+that they have the power
+from the barrel of a gun?
+
+1371
+01:19:44,060 --> 01:19:45,520
+That's what they want to do.
+
+1372
+01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:48,270
+Oh God, I don't know
+what's happening to me.
+
+1373
+01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,310
+We were warned by the observers
+
+1374
+01:19:51,310 --> 01:19:55,230
+that if we didn't settle,
+even without the amnesty,
+
+1375
+01:19:55,780 --> 01:19:59,200
+they were going to come in
+and it could get very bad.
+
+1376
+01:20:00,990 --> 01:20:05,660
+And of course, we talked among ourselves,
+and we just couldn't
+
+1377
+01:20:06,410 --> 01:20:09,460
+go without the amnesty
+because it would have been literally
+
+1378
+01:20:10,250 --> 01:20:11,670
+sending all our leaders.
+
+1379
+01:20:13,540 --> 01:20:15,960
+To the dogs to be
+
+1380
+01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:18,720
+tortured, murdered.
+
+1381
+01:20:19,550 --> 01:20:21,930
+Convicted of crimes and
+
+1382
+01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:23,970
+who knows what else, we had observed
+
+1383
+01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:28,850
+the organization
+and preparation of the troopers to enter.
+
+1384
+01:20:29,020 --> 01:20:31,850
+Hundreds of them with their shotguns
+
+1385
+01:20:31,850 --> 01:20:35,610
+just outside the immediate
+area of the yard.
+
+1386
+01:20:36,190 --> 01:20:40,820
+We witness the stationing of sharpshooters
+on one of the ledges
+
+1387
+01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,320
+looking down into DAAD.
+
+1388
+01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,740
+Fear overtook the observers committee.
+
+1389
+01:20:51,790 --> 01:20:54,170
+It seemed like they felt
+something was going to happen.
+
+1390
+01:20:54,830 --> 01:20:56,340
+They were more.
+
+1391
+01:20:57,500 --> 01:21:00,300
+Hesitant to leave,
+they left with a solemn mood.
+
+1392
+01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:02,510
+He left us with a solemn like.
+
+1393
+01:21:04,180 --> 01:21:07,600
+But is this better, just take care.
+
+1394
+01:21:10,140 --> 01:21:12,480
+I remember seeing them leave, and,
+
+1395
+01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:16,400
+you know,
+it was a scary moment to see them leaving,
+
+1396
+01:21:16,770 --> 01:21:18,980
+you know,
+knowing that there wasn't coming back.
+
+1397
+01:21:22,570 --> 01:21:23,400
+I remember
+
+1398
+01:21:23,400 --> 01:21:27,910
+Big Black saying, I want to thank you
+for what you guys tried to do.
+
+1399
+01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:30,790
+We really appreciate it.
+So there was a lot of that.
+
+1400
+01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:33,290
+When we went out of
+
+1401
+01:21:33,290 --> 01:21:36,670
+that yard that night.
+
+1402
+01:21:37,090 --> 01:21:38,500
+There were tears.
+
+1403
+01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:40,420
+Tears.
+
+1404
+01:21:42,470 --> 01:21:45,010
+And I think all of us were hoping
+
+1405
+01:21:45,010 --> 01:21:47,140
+that something happened
+at the last minute.
+
+1406
+01:21:48,430 --> 01:21:49,430
+Stop it.
+
+1407
+01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:55,270
+I felt complete failure,
+
+1408
+01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:57,650
+a failure that I had let them down.
+
+1409
+01:21:59,730 --> 01:22:03,110
+one of the most painful things.
+
+1410
+01:22:03,190 --> 01:22:06,160
+As inmates begin to.
+
+1411
+01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:09,450
+Hand me
+written notes, the telephone number.
+
+1412
+01:22:10,910 --> 01:22:14,080
+Of their of their
+
+1413
+01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:15,540
+next of kin.
+
+1414
+01:22:16,460 --> 01:22:18,790
+In case they didn't make it OK.
+
+1415
+01:22:19,380 --> 01:22:21,090
+They wanted me.
+
+1416
+01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:24,050
+They they I mean, a couple of them
+looked me in the eye with tears
+
+1417
+01:22:25,300 --> 01:22:27,300
+for the Jones, but I don't make it.
+
+1418
+01:22:28,050 --> 01:22:28,930
+You're going to call right.
+
+1419
+01:22:28,930 --> 01:22:31,260
+I said, You have my word.
+
+1420
+01:22:31,970 --> 01:22:34,350
+I will call you
+
+1421
+01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:38,690
+any way optimistic that this thing
+could be settled by tomorrow.
+
+1422
+01:22:38,980 --> 01:22:42,530
+I think I'm much too tired to be either
+optimistic or pessimistic at this moment.
+
+1423
+01:22:42,530 --> 01:22:44,860
+I'm kind of just freaked out.
+
+1424
+01:22:56,540 --> 01:22:58,290
+Randall, I know
+
+1425
+01:22:58,370 --> 01:23:00,920
+it didn't stop ran until about
+
+1426
+01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960
+six in the morning.
+
+1427
+01:23:03,500 --> 01:23:06,760
+Cold Mountain, right?
+
+1428
+01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:12,390
+And we were not prepared
+for those little hunches that we had the
+
+1429
+01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:15,600
+that people had built a yard up
+
+1430
+01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,020
+in every day,
+all alone started collapsing.
+
+1431
+01:23:18,900 --> 01:23:21,060
+And you had to get on
+
+1432
+01:23:21,730 --> 01:23:25,820
+solid ground concrete and huddled together
+
+1433
+01:23:26,110 --> 01:23:29,200
+because everybody was shivering
+and everything else.
+
+1434
+01:23:29,700 --> 01:23:32,830
+It was a miserable night,
+one of the miserable nights
+
+1435
+01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:35,040
+I ever spent in my life.
+
+1436
+01:23:37,620 --> 01:23:40,920
+I could feel the tension in the air,
+the tension was so strong
+
+1437
+01:23:41,170 --> 01:23:43,880
+that I could just basically grab it
+and hold on to it
+
+1438
+01:23:45,050 --> 01:23:46,170
+. Am I going to make it?
+
+1439
+01:23:46,170 --> 01:23:48,630
+Am I going to to this?
+
+1440
+01:23:48,630 --> 01:23:53,760
+And that tension was so strong I could touch it, I could cut improperly in my hand.
+
+1441
+01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:59,310
+There was an air.
+
+1442
+01:24:03,770 --> 01:24:06,110
+We've been out there for about four days.
+
+1443
+01:24:06,110 --> 01:24:08,610
+Wake up that morning and it's
+
+1444
+01:24:08,610 --> 01:24:11,070
+wet and dreary out there,
+
+1445
+01:24:11,070 --> 01:24:14,450
+and you could always smell the fumes
+
+1446
+01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,200
+of Guy's body
+in that trench that we dug in the yard.
+
+1447
+01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,250
+You use the bathroom.
+
+1448
+01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:22,960
+Right there in front of You
+Breathe initiative nowadays,
+
+1449
+01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:25,960
+so you want out.
+
+1450
+01:24:28,380 --> 01:24:30,260
+What was really bad?
+
+1451
+01:24:30,260 --> 01:24:33,260
+People's moods was that way, and
+
+1452
+01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:34,510
+it was crowded.
+
+1453
+01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:37,020
+It started to rain a little bit.
+
+1454
+01:24:37,020 --> 01:24:38,140
+You know, it was dog.
+
+1455
+01:24:38,140 --> 01:24:40,850
+The sky was dark gray.
+
+1456
+01:24:44,020 --> 01:24:44,650
+We heard that
+
+1457
+01:24:44,650 --> 01:24:46,770
+we would be part of a medical evacuation.
+
+1458
+01:24:48,440 --> 01:24:50,530
+And early on Monday morning,
+
+1459
+01:24:50,530 --> 01:24:52,950
+we loaded into trucks
+and headed for Attica prison.
+
+1460
+01:24:56,370 --> 01:24:58,450
+In the three years
+that I was in the National Guard,
+
+1461
+01:24:58,450 --> 01:25:02,580
+I had not seen any kind of action
+in which violence was involved.
+
+1462
+01:25:03,540 --> 01:25:05,500
+But we had a sense of dread,
+
+1463
+01:25:05,500 --> 01:25:08,210
+and we had a wish
+that we could kind of not go.
+
+1464
+01:25:09,460 --> 01:25:12,760
+And there was the hope,
+even at the last minute, that
+
+1465
+01:25:13,470 --> 01:25:15,970
+by some miracle, maybe
+
+1466
+01:25:16,300 --> 01:25:19,390
+Rockefeller would intervene.
+
+1467
+01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:21,730
+His refusal to come
+
+1468
+01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:25,860
+here is a monstrosity, because what he is
+saying is kill these men.
+
+1469
+01:25:26,110 --> 01:25:27,940
+I have no concern.
+
+1470
+01:25:27,940 --> 01:25:31,240
+All I want to do
+is assault, law and order,
+
+1471
+01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,990
+and I think that's a rotten
+in exchange for life.
+
+1472
+01:25:35,570 --> 01:25:37,580
+And we got to the prison
+
+1473
+01:25:37,580 --> 01:25:41,830
+and saw the lines of state troopers
+and deputies
+
+1474
+01:25:41,830 --> 01:25:45,540
+with their raincoats
+on and their weapons in hand.
+
+1475
+01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:47,920
+They looked exhausted.
+
+1476
+01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:51,300
+They had been there, many of them
+for a couple of days at least,
+
+1477
+01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,260
+and they really didn't look up to the
+task that was given to them.
+
+1478
+01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:05,350
+He was coming in, you could tell.
+
+1479
+01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:08,270
+You can see them starting to get
+more people I wasn't able to count on.
+
+1480
+01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:11,730
+What I saw was.
+
+1481
+01:26:15,820 --> 01:26:18,870
+We got another matches
+to put up on that table committee, there's
+
+1482
+01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:22,750
+going to be rubber bullets
+and I say that's what that's
+
+1483
+01:26:22,750 --> 01:26:24,960
+what the word was.
+
+1484
+01:26:27,460 --> 01:26:29,960
+I thought they were going to be
+a real old fashioned game for you.
+
+1485
+01:26:29,960 --> 01:26:32,380
+David, you want to call it,
+you know them versus us.
+
+1486
+01:26:32,630 --> 01:26:33,800
+They've got the crowd.
+
+1487
+01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,680
+We've got a few bats and stuff in here,
+so we're going to
+
+1488
+01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,640
+best guy win.
+
+1489
+01:26:41,760 --> 01:26:44,350
+We started making preparations
+
+1490
+01:26:44,350 --> 01:26:47,350
+and putting Vaseline
+on every part of our body
+
+1491
+01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:50,570
+that could be exposed to gas
+and get burnt and stuff like that
+
+1492
+01:26:51,730 --> 01:26:53,900
+padding ourselves with clothes.
+
+1493
+01:26:57,820 --> 01:26:58,780
+Somebody saying
+
+1494
+01:26:58,780 --> 01:27:01,410
+if they come in here,
+then that's good because I know my sheik.
+
+1495
+01:27:04,040 --> 01:27:06,120
+It became apparent to me
+
+1496
+01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,540
+that the situation
+was seriously deteriorating
+
+1497
+01:27:09,380 --> 01:27:13,250
+and that the inmates,
+many of whom are confined to this maximum
+
+1498
+01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:17,220
+security facility
+under light and long sentences.
+
+1499
+01:27:18,050 --> 01:27:21,640
+We're not going to participate
+in a reasonable negotiation.
+
+1500
+01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,770
+Tensions within the walls
+
+1501
+01:27:24,770 --> 01:27:27,230
+have steadily increased.
+
+1502
+01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:29,480
+The action now underway
+
+1503
+01:27:29,480 --> 01:27:31,770
+was initiated with extreme reluctance
+
+1504
+01:27:32,900 --> 01:27:36,240
+only after all, attempts to achieve
+
+1505
+01:27:36,940 --> 01:27:40,820
+a peaceful solution failed.
+
+1506
+01:27:40,990 --> 01:27:43,240
+We were told that our mission
+was protection
+
+1507
+01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,120
+for the medical battalion
+during the commander's briefing.
+
+1508
+01:27:47,330 --> 01:27:49,460
+We were told that to our knowledge,
+
+1509
+01:27:50,170 --> 01:27:52,840
+the inmates had no guns.
+
+1510
+01:27:52,840 --> 01:27:54,090
+They had Spears.
+
+1511
+01:27:54,090 --> 01:27:56,340
+They had some knives.
+
+1512
+01:27:56,340 --> 01:27:59,380
+They had pipes
+that they were using as clubs.
+
+1513
+01:28:00,010 --> 01:28:02,390
+But that was the extent of the threat.
+
+1514
+01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:05,390
+So we knew that going in for,
+
+1515
+01:28:06,720 --> 01:28:07,930
+you know, 5:00 a.m.
+
+1516
+01:28:07,930 --> 01:28:11,440
+September 13, we're on the roof of a block
+
+1517
+01:28:12,100 --> 01:28:14,980
+waiting for the assault to begin.
+
+1518
+01:28:14,980 --> 01:28:17,360
+This is a team of 270 rifle shooters.
+
+1519
+01:28:18,900 --> 01:28:22,530
+The center of our pictures, men
+distributing
+
+1520
+01:28:22,530 --> 01:28:24,830
+baseball bats to the other prisoners.
+
+1521
+01:28:25,490 --> 01:28:28,250
+We had no guns. We had no real weapons.
+
+1522
+01:28:28,250 --> 01:28:32,630
+We had bullshit pieces of stick
+or a piece of iron
+
+1523
+01:28:33,040 --> 01:28:37,210
+or shank
+that somebody made up on the sidewalk.
+
+1524
+01:28:37,630 --> 01:28:40,380
+It was. It was pathetic.
+
+1525
+01:28:40,380 --> 01:28:45,100
+Just four days, almost to the minute
+after the convict insurrection started,
+
+1526
+01:28:45,430 --> 01:28:49,060
+state police reinforced by sheriff's
+deputies, National Guardsmen
+
+1527
+01:28:49,310 --> 01:28:54,610
+and correctional officers moving in on
+the prison time is 150 5:00 p.m.
+
+1528
+01:28:54,610 --> 01:29:00,070
+We're on the roof of C Block
+looking at a detail of 270 marksmen
+
+1529
+01:29:00,610 --> 01:29:03,860
+with instructions
+to clear the catwalks upon command.
+
+1530
+01:29:05,700 --> 01:29:06,660
+They took some of the
+
+1531
+01:29:06,660 --> 01:29:12,120
+hostages on top of the catwalks,
+which is on top of the hallways,
+
+1532
+01:29:12,620 --> 01:29:17,670
+and some of the inmates held knives to the
+to their neck as a result.
+
+1533
+01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,800
+In an effort to try to stop the assault,
+
+1534
+01:29:21,420 --> 01:29:25,220
+the hostages are armed with knives
+with their throats.
+
+1535
+01:29:25,800 --> 01:29:28,680
+It was all just to show.
+
+1536
+01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:32,350
+The try to get them to say, Oh,
+wait a minute, it's my cousin, my brother.
+
+1537
+01:29:32,690 --> 01:29:34,100
+All he's got.
+
+1538
+01:29:35,060 --> 01:29:38,150
+We were hopeful that if they saw this,
+they would back off
+
+1539
+01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,610
+and try to renegotiate
+so they could protect their own people.
+
+1540
+01:29:45,410 --> 01:29:47,660
+The notion of sending
+
+1541
+01:29:47,660 --> 01:29:49,990
+in correctional officers
+
+1542
+01:29:50,910 --> 01:29:53,000
+who didn't love the prisoners
+to begin with
+
+1543
+01:29:53,790 --> 01:29:58,420
+and state police who were stressed
+out was a serious miscalculation,
+
+1544
+01:29:58,420 --> 01:30:02,210
+somebody should have said, wait a second,
+wait a second, these people are on edge.
+
+1545
+01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,430
+There is hostility
+
+1546
+01:30:07,510 --> 01:30:11,520
+and it's going to get out of control.
+
+1547
+01:30:12,730 --> 01:30:15,480
+We know that now, did we know that
+
+1548
+01:30:16,020 --> 01:30:17,940
+in real time?
+
+1549
+01:30:19,690 --> 01:30:21,480
+I guess not.
+
+1550
+01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:27,110
+I seen this as a glorious fight.
+
+1551
+01:30:28,410 --> 01:30:30,660
+They would come in with batons
+
+1552
+01:30:30,660 --> 01:30:35,580
+and stuff like that,
+and we would be fighting the brave battle
+
+1553
+01:30:35,580 --> 01:30:39,090
+with baseball bats and stuff like that, I.
+
+1554
+01:30:51,180 --> 01:30:52,010
+I did.
+
+1555
+01:30:57,730 --> 01:31:00,440
+I just never expected.
+
+1556
+01:31:01,020 --> 01:31:03,650
+The the coverage through
+what actually happened,
+
+1557
+01:31:03,650 --> 01:31:04,990
+I'm sorry.
+
+1558
+01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:23,840
+Helicopter, two helicopters and a.
+
+1559
+01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:30,260
+We're talking now going overhead
+
+1560
+01:31:30,260 --> 01:31:33,260
+and over the wall into the prison.
+
+1561
+01:31:34,350 --> 01:31:37,350
+It just disquieted,
+and Sky was getting dark,
+
+1562
+01:31:37,850 --> 01:31:40,100
+and then we heard
+the helicopters does a dance.
+
+1563
+01:31:40,810 --> 01:31:43,230
+This is fucking strange.
+
+1564
+01:31:46,440 --> 01:31:48,780
+The helicopter comes up over the wall
+
+1565
+01:31:49,200 --> 01:31:51,820
+and it's hovering over the yard.
+
+1566
+01:31:54,740 --> 01:31:56,120
+I seen this.
+
+1567
+01:31:56,120 --> 01:31:57,960
+I thought it was a monster.
+
+1568
+01:31:57,960 --> 01:32:00,290
+It was a helicopter, a green helicopter.
+
+1569
+01:32:00,750 --> 01:32:02,000
+It was flying low.
+
+1570
+01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:09,630
+You see this.
+
+1571
+01:32:09,630 --> 01:32:12,760
+It's like a sickly green gas with.
+
+1572
+01:32:13,470 --> 01:32:15,640
+Sparkly stuff, minute coming down.
+
+1573
+01:32:16,470 --> 01:32:18,810
+It tightens your chest.
+
+1574
+01:32:18,810 --> 01:32:21,440
+Where you can hardly breathe.
+
+1575
+01:32:21,440 --> 01:32:23,650
+That gas knocked me down.
+
+1576
+01:32:24,190 --> 01:32:26,730
+Oh, what that was.
+
+1577
+01:32:27,030 --> 01:32:29,110
+And they had me so weak I could not.
+
+1578
+01:32:29,860 --> 01:32:32,990
+Your eyes are just all burning,
+
+1579
+01:32:32,990 --> 01:32:35,450
+your nose is burning,
+your mouth is burning.
+
+1580
+01:32:42,540 --> 01:32:43,830
+I mean,
+
+1581
+01:32:44,290 --> 01:32:45,420
+we are.
+
+1582
+01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,220
+And you got on the microphone,
+everybody in D-Block, yeah.
+
+1583
+01:32:52,260 --> 01:32:54,760
+Put your hands in the air.
+
+1584
+01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:56,390
+And you are not behind.
+
+1585
+01:32:56,390 --> 01:33:01,020
+Go to the nearest police officer
+and you will not be home.
+
+1586
+01:33:01,270 --> 01:33:04,440
+You would not be home. We will not be.
+
+1587
+01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:06,690
+You would not be here for that was.
+
+1588
+01:33:16,240 --> 01:33:17,160
+Do just ended up
+
+1589
+01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:19,500
+doing this to get blown away.
+
+1590
+01:33:20,700 --> 01:33:24,210
+They blew his head off and then.
+
+1591
+01:33:24,210 --> 01:33:28,170
+Has all of a sudden
+there was all this popping all around us
+
+1592
+01:33:29,510 --> 01:33:31,130
+and all these little pops
+
+1593
+01:33:31,130 --> 01:33:34,930
+all around us were actually bullets.
+
+1594
+01:33:35,890 --> 01:33:40,560
+Oh, and you could really see
+because the CO2 public first heard
+
+1595
+01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:43,730
+you blah, that you can hear the boom
+going by your ear.
+
+1596
+01:33:49,150 --> 01:33:52,320
+The hostages can't be seen in any.
+
+1597
+01:33:54,950 --> 01:33:57,320
+I'm trying to stay on the ground
+as long as possible,
+
+1598
+01:33:58,490 --> 01:34:00,660
+just like
+they were shooting down the barrel
+
+1599
+01:34:00,660 --> 01:34:04,500
+and they started shooting
+point blank range, blowing guys away .
+
+1600
+01:34:04,500 --> 01:34:08,090
+I got shot in the arm up there right
+through the back macroeconomist on.
+
+1601
+01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:15,680
+I I felt something.
+
+1602
+01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,310
+Go to my head,
+it must go, and it was burning,
+
+1603
+01:34:21,390 --> 01:34:22,770
+no was shot.
+
+1604
+01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:26,190
+I felt something hit my arm
+
+1605
+01:34:26,190 --> 01:34:28,810
+and we're all numb and realized needed.
+
+1606
+01:34:28,810 --> 01:34:31,940
+I got shot in the arm
+about two inches from my heart
+
+1607
+01:34:32,070 --> 01:34:36,360
+and also a one to a football helmet
+on Spanish food.
+
+1608
+01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,700
+Now the guard is up on the catwalk.
+
+1609
+01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:44,120
+He jumps out with a hammer
+and throws it up and it hits the catwalk.
+
+1610
+01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:49,040
+And you can hear the sound clip
+and all of them turn looked at him,
+
+1611
+01:34:49,130 --> 01:34:53,590
+and all of them turn their guns
+on a brutal dashboard body.
+
+1612
+01:34:53,760 --> 01:34:55,260
+I'm assuming that you guys got anywhere
+
+1613
+01:34:55,260 --> 01:34:59,180
+from 20 to 50 shots
+because his body was doing like that.
+
+1614
+01:34:59,180 --> 01:35:00,640
+I'd never seen no shit like that.
+
+1615
+01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,640
+Not as a nasty shoot in the street.
+
+1616
+01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:03,560
+I'd never seen them. I did.
+
+1617
+01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:06,020
+I mean.
+
+1618
+01:35:10,810 --> 01:35:12,940
+This was a holiday for the.
+
+1619
+01:35:12,940 --> 01:35:16,070
+We got no guns to shoot back.
+
+1620
+01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:16,650
+You know what?
+
+1621
+01:35:16,650 --> 01:35:21,030
+It is a shoe store man and it's a shoe,
+but that's just a holiday
+
+1622
+01:35:21,780 --> 01:35:24,040
+slow motion and all it was
+
+1623
+01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:27,620
+that was save money.
+
+1624
+01:35:27,620 --> 01:35:30,170
+That's what
+they will follow to each other.
+
+1625
+01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:32,130
+I was scared.
+
+1626
+01:35:33,550 --> 01:35:35,760
+I've done bad things,
+but I never did this bad.
+
+1627
+01:35:36,170 --> 01:35:37,260
+As no.
+
+1628
+01:35:37,260 --> 01:35:40,640
+These guys are real fucking cold blooded
+
+1629
+01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:42,260
+killers and shit.
+
+1630
+01:35:43,930 --> 01:35:47,480
+Until that moment came,
+
+1631
+01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:51,110
+what is killing really started,
+and I realize that
+
+1632
+01:35:52,150 --> 01:35:55,610
+you're not that fucking bad guy, no more,
+man, there's more power with his words
+
+1633
+01:35:55,610 --> 01:35:58,780
+new, every bullet that missed by me,
+
+1634
+01:35:59,610 --> 01:36:01,160
+if he could move.
+
+1635
+01:36:02,570 --> 01:36:05,410
+Close to me, I winced,
+
+1636
+01:36:07,580 --> 01:36:09,160
+then all of a sudden, it just stopped.
+
+1637
+01:36:25,180 --> 01:36:25,430
+There are
+
+1638
+01:36:25,430 --> 01:36:28,680
+people throwing off their smoke gear.
+
+1639
+01:36:29,230 --> 01:36:31,440
+They ran out
+screaming niggers, niggers, niggers
+
+1640
+01:36:33,060 --> 01:36:36,400
+and two of them pointed their guns at me.
+
+1641
+01:36:37,030 --> 01:36:38,190
+Negative niggers.
+
+1642
+01:36:38,190 --> 01:36:40,280
+And I said, Don't shoot, don't shoot.
+
+1643
+01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:41,320
+Don't shoot.
+
+1644
+01:36:41,320 --> 01:36:44,200
+Well, I'm coughing with all the gas.
+
+1645
+01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:46,790
+I've been gassed.
+
+1646
+01:36:46,790 --> 01:36:48,750
+It's an awful thing.
+
+1647
+01:36:48,750 --> 01:36:50,540
+William Kunstler
+
+1648
+01:36:51,540 --> 01:36:54,380
+has said that people are dying in there.
+
+1649
+01:36:54,630 --> 01:36:58,550
+And I agree with that.
+
+1650
+01:36:59,050 --> 01:37:03,390
+But that people are dying
+and then a shooting went on forever
+
+1651
+01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:07,220
+and then it was like the shooting subsided
+
+1652
+01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:09,890
+and then I heard some.
+
+1653
+01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:15,400
+After the shooting subsided,
+I heard some single shot
+
+1654
+01:37:15,480 --> 01:37:18,650
+bang and bang.
+
+1655
+01:37:27,830 --> 01:37:30,040
+After they took over the prison,
+
+1656
+01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:32,660
+all those books
+that had been speaking to the cameras
+
+1657
+01:37:34,170 --> 01:37:37,170
+were all targeted and tortured.
+
+1658
+01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,840
+So yes, yes, yes, yes, they were targeted.
+
+1659
+01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:45,050
+Andy Barclay.
+
+1660
+01:37:45,180 --> 01:37:48,220
+They were calling his name.
+
+1661
+01:37:48,260 --> 01:37:50,600
+Going to that, Bob, looking for him
+
+1662
+01:37:51,310 --> 01:37:54,100
+and threatening him
+with what they were going to do to him.
+
+1663
+01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:58,320
+When they when they found him
+and they found him,
+
+1664
+01:37:59,190 --> 01:38:00,860
+he was yelling.
+
+1665
+01:38:01,530 --> 01:38:03,990
+No, no, but it's too fucking late.
+
+1666
+01:38:04,030 --> 01:38:07,070
+They had him do acting, actually
+dragging him towards a
+
+1667
+01:38:07,120 --> 01:38:10,370
+block far yard over there.
+
+1668
+01:38:10,370 --> 01:38:13,080
+He's Holland new agreement and the acuity.
+
+1669
+01:38:24,970 --> 01:38:27,590
+You can see because the gas is so thick,
+
+1670
+01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:31,220
+but all of a sudden a puff of wind comes
+
+1671
+01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:35,390
+and disperses the gas.
+
+1672
+01:38:35,390 --> 01:38:37,560
+And then I could see.
+
+1673
+01:38:37,560 --> 01:38:40,650
+And what I saw was fright.
+
+1674
+01:38:41,190 --> 01:38:44,150
+Hundreds of bodies just laying there.
+
+1675
+01:38:45,740 --> 01:38:47,950
+Some were moaning, some wasn't moving.
+
+1676
+01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:50,740
+Blood was everywhere.
+
+1677
+01:38:55,710 --> 01:39:00,040
+We were given stretchers
+and told to go into the prison.
+
+1678
+01:39:01,170 --> 01:39:03,260
+It was really an unthinkable scene.
+
+1679
+01:39:03,260 --> 01:39:06,130
+It was dead and wounded and simply
+
+1680
+01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:08,890
+starting to carry them out.
+
+1681
+01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:12,140
+It was far beyond anything
+
+1682
+01:39:12,140 --> 01:39:15,310
+I had imagined when they said
+we would be doing medical evacuation.
+
+1683
+01:39:16,230 --> 01:39:18,980
+We were basically civilians
+
+1684
+01:39:18,980 --> 01:39:22,110
+put into a situation where state troopers
+
+1685
+01:39:22,110 --> 01:39:24,530
+and correctional officers
+had created a war zone.
+
+1686
+01:39:26,990 --> 01:39:31,120
+There was a pile of bodies,
+maybe eight or ten people,
+
+1687
+01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:34,160
+and the man on top,
+it had his eyes shot out.
+
+1688
+01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:57,600
+Right below us,
+
+1689
+01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,230
+there was a huge pool of rainwater
+
+1690
+01:40:01,060 --> 01:40:03,400
+and it was blood red.
+
+1691
+01:40:03,570 --> 01:40:07,070
+And I looked down on down at it
+
+1692
+01:40:07,070 --> 01:40:10,070
+and they said, Those are false
+teeth down there, aren't they?
+
+1693
+01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:13,910
+And somebody said, Yeah.
+
+1694
+01:40:16,540 --> 01:40:18,710
+The attitude of the people
+
+1695
+01:40:18,710 --> 01:40:20,830
+who should have been concerned
+
+1696
+01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:24,420
+about what had happened
+was simply that they were
+
+1697
+01:40:25,750 --> 01:40:28,010
+pleased with what had happened
+
+1698
+01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:31,220
+and had no qualms or second thoughts
+
+1699
+01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:34,470
+or anything but satisfaction
+
+1700
+01:40:34,470 --> 01:40:37,640
+with Walker wants to go back to.
+
+1701
+01:40:42,810 --> 01:40:45,230
+Why white power weight,
+
+1702
+01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:48,400
+right, right?
+
+1703
+01:40:53,820 --> 01:40:56,120
+They had control.
+
+1704
+01:40:56,120 --> 01:40:58,410
+And once they had control, you would think
+
+1705
+01:40:58,410 --> 01:41:00,830
+that things would have stopped.
+
+1706
+01:41:01,620 --> 01:41:03,250
+They didn't.
+
+1707
+01:41:06,380 --> 01:41:09,590
+It was clear that at that point
+it was all about revenge.
+
+1708
+01:41:10,130 --> 01:41:12,930
+It was all about reestablishing
+who was in charge.
+
+1709
+01:41:13,340 --> 01:41:16,680
+And the most violent ways possible.
+
+1710
+01:41:24,270 --> 01:41:26,940
+Everybody had to crawl through shit,
+
+1711
+01:41:26,940 --> 01:41:29,230
+human waste.
+
+1712
+01:41:32,780 --> 01:41:33,660
+But what do you do?
+
+1713
+01:41:33,660 --> 01:41:37,120
+Do you live to tell your story
+
+1714
+01:41:37,280 --> 01:41:39,450
+like I'm doing today
+or do you fucking die?
+
+1715
+01:41:40,410 --> 01:41:41,200
+I made a choice.
+
+1716
+01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:42,540
+I want to live.
+
+1717
+01:41:46,380 --> 01:41:48,460
+Chrome nickel chrome
+
+1718
+01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:50,550
+for like a dog.
+
+1719
+01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:58,720
+If you look up, nigga,
+I'll blow your motherfucking brains out.
+
+1720
+01:42:00,600 --> 01:42:03,270
+What the
+fuck they care about calling you a nigger?
+
+1721
+01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:06,310
+That was your name.
+
+1722
+01:42:07,150 --> 01:42:08,440
+They had us marching
+
+1723
+01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:10,820
+around the yard with our with our hands
+
+1724
+01:42:11,940 --> 01:42:13,900
+interlocked like this on top of our heads,
+
+1725
+01:42:13,900 --> 01:42:16,110
+abject surrender.
+
+1726
+01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:30,420
+When I saw these naked bodies
+
+1727
+01:42:31,050 --> 01:42:35,300
+lined up, snaked around the area,
+it reminded me
+
+1728
+01:42:35,840 --> 01:42:40,970
+of portrayals of of African-Americans
+being heard it on the slave ships.
+
+1729
+01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,390
+That was just horrendous, just horrible,
+
+1730
+01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:45,520
+horrible.
+
+1731
+01:42:55,780 --> 01:42:58,280
+We're next in the middle of fucking yard.
+
+1732
+01:42:59,200 --> 01:43:02,160
+God's going around with like baby bats.
+
+1733
+01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:06,120
+It was seven remote guys
+as I'm laying here and I'm hoping
+
+1734
+01:43:06,120 --> 01:43:08,420
+they don't come my way.
+
+1735
+01:43:21,010 --> 01:43:24,020
+Frank Schmidt,
+Big Black, was put on a table
+
+1736
+01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:27,690
+with the football under his throat.
+
+1737
+01:43:30,810 --> 01:43:33,190
+People stood up above him on the catwalk,
+
+1738
+01:43:33,230 --> 01:43:37,450
+aiming their guns down at him,
+throwing cigars and cigaret butts on him
+
+1739
+01:43:39,070 --> 01:43:39,740
+. And
+
+1740
+01:43:39,740 --> 01:43:43,080
+it said, Do said football falls, nigger,
+we're going to shoot you.
+
+1741
+01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:49,170
+He was told to get to his feet.
+
+1742
+01:43:49,170 --> 01:43:52,130
+He tried, he stumbled, he fell.
+
+1743
+01:43:52,130 --> 01:43:54,170
+He was hit with clubs
+
+1744
+01:43:54,380 --> 01:43:56,670
+on his back between his legs.
+
+1745
+01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:00,260
+And he was crying out.
+
+1746
+01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:03,050
+You know, don't do this. Don't do this.
+
+1747
+01:44:03,640 --> 01:44:06,600
+And then you could hear him screaming as
+
+1748
+01:44:06,600 --> 01:44:08,600
+he went up to the prison.
+
+1749
+01:44:14,110 --> 01:44:16,570
+It felt good
+that I had survived this shit.
+
+1750
+01:44:17,570 --> 01:44:19,990
+And now I got a look out
+
+1751
+01:44:20,610 --> 01:44:24,200
+because some motion is coming.
+
+1752
+01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:30,170
+The inmates were entering
+
+1753
+01:44:30,170 --> 01:44:32,710
+these corridors off of the yard
+
+1754
+01:44:33,750 --> 01:44:36,380
+and the guards were like
+
+1755
+01:44:36,380 --> 01:44:38,840
+five or six feet apart with their clubs
+
+1756
+01:44:39,590 --> 01:44:43,640
+and they would hit them against the wall
+and there was just this
+
+1757
+01:44:44,680 --> 01:44:46,770
+dull drum like sound.
+
+1758
+01:44:46,770 --> 01:44:50,310
+And then they were hitting the inmates
+as they ran a gantlet.
+
+1759
+01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:57,400
+We could hear the screams coming out
+
+1760
+01:44:57,400 --> 01:45:00,990
+so that we knew they were being tortured
+
+1761
+01:45:00,990 --> 01:45:05,330
+and that we were somehow
+part of this unthinkable scene
+
+1762
+01:45:05,530 --> 01:45:09,080
+that there was no escaping from
+but was completely wrong.
+
+1763
+01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:16,090
+They had guards on both sides,
+and they would be hitting you
+
+1764
+01:45:16,340 --> 01:45:17,840
+as you were running through beating you
+
+1765
+01:45:17,840 --> 01:45:21,800
+with hoses and batons
+and whatever they had in their hands.
+
+1766
+01:45:22,010 --> 01:45:24,140
+I'm ducking, trying to get through,
+
+1767
+01:45:24,140 --> 01:45:27,760
+protecting my head,
+so I hit all of my all the elbows.
+
+1768
+01:45:27,760 --> 01:45:32,140
+My knees still hurt, beating you
+and they're making you run
+
+1769
+01:45:32,140 --> 01:45:33,230
+through the gantlet with it,
+
+1770
+01:45:33,230 --> 01:45:36,190
+took all the glass out the fucking windows
+and put it in the middle of the floor.
+
+1771
+01:45:36,520 --> 01:45:38,480
+So you had to run through grass
+with bare feet.
+
+1772
+01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,940
+Nobody came out of that yard.
+
+1773
+01:45:40,940 --> 01:45:46,030
+What with picking without having to pick
+a shot of your feet for four weeks?
+
+1774
+01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:51,370
+Couldn't walk, nobody could walk anymore.
+
+1775
+01:45:51,370 --> 01:45:53,460
+But we had to run
+because if you didn't run,
+
+1776
+01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,500
+they just kept beating you
+with these clubs.
+
+1777
+01:46:05,930 --> 01:46:08,810
+The families of the hostages,
+a lot of them waited
+
+1778
+01:46:08,810 --> 01:46:12,560
+just outside the prison wall.
+
+1779
+01:46:14,980 --> 01:46:17,360
+Then news began to filter out of Attica.
+
+1780
+01:46:17,690 --> 01:46:20,900
+Names of freed hostages
+were called out to the loved one
+
+1781
+01:46:21,070 --> 01:46:23,990
+by Curtis Lieutenant Colonel
+
+1782
+01:46:24,280 --> 01:46:25,160
+Robert
+
+1783
+01:46:26,110 --> 01:46:26,740
+Elder.
+
+1784
+01:46:29,950 --> 01:46:31,750
+Some didn't see their men come out.
+
+1785
+01:46:31,750 --> 01:46:33,580
+All they learned
+was the name of the hospital
+
+1786
+01:46:33,580 --> 01:46:35,370
+where the survivors were being treated.
+
+1787
+01:46:35,370 --> 01:46:36,790
+There were no time to wait.
+
+1788
+01:46:36,790 --> 01:46:40,210
+They ran off to see their man.
+
+1789
+01:46:42,630 --> 01:46:44,670
+People couldn't seem to run fast enough.
+
+1790
+01:46:49,430 --> 01:46:51,510
+My mom came home
+and she was with her sister,
+
+1791
+01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:53,730
+and my mom was crying, obviously upset.
+
+1792
+01:46:57,150 --> 01:46:59,110
+I was outside sitting on the front porch,
+
+1793
+01:46:59,110 --> 01:47:02,230
+you know, praying and worrying,
+and where's dad?
+
+1794
+01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:05,070
+I respect him to show up, you know, and.
+
+1795
+01:47:06,490 --> 01:47:09,070
+I again, my mom was dead.
+
+1796
+01:47:09,780 --> 01:47:11,870
+What's what's
+why are you crying, what's going on?
+
+1797
+01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:15,830
+Well, my mother came back in the house
+and, you know, he
+
+1798
+01:47:15,870 --> 01:47:19,210
+she said, nobody to play with me
+now, are you?
+
+1799
+01:47:19,210 --> 01:47:22,500
+I mean, you know,
+because I didn't want to believe it.
+
+1800
+01:47:22,840 --> 01:47:26,630
+And she finally said, I saw him.
+
+1801
+01:47:26,930 --> 01:47:29,090
+I saw him.
+
+1802
+01:47:33,060 --> 01:47:33,520
+Finally,
+
+1803
+01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:37,480
+she blurted out, Your father's dead.
+
+1804
+01:47:37,810 --> 01:47:39,270
+So it ran.
+
+1805
+01:47:42,320 --> 01:47:44,610
+We're in for a while, and I came back
+
+1806
+01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:49,910
+and I was sitting on the front porch
+trying to be strong and not cry.
+
+1807
+01:47:49,950 --> 01:47:53,030
+And I could hear everybody in the house
+crying
+
+1808
+01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:55,620
+and I was trying to be so tough and.
+
+1809
+01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:04,880
+All right.
+
+1810
+01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:06,630
+Yeah, right.
+
+1811
+01:48:21,900 --> 01:48:24,690
+The National Guardsmen
+were told to get back in their trucks,
+
+1812
+01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:28,110
+and we did that
+and were taken out to the parking area.
+
+1813
+01:48:28,860 --> 01:48:33,660
+And the colonel then addressed
+the battalion, maybe several hundred men,
+
+1814
+01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:37,370
+and he said, essentially you saw things
+
+1815
+01:48:37,370 --> 01:48:40,080
+that were excessive and wrong today.
+
+1816
+01:48:40,960 --> 01:48:44,250
+And I have to ask you
+not to speak of this to anyone
+
+1817
+01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:48,630
+because the world will not understand
+what happened here today.
+
+1818
+01:48:51,300 --> 01:48:54,550
+The most violent
+rebellion in modern American penal history
+
+1819
+01:48:54,550 --> 01:48:58,020
+came to an end today at the maximum
+security prison in New York.
+
+1820
+01:48:58,310 --> 01:49:01,310
+In the final hours of the revolt,
+led primarily by blacks,
+
+1821
+01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,110
+the inmates murdered
+nine of their white hostages.
+
+1822
+01:49:04,480 --> 01:49:05,860
+28 convicts were killed
+
+1823
+01:49:05,860 --> 01:49:09,150
+by state troopers, and sheriff's deputies
+will regain control of the prison.
+
+1824
+01:49:09,780 --> 01:49:12,820
+The storming of the prison had the full
+approval of New York's governor,
+
+1825
+01:49:12,820 --> 01:49:17,370
+Rockefeller, who earlier had rejected
+a prisoner demand for complete clemency.
+
+1826
+01:49:17,700 --> 01:49:22,080
+The White House said that after the prison
+was retaken, President Nixon telephoned
+
+1827
+01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:25,340
+the governor to express his approval
+of Rockefeller's action.
+
+1828
+01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,920
+We went in we couldn't tell whether all 39
+
+1829
+01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:33,090
+hostages would be killed
+and maybe two or 300 prisoners.
+
+1830
+01:49:33,590 --> 01:49:35,970
+So we were able to pick off
+
+1831
+01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,640
+either
+from the wall or as our men went in.
+
+1832
+01:49:41,100 --> 01:49:41,940
+The man who had the
+
+1833
+01:49:41,940 --> 01:49:44,400
+knives at the throat of the hostages
+
+1834
+01:49:45,020 --> 01:49:48,320
+and they did a fabulous job.
+
+1835
+01:49:48,610 --> 01:49:50,740
+I mean, this is this
+
+1836
+01:49:50,740 --> 01:49:53,950
+are these primarily blacks?
+
+1837
+01:49:53,950 --> 01:49:56,820
+Know, and the whole thing
+was led by the black cabinet,
+
+1838
+01:49:56,950 --> 01:49:59,080
+are all the All Blacks?
+
+1839
+01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:04,870
+I haven't got that report,
+but I have to admit I just out.
+
+1840
+01:50:05,040 --> 01:50:07,290
+Yeah, yeah, we've got to have any.
+
+1841
+01:50:07,710 --> 01:50:10,420
+We just not tolerate this kind of
+
+1842
+01:50:11,630 --> 01:50:12,590
+anarchy.
+
+1843
+01:50:18,300 --> 01:50:20,640
+Yesterday, officials at the prison said
+
+1844
+01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:23,560
+eight of the hostages
+had had their throats cut.
+
+1845
+01:50:23,980 --> 01:50:26,730
+But today,
+the Monroe County medical examiner,
+
+1846
+01:50:26,730 --> 01:50:30,280
+having looked at the bodies, said no
+throats were cut at all.
+
+1847
+01:50:30,860 --> 01:50:35,530
+The medical examiner says the hostages
+were apparently killed by a large caliber
+
+1848
+01:50:35,530 --> 01:50:38,620
+ammunition
+and shotgun blasts from a distance,
+
+1849
+01:50:38,990 --> 01:50:42,660
+which immediately raised the possibility
+that some of the hostages may
+
+1850
+01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:46,540
+in fact have been shot down
+by the lawmen who broke in to rescue them.
+
+1851
+01:50:47,790 --> 01:50:50,590
+Some of the hostages were actually shot
+
+1852
+01:50:51,090 --> 01:50:53,920
+running towards the state troopers
+thinking,
+
+1853
+01:50:54,130 --> 01:50:57,140
+I'm saved, I'm saved.
+
+1854
+01:50:57,140 --> 01:50:59,220
+And the hostages were dressed
+
+1855
+01:50:59,220 --> 01:51:01,970
+the same way the inmates were.
+
+1856
+01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:05,140
+Anything that inmate garb on it.
+
+1857
+01:51:05,140 --> 01:51:07,980
+They just started shooting at.
+
+1858
+01:51:10,020 --> 01:51:14,110
+What Rockefeller had done was treat.
+
+1859
+01:51:15,190 --> 01:51:17,360
+The hostages
+
+1860
+01:51:17,950 --> 01:51:21,370
+as no more real live
+
+1861
+01:51:21,370 --> 01:51:26,290
+human beings who deserve to be respected
+than the prisoners.
+
+1862
+01:51:26,870 --> 01:51:30,540
+And so you kill them all
+and you restore order
+
+1863
+01:51:31,090 --> 01:51:35,170
+and you make me into a major
+
+1864
+01:51:35,340 --> 01:51:38,510
+figure who believes in law and order
+
+1865
+01:51:39,010 --> 01:51:43,260
+at a time when that concept is beginning
+
+1866
+01:51:43,260 --> 01:51:46,890
+to really take hold.
+
+1867
+01:52:08,670 --> 01:52:09,370
+We should have entered
+
+1868
+01:52:09,370 --> 01:52:11,960
+in a negotiated settlement.
+
+1869
+01:52:12,460 --> 01:52:14,880
+No, they were they were interested
+in that, they were interested in showing.
+
+1870
+01:52:16,300 --> 01:52:19,380
+The naked fist of power law and order.
+
+1871
+01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:24,140
+The national mindset of the nation
+was law and order.
+
+1872
+01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:27,640
+And law and order does not permit.
+
+1873
+01:52:29,230 --> 01:52:32,190
+Any challenge?
+
+1874
+01:52:32,190 --> 01:52:35,150
+To his authority whatsoever.
+
+1875
+01:52:35,150 --> 01:52:38,070
+God willing, a few more months in
+January will be 90 years old.
+
+1876
+01:52:39,490 --> 01:52:42,200
+I will never, ever, ever, ever,
+
+1877
+01:52:42,660 --> 01:52:44,830
+ever, ever, ever.
+
+1878
+01:52:45,830 --> 01:52:47,330
+We get Atika.
+
+1879
+01:52:47,620 --> 01:52:48,290
+Ever.
+
+1880
+01:52:51,370 --> 01:52:54,710
+It didn't have to be that way.
+
+1881
+01:53:38,630 --> 01:53:41,130
+All eight cases.
+
+1882
+01:53:41,220 --> 01:53:45,140
+Died of gunshot wounds.
+
+1883
+01:53:45,260 --> 01:53:48,180
+There was no evidence of slash throats.
+
+1884
+01:53:49,930 --> 01:53:53,140
+We're sure
+
+1885
+01:53:54,350 --> 01:53:58,900
+your. The.
+
+1886
+01:54:09,540 --> 01:54:11,910
+I have never received an apology.
+
+1887
+01:54:13,790 --> 01:54:15,670
+I've never received an apology,
+and for me,
+
+1888
+01:54:15,670 --> 01:54:17,670
+that's a pretty big deal.
+
+1889
+01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:26,140
+What is money
+
+1890
+01:54:26,140 --> 01:54:29,140
+do when you don't have your dad
+
+1891
+01:54:29,140 --> 01:54:31,970
+or your brother or your uncle who?
+
+1892
+01:54:34,690 --> 01:54:37,310
+How does that replace anything?
+
+1893
+01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:40,440
+And I think it was the state's
+way of saying,
+
+1894
+01:54:41,730 --> 01:54:45,820
+we're going to give you this money
+and we want you to go away and.
+
+1895
+01:54:49,580 --> 01:54:52,910
+This is my.
+
+1896
+01:54:53,660 --> 01:54:55,710
+True.
+
+1897
+01:54:57,330 --> 01:54:58,540
+Well, she.
+
+1898
+01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,880
+He threw
+
+1899
+01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:06,930
+for nearly 30 years, former Attica
+inmates have waited for justice.
+
+1900
+01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:10,350
+Today, it finally came in the form of a 12
+
+1901
+01:55:10,350 --> 01:55:12,970
+million dollar settlement.
+
+1902
+01:55:14,350 --> 01:55:18,940
+Be. There's no justice.
+
+1903
+01:55:20,860 --> 01:55:22,900
+All we got was money
+
+1904
+01:55:22,900 --> 01:55:25,360
+and money wasn't enough.
+
+1905
+01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,070
+Then you can't justify all the killings
+that happened in Attica.
+
+1906
+01:55:28,700 --> 01:55:30,410
+You can't justify that.
+
+1907
+01:55:30,410 --> 01:55:31,450
+So there's no justice.
+
+1908
+01:55:31,450 --> 01:55:34,000
+There is no justice.
+
+1909
+01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,040
+We shall.
+
+1910
+01:55:40,130 --> 01:55:43,630
+Be. And.
+
+1911
+01:55:47,720 --> 01:55:50,300
+They might.
+
+1912
+01:55:51,470 --> 01:55:53,430
+True.
+
+1913
+01:55:55,060 --> 01:55:57,640
+Well, I'm sure.
+
+1914
+01:55:58,770 --> 01:56:01,980
+Me, too,
+
+1915
+01:56:01,980 --> 01:56:04,530
+do so.
+
+1916
+01:56:10,740 --> 01:56:12,910
+And. Be.
+
+1917
+01:56:21,210 --> 01:56:27,090
+You. Some
+
+1918
+01:56:27,090 --> 01:56:45,860
+foolish. Oh.
+